Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Iran is years away from having a nuke. Many years. If there's any bombing today or in the near future, it would be for the very same reason we went into Iraq: OIL. Nothing more, nothing less. Thinking about it for a second, oil has more than doubled in price since we went into Iraq. Are you prepared for oil to double in price yet again and have this economy and that of the rest of the world tank over some paranoid suspicion?

Iran is not many years away. They may be months away.

Yeah, just as Saddam was really close to nuking us. Gawd, do you ever learn anything?

And we went to war with oil?

No. We went to war with troops and weapons. For the oil.

Riddle me why we need to bomb Iran but not North Korea. Why?

[Fischkoepfin 1]

What does this have to do with liberals??? Iran is not anywhere close to building a bomb for reasons already mentioned earlier in this thread. It's all over the press (liberal and conservative) and even Israel, a nation that most certainly would feel threatened, stays cool.

[Matt_Stevens 5]

When a country has just enriched uranium, then it is way too close to getting a nuke. Anything else is denail.

And ET, obviously I meant "for", so give me a break.

Edited April 14, 2006 by Matt_Stevens

[Fischkoepfin 1]

It's has produced 3%-enriched uranium which is enough to run a nuclear plan, but for weapons it's not enough by far. It took them several years to get there, so now you think they'll get highly enriched uranium over night. Stop panicking and take a deep breath...

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Iran is years away from having a nuke. Many years. If there's any bombing today or in the near future, it would be for the very same reason we went into Iraq: OIL. Nothing more, nothing less. Thinking about it for a second, oil has more than doubled in price since we went into Iraq. Are you prepared for oil to double in price yet again and have this economy and that of the rest of the world tank over some paranoid suspicion?

Iran is not many years away. They may be months away.

Years away, months away. What does it matter? Even if they were one day away it wouldn't warrant an attack on Iran. Israel isn't worth it.

Iran Could Produce Nuclear Bomb in 16 Days, U.S. Says

April 12 (Bloomberg) -- Iran, defying United Nations Security Council demands to halt its nuclear program, may be capable of making a nuclear bomb within 16 days, a U.S. State Department official said.

Iran will move to ``industrial scale'' uranium enrichment involving 54,000 centrifuges at its Natanz plant, the Associated Press quoted deputy nuclear chief Mohammad Saeedi as telling state-run television today.

``Using those 50,000 centrifuges they could produce enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon in 16 days,'' Stephen Rademaker, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for International Security and Nonproliferation, told reporters today in Moscow.

Rademaker was reacting to a statement by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who said yesterday the country had succeeded in enriching uranium on a small scale for the first time, using 164 centrifuges. That announcement defies demands by the UN Security Council that Iran shut down its nuclear program this month.

The U.S. fears Iran is pursuing a nuclear program to make weapons, while Iran says it is intent on purely civilian purposes, to provide energy. Saeedi said 54,000 centrifuges will be able to enrich uranium to provide fuel for a 1,000-megawat nuclear power plant similar to the one Russia is finishing in southern Iran, AP reported.

``It was a deeply disappointing announcement,'' Rademaker said of Ahmadinejad's statement.

Rademaker said the technology to enrich uranium to a low level could also be used to make weapons-grade uranium, saying that it would take a little over 13 years to produce enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon with the 164 centrifuges currently in use. The process involves placing uranium hexafluoride gas in a series of rotating drums or cylinders known as centrifuges that run at high speeds to extract weapons grade uranium.

Iran has informed the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency that it plans to construct 3,000 centrifuges at Natanz next year, Rademaker said.

``We calculate that a 3,000-machine cascade could produce enough uranium to build a nuclear weapon within 271 days,'' he said.

While the U.S. has concerns over Iran's nuclear program, Rademaker said ``there certainly has been no decision on the part of my government'' to use force if Iran refuses to obey the UN Security Council demand that it shuts down its nuclear program.

Rademaker is in Moscow for a meeting of his counterparts from the Group of Eight wealthy industrialized countries. Russia chairs the G-8 this year.

China is concerned about Iran's decision to accelerate uranium enrichment and wants the government in Tehran to heed international criticism of the move, Wang Guangya, China's ambassador to the United Nations said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=100...4&refer=germany

Americans Wary of Action on Iran

Forty-eight percent said they would support military action against Iran if it continues to produce material that can be used to develop a nuclear bomb, down from 57 percent in January. Forty percent oppose military action, up from 33 percent in January.

A majority -- 54 percent -- said they ``don't trust'' Bush to make the right decision about whether the U.S. should go to war with Iran, compared with 42 percent who said they do trust him.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=100...b4&refer=canada

[nina1 0]

First, i have to say, you all had very interesting points to bring to the table

Nevertheless, i want to add mine..

Slim,

"Why is everyone so psyched-up to bomb Iran?

What did they do?

And why is it OK for only "responsible" nations to have atomic energy?

ask yourself why we haven't bombed North Korea yet.

And if they're going to deploy weapons against Israel... isn't that Israel's business and not ours? Oh wait... Israel IS the US in the Middle East."

Very well said, especially the last sentence!

RCH99,

"Part of the unspoken ongoing reparations of the Holocaust."

Possibly, but still not our business. Let our american soldiers stay alive and let the israeli soldiers die if they feel it necessary, knowing that Iran will fight back till the last drop of blood.

Matt Stevens,

"Iran is the #1 supporter of terrorism so all they would have to do is give one of those groups a Nuke and BAM, mission accomplished"

Where did you get this information? From your CNN? Are you a Jew...Iran will only attack Israel IF israel attacks...

"Meanwhile, Iran believes we will never use nukes on them. They have said this many times, in Arabic, of course. They don't spill their beans in English."

Lemme educate you again my friend. Iran speaks PERSIAN, NOT ARABIC!

ET-US2004,

"No oil in North Korea, slim. No oil at all..."

So we're bombing for oil, not because our president is affraid for his people's SAFETY, correct?

AGENT SMITH,

"That's not enough to warrant getting into a pre-emptive war with another nation. We have lots of friends and partners around the world, are we going to nuke every nation that doesn't look right at any of them?

Or is Israel "special"?

VEry well said! But it IS, a mixture of 2 things, one is oil.. And two is, in my opinion.. USA wants to establish army bases in as many muslim countries as possible so that the retaliation against Israel will never be possible.

One last thing i want to say is did we forget who made the mess in Hiroshima?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

...knowing that Iran will fight back till the last drop of blood.

How do you know this? This is certainly not their record from the Iran-Iraq war.

Are you a Jew...Iran will only attack Israel IF israel attacks...

Asking Matt if he is a Jew is uncalled for. And again, how do you know that Iran won't attack unless Israel attacks first? The recent statements of Ahmadenijad indicate otherwise.

USA wants to establish army bases in as many muslim countries as possible so that the retaliation against Israel will never be possible.

Question for you, so we may ascertain your biases on this matter: Do you believe retaliation against Israel by Muslim countries is necessary?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Iran Could Produce Nuclear Bomb in 16 Days, U.S. Says

That sounds strangely familiar - back in 2003 didn't someone make the claim that Saddam Hussein could deploy WMD within 45 minutes?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Iran Could Produce Nuclear Bomb in 16 Days, U.S. Says

That sounds strangely familiar - back in 2003 didn't someone make the claim that Saddam Hussein could deploy WMD within 45 minutes?

Yeap. They were probably wrong then, who knows if they are now! What's the point of having intelligence agencies if you can't trust their intelligence? The only thing worse than them being wrong all the time is being wrong sometimes.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Iran Could Produce Nuclear Bomb in 16 Days, U.S. Says

That sounds strangely familiar - back in 2003 didn't someone make the claim that Saddam Hussein could deploy WMD within 45 minutes?

Yeap. They were probably wrong then, who knows if they are now! What's the point of having intelligence agencies if you can't trust their intelligence? The only thing worse than them being wrong all the time is being wrong sometimes.

Or being horribly selective with the intelligence to make an alleged threat appear greater than it is.

I don't watch it, but doesn't Fox News still show the 'terrorism alert thingamajig'? It's been elavated for about the last 2 years, but they never justify their reasoning for it. I guess secret intelligence and all that - but surely if you can't disclose the information, what is the purpose of it, except to create fear? - its certainly not to provide any actual concrete information.

Its amazing how deeply terrorism has become rooted in our culture - to the point where we now a weather forecast for terrorists. Its all bollocks.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

... doesn't Fox News still show the 'terrorism alert thingamajig'? It's been elavated for about the last 2 years, but they never justify their reasoning for it. I guess secret intelligence and all that - but surely if you can't disclose the information, what is the purpose of it, except to create fear? - its certainly not to provide any actual concrete information.

I believe the terror alert level comes from DHS. Fox News doesn't set it, nor are they told why it is what it is.

As for the usefulness of the alert levels, I'm not sure it is useful to private citizens like you or me. However, if processes existed in local governments and local law enforcement agencies for each alert level (I doubt they do) then I could see how they might be useful.

[Jenn! 918]

Jen3539, if you don't believe that the Arab world wants to wipe out the Jewish state and kill every Jew they can, then you need to do some reading. This is such a well known absolute undeniable FACT that again, debating it is a waste of time. It's as true as the sky is blue and rain falls from the sky.

Back off bucko. Sorry my got your panties into a twist.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

... doesn't Fox News still show the 'terrorism alert thingamajig'? It's been elavated for about the last 2 years, but they never justify their reasoning for it. I guess secret intelligence and all that - but surely if you can't disclose the information, what is the purpose of it, except to create fear? - its certainly not to provide any actual concrete information.

I believe the terror alert level comes from DHS. Fox News doesn't set it, nor are they told why it is what it is.

As for the usefulness of the alert levels, I'm not sure it is useful to private citizens like you or me. However, if processes existed in local governments and local law enforcement agencies for each alert level (I doubt they do) then I could see how they might be useful.

Granted it might have some use to local agencies - but surely those agencies would get a little more information to enable them to mobilise. But honestly what use is it to the average person? Does an 'Elavated ' terrorist alert mean I should think about taking a day off work, or perhaps driving instead of taking the train.

Without any context or point of reference its simply propaganda.

[Matt_Stevens 5]

Iran Leader: Israel Will Be Annihilated

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/14/D8GVSUC0H.html

Yes, this sounds like a rational man. He should have nukes.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Iran Leader: Israel Will Be Annihilated

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/14/D8GVSUC0H.html

Yes, this sounds like a rational man. He should have nukes.

Should George Bush and ####### Cheney have them?

Hitler wasn't crazy you know - its just easier to think of him that way. It also conveniently dismisses the politics that got him elected. Iran's president is no different - however abhorrent his personal views might be. Not crazy.

Edited April 14, 2006 by Fishdude