Anger at USCIS and security

[Ban Hammer 13,465]

All probably true, but I still don't think I am going to get a tax reduction if illegal immigration is stamped out. Call me cynical...

i'll agree to that. however, reducing the red ink by 10 billion a year would allow us to pay on other things like the budget deficit.

or.........................Universal Health Care!

[no name 1]

All probably true, but I still don't think I am going to get a tax reduction if illegal immigration is stamped out. Call me cynical...

i'll agree to that. however, reducing the red ink by 10 billion a year would allow us to pay on other things like the budget deficit.

or.........................Universal Health Care!

Oh you KNOW you agree with me. Stop faking.

[Ban Hammer 13,465]

All probably true, but I still don't think I am going to get a tax reduction if illegal immigration is stamped out. Call me cynical...

i'll agree to that. however, reducing the red ink by 10 billion a year would allow us to pay on other things like the budget deficit.

or.........................Universal Health Care!

Oh you KNOW you agree with me. Stop faking.

do guys have to fake it with you?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

All probably true, but I still don't think I am going to get a tax reduction if illegal immigration is stamped out. Call me cynical...

i'll agree to that. however, reducing the red ink by 10 billion a year would allow us to pay on other things like the budget deficit.

or.........................Universal Health Care!

While I won’t deny that there is economic fallout from illegal immigration, it seems to me that focusing on this one issue to the exclusion of everything else is rather like scraping around for pocket change when you’re blowing fistfuls of cash out the window on a massive coke habit.

For better or worse – the management of our economy has resulted in massive amounts of cash being thrown into a black hole in the ME, massive interest rate cuts and a $ exchange rate that has hit record lows.

[Fandango 1,439]

Cost of illegals to America:

http://immigrationcounters.com/

And I strangely yet wholeheartedly elect Dev the prez of this thread...

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The ‘reason’ we and other countries have those laws is to protect an economic & social status quo - that has little to do with idealistic conceptions of justice and morality.

What I find interesting about this subject is that people seem to think that this is a problem that will go away if we merely enforce a few laws. Essentially what we are talking about it “not in my back yard” and “out of sight, out of mind”. I can understand those sentiments, I can understand the anger at having to pay for a section of the population who shouldn’t be here racking up public charges. However none of it changes the motivations of the people migrating in this way, or indeed the conditions they face that motivate them to do so.

Granted – Mexico isn’t as destitute as a lot of 3rd world countries, but I do wonder whether the huge international outcry over, for example, the famine in Sudan would be as great if it were that country on the US’ doorstep – and if it were that country’s population swarming over the borders.

People seem happy to take principled, humanitarian stances towards countries and problems that are comfortably remote; rather less so when they see the effects up close, or which somehow impact their daily lives in a negative way.

Excellent points.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

This may be a little off the subject, but I think we should all take the opportunity to appreciate the giant pumpkin a$$ in LisaD's signature. Many of us have been amused and horrified in equal measure over the last couple of weeks. And as the sun rises each morning, all things must pass, and this may be our last day to squint at the computer screen and wince.

I must also applaud the robustly built pumpkin lady for her sense of humor. Although she may wish to consider a diet and exercise regimen to avoid later health problems, her ample physique does make for a frighteningly lifelike--and shiny!--pumpkin. I imagine that the photographer was also the artist, so he or she should be applauded as well.

I'm half expecting someone to see it and exclaim, "Holy $#it, that's my [mom, sister, brother on hormone therapy]!"

Happy Hallowe'en, everyone!

Lisa, thank you for the a$$.

~Julie

Edited October 31, 2007 by AOS despair

[Welshcookie 17]

Happy Hallowe'en, everyone!

Lisa, thank you for the a$$.

~Julie

Always good to see the Hallowe'en a$$

[Peikko 1,575]

Looks like one misses much when one doesn't allow siggies.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Looks like one misses much when one doesn't allow siggies.

Yes. The gigantic, shiny pumpkin a$$, for example.

[Fandango 1,439]

Yes, one misses the great pumpkin butt...it's a tradition!

So everyone, kiss the great pumpkin butt goodbye for another year! Not literally, mind you, heh

[Ban Hammer 13,465]

Yes, one misses the great pumpkin butt...it's a tradition!

So everyone, kiss the great pumpkin butt goodbye for another year! Not literally, mind you, heh

awwww

[Fandango 1,439]

meanwhile, what's that thing to the immediate left of the pumpkin scarecrow?

[Alt name 1]

Who is speaking negatively of illegal immigrants? What does Sept 11th have to do with this discussion?

FACT: Today (even after Sept 11th<yawn> um we're talking about an agency that processed and approved Atta's visa AFTER Sept 11th so I wouldnt hold the USCIS to any high standard or even really use the words "security" and "USCIS" in the same sentence unless it's a joke), if i want to recruit a technical employee, i can recruit one and have a visa processed and have that person over here in 8 weeks. The worker petitions have the same form number and are processed at the same service centers that are responsible for taking care of K1/K3 visas. That is a fact, no matter what Reagan passed, Sept 11 changes were made, or any other silly reason that might be brought up here as an explanation or answer. Visa applications for foreign employees are preferentially processed over family applications at the USCIS service centers. That seems just a bit screwed up to me, but hey, that probably makes me some sort of bigot, right?

FACT: Today (even after Sept 11th<yawn> um we're talking about an agency that processed and approved Atta's visa AFTER Sept 11th so I wouldnt hold the USCIS to any high standard or even really use the words "security" and "USCIS" in the same sentence unless it's a joke), if that worker, flies back to his or her home country, gets married, they go to the state department, bypass USCIS, and the Visa for that non-immigrant employee's spouse is processed in a matter of days. Visas for families of foreign workers are processed by the State Department on an expedited schedule and that's a bit screwed up to me (does that make me a bigot also btw?)

Get the point here? This topic was started to comment on priorities only. I'm all about quick processing for everyone (laughing) even "foreign born persons" as long as it isnt preferential processing to coddle businesses over everyone else.

Illegals are easy to find- just go to Home Depot and Lowes.

That's really unnecessary.

Unnecessary maybe but not untrue.

What's the point?

The point was simply that the statement, while maybe unnecessary, was not untrue. I thought that was pretty clear.

Anti-immigrant is anti-immigrant.

Thank you for drawing my attention to the obvious. Red is red. Blue is blue. Now I've got to ask: What's the point?

And yes, I'm just messin' with you.

It feeds the ugliness in mainstream America over immigration, which comes back to bite everybody who immigrates in the butt. Legal or illegal entry.

On this one, however, I do think you're underestimating the capabilities of America and Americans to differentiate.

Maybe. But not a lot.

I'm of the opinion that since most of America doesn't fully comprehend the immigration bereaucracy, they can't understand why so many people go illegal.

I'm also of the opinion that most of America doesn't care if you are a legal or an illegal entrant when it comes to American jobs being 'taken away' by non-citizens.

I really believe that when we who are married to immigrants speak negatively of other foreign born persons, we give off some pretty weird signals.

[Alt name 1]

You, discuss illegal immigration as another topic. This topic was started to discuss various aspects of legal immigration.

Under Reagan, it took 6 weeks to bring your spouse or children here.

And that was how many years prior to September 11, 2001?

And....

In 1986, Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA). The act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants, required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to approximately 3 million illegal immigrants who entered the United States prior to January 1, 1982 and lived there continuously. Critics of the act claim that its laws subjecting employers to sanctions were without teeth and that it failed to stem illegal immigration.[97] Upon signing the act at a ceremony held beside the newly refurbished Statue of Liberty, Reagan said, "The legalization provisions in this act will go far to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows, without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society. Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and, ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans." -- from Wiki

And...

Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA)

"Public Law 99-603 (Act of 11/6/86), which was passed in order to control and deter illegal immigration to the United States. Its major provisions stipulate legalization of undocumented aliens who had been continuously unlawfully present since 1982, legalization of certain agricultural workers, sanctions for employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers, and increased enforcement at U.S. borders." -- from uscis.gov