Anger at USCIS and security

[no name 1]

I do believe you've never been to a third world country if you think that you can just "get a job" that pays enough to live on in Mexico or another place.

Assuming is a bad thing.

[GabachaYucateca 0]

Are you absolutely sure that they drain more resources than they contribute? Or did you just get that info from stats that can be skewed to show that?

[no name 1]

Are you absolutely sure that they drain more resources than they contribute? Or did you just get that info from stats that can be skewed to show that?

12 million illegals in America. You bet they drain resources.

Moreso in Southern Cali where I live.

[Caladan 19]

As far as what most of America thinks - I believe that when you discuss any behavior amongst a category of people negatively, you risk pigeon-holing all of them negatively. I fear that much of the negative chatter in the media about illegal immigrants can lead to public policy that will make life for our spouses legally difficult in this nation.

What?!?

Our spouses are LEGAL, there is no way it will become more difficult for them (we have enough hoops as it is). That makes absolutely NO sense.

Have you read the complaints of people trying to get bank accounts, jobs, and driver's licenses? Increase the hysteria over maybe something will help an illegal, and a lot of that stuff gets even harder for the legal immigrants.

It probably doesn't touch an upper middle class, educated Brit any more than it does an accentless Canadian. Personally, for our specific circumstance I'm not worried. But for a lot of people whose spouses are Hispanic or have an accent, passing draconic laws for employers just means the employers won't take a chance on an immigrant.

Sure have! And how much is about not reading the forms? Lots!

J took in the SSN info that Meauxna used to have in her siggy to the SNN office, no problems. J read about what is needed for a Cali DL & FOLLOWED INSTRUCTIONS. J wrote in his cover letter that he was a legal PR. What is so hard about that?

We had a hiccup at the bank but once he showed legal proof he was here, he was fine.

If an employer chooses to pass over an immigrant, without seeing any proof/lack of proof, then I suggest the potential employee look elsewhere. That's called discrimination.

Next?

Based on some comments here - it bears repeating that it is a PRIVILEGE TO COME LIVE IN AMERICA as an immigrant, NOT A RIGHT. You can go home if it's too hard for you. I would go with J wherever he wanted - just to be together. We chose America, warts & all. In turn, he deals with whatever ####### that brings. It's called life.

stop stop i can't take it any more! i agree with you

God, I'm good.

I guess I'm just not in favor of making more laws when their only effect is to increase discrimination against legal immigrants. We followed the instructions, too, and so have many people, and the DMV hasn't (or the law just doesn't speak to a non-immigrant spousal visa. After all, they're automatically a citizen, right, so this law will only target illegals!)

[no name 1]

I guess I'm just not in favor of making more laws when their only effect is to increase discrimination against legal immigrants. We followed the instructions, too, and so have many people, and the DMV hasn't (or the law just doesn't speak to a non-immigrant spousal visa. After all, they're automatically a citizen, right, so this law will only target illegals!)

How is more laws against illegals affecting legal immigrants?

If your DMV is clueless that doens't mean that laws need to disappear...???

[GabachaYucateca 0]

That's true...I shouldn't assume! So I'll ask a direct question: how much time have you spent talking and interacting with those who are in the types of situations where they have to make a decision about whether to continue living in abject poverty or make decisions that are against the law?

[no name 1]

That's true...I shouldn't assume! So I'll ask a direct question: how much time have you spent talking and interacting with those who are in the types of situations where they have to make a decision about whether to continue living in abject poverty or make decisions that are against the law?

Breaking the law is not acceptable. EVER.

Why did you guys bother to follow the law? You obviously have no regard for it.

[Caladan 19]

That's true...I shouldn't assume! So I'll ask a direct question: how much time have you spent talking and interacting with those who are in the types of situations where they have to make a decision about whether to continue living in abject poverty or make decisions that are against the law?

Breaking the law is not acceptable. EVER.

Why did you guys bother to follow the law? You obviously have no regard for it.

She has regard for it. She followed it. She also has compassion.

[no name 1]

That's true...I shouldn't assume! So I'll ask a direct question: how much time have you spent talking and interacting with those who are in the types of situations where they have to make a decision about whether to continue living in abject poverty or make decisions that are against the law?

Breaking the law is not acceptable. EVER.

Why did you guys bother to follow the law? You obviously have no regard for it.

She has regard for it. She followed it. She also has compassion.

ah, compassion = amnesty/breaking the law. Gotcha!

Let's invite ALL poor illegals to join us here is America, cuz it's compassionate, you know.

Edited October 31, 2007 by devilette

[Caladan 19]

Why Puh-lease about my statement concerning feeding yourself being an immediate need? I do understand that the emotional tone might turn people off, so let me put it another way:

If you are unable to meet your basic survival needs in the jobs that are available to you right now, you do not have decades to wait for your petition to be approved.

so that's supposed to be a good enough reason to go invade another country? from what i've seen about someone crossing the border into the usa, they have to pay someone several thousand dollars for the guide service. surely that several thousand could buy lots of food back home.

Oftentimes the set-up is a loan: it costs $3000 to be guided, and our buddies in the U.S. will make sure you pay once you get a job, and our buddies back home will watch your family to make sure you don't disappear.

Or it's not as nasty, and several families pool their resources to send someone across the border illegally. You know the saying, teach a man to fish and all that? The couple thou can be used immediately, or to get someone a better job so he'll send home money. Like an investment.

[GabachaYucateca 0]

That's a weird argument....there have been plenty of laws that are no longer in effect. Just because it was illegal for woman to vote at one time didn't make it acceptable.

We did it legally because as a USC I had the option to bring my fiance here legally and his coming illegally would have made our lives much more difficult.

I don't know why you're assuming that I have no regard for law. You told me not to assume things about you, and I accepted that as being unfair, and corrected myself. Perhaps you could extend the same courtesy to me and not make assumptions either.

By the way, if you drink or have drunk alcohol in your life (can't assume that you have!), did you EVER drink before you were 21? After all, if you break the law, you obviously have no regard for it!

[Caladan 19]

That's true...I shouldn't assume! So I'll ask a direct question: how much time have you spent talking and interacting with those who are in the types of situations where they have to make a decision about whether to continue living in abject poverty or make decisions that are against the law?

Breaking the law is not acceptable. EVER.

Why did you guys bother to follow the law? You obviously have no regard for it.

She has regard for it. She followed it. She also has compassion.

ah, compassion = amnesty/breaking the law. Gotcha!

Let's invite ALL poor illegals to join us here is America, cuz it's compassionate, you know.

I didn't say that. Compassion = being able to understand that sometimes people do things by circumstances and not by choice. Like you might have when you hear about women in India working as prostitutes to support their families. (Or do you shout LAWBREAKER! at them and Mother Theresa for ministering to them?)

[no name 1]

Compassion = being able to understand that sometimes people do things by circumstances and not by choice. Like you might have when you hear about women in India working as prostitutes to support their families. (Or do you shout LAWBREAKER! at them and Mother Theresa for ministering to them?)

Yet another stretch.

GY says it's ok for her illegal friends to be here because they can't find jobs back home. I say that's a pathetic excuse for breaking the law.

So it's OK for 12 million to be here cuz hey, it's a circumstance. #######?

Edited October 31, 2007 by devilette

[Caladan 19]

Compassion = being able to understand that sometimes people do things by circumstances and not by choice. Like you might have when you hear about women in India working as prostitutes to support their families. (Or do you shout LAWBREAKER! at them and Mother Theresa for ministering to them?)

Yet another stretch.

GY says it's ok for her illegal friends to be here because they can't find jobs back home. I say that's a pathetic excuse for breaking the law.

So it's OK for 12 million to be here cuz hey, it's a circumstance. #######?

How is it a stretch? Prostitution is illegal.

I thought all she was saying that it's not just as simple as 'get a job back home and wait twenty years for a number' (or, in the traditional form "if the peasant have no bread, why do they not eat cake?") because in some circumstances, waiting twenty years means abject poverty. Not that it was okay for 12 million to be here, but more like, they're not all evil corrupted spawn of Satan and that *maybe there should be a viable LEGAL path.*

[no name 1]

How is it a stretch? Prostitution is illegal.

The job is illegal but they are legally living in their country.