What Part of Illegal Don't You Understand?

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

We should eliminate welfare and then we wouldn't have a system for people to abuse. It is the welfare system that has tough people they can get a free ride. If i had to have 3 jobs to feed my family I would do it instead of begging for free food and medical from the government. Except for emergency care noone, including citizens should get a free ride. We are the ones who have enabled women to have several children and get food stamps for them. If we took it all away they would find a way to survive. Maybe the divorce rate would go down if women couldn't get assistance. Maybe child support would be enforced better if they couldn't get assistance. Make people accountable and responsible for their actions and alot of things might change in this country.

The people that are here without the proper documents wouldnt abuse the system if the system didn't allow them to abuse it. We are so worried about taking care of the children because the parents dont want to. Just like a child that doesnt want to do his homework or get up to go to school, or do something you asked him to do, these people need to be disciplined to take care of their children or else take the children away from them. Welfare breeds welfare, do you think the majority of the children growing up in a welfare home will grow up to be productive and contribute to our economy? We take children away from their parents for many reasons, I would say not working to feed them is the worst thing they could ever do.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The piece has no credibility as it seeks to stand on a foundation that doesn't even support itself.

Good thing I am not an illegal immigrant. There is no way out of that trap. It’s the crime you can’t make amends for. Nothing short of deportation will free you from it...

I said it earlier and I will say it again: There is a way out of that trap and it doesn't involve deportation. Just pack and go home. That's all it takes. That's how you make amends for this offense. You simply put it in reverse and you'll be home free.

Edited October 29, 2007 by Mr. Big Dog

[Heracles 417]

We should eliminate welfare and then we wouldn't have a system for people to abuse. It is the welfare system that has tough people they can get a free ride. If i had to have 3 jobs to feed my family I would do it instead of begging for free food and medical from the government. Except for emergency care noone, including citizens should get a free ride. We are the ones who have enabled women to have several children and get food stamps for them. If we took it all away they would find a way to survive. Maybe the divorce rate would go down if women couldn't get assistance. Maybe child support would be enforced better if they couldn't get assistance. Make people accountable and responsible for their actions and alot of things might change in this country.

The people that are here without the proper documents wouldnt abuse the system if the system didn't allow them to abuse it. We are so worried about taking care of the children because the parents dont want to. Just like a child that doesnt want to do his homework or get up to go to school, or do something you asked him to do, these people need to be disciplined to take care of their children or else take the children away from them. Welfare breeds welfare, do you think the majority of the children growing up in a welfare home will grow up to be productive and contribute to our economy? We take children away from their parents for many reasons, I would say not working to feed them is the worst thing they could ever do.

Something many fail to understand and comprehend. Everyone has the 'RIGHT' to be a moron but then also seem to have a get-out-of-jail-free card when the choices they made have negative consequences.

[SteveLaura 0]

The piece has no credibility as it seeks to stand on a foundation that doesn't even support itself.

Good thing I am not an illegal immigrant. There is no way out of that trap. It’s the crime you can’t make amends for. Nothing short of deportation will free you from it...

I said it earlier and I will say it again: There is a way out of that trap and it doesn't involve deportation. Just pack and go home. That's all it takes. That's how you make amends for this offense. You simply put it in reverse and you'll be home free.

Some people have been here for years. They have family here. Friends here. Work here. It's easy to say, "Go home." But 'home' is here.

[Heracles 417]

Why aren't you up in arms about the "loophole" that exists for people who have overstayed, who can adjust their status? Are they somehow different?

In a way yes (they came here legally) and in a way no (they're here unlawfully). And then in a very major way yes: There ain't 12-20 million of them costing the taxpayer north of 10 billion a year, bringing public health systems crushing down and accelerating the erosion of the American wage and work condition structure. A janitor used to be able to earn a living in this country, you know?

Funny how the pro-amnesty supporters seem to be all quiet on the western front on these issues.

"The 'criminal aliens' are people to". What about the 45,000,000 million Americans living in poverty hey..

[natty bumppo 297]

The piece has no credibility as it seeks to stand on a foundation that doesn't even support itself.

Good thing I am not an illegal immigrant. There is no way out of that trap. It’s the crime you can’t make amends for. Nothing short of deportation will free you from it...

I said it earlier and I will say it again: There is a way out of that trap and it doesn't involve deportation. Just pack and go home. That's all it takes. That's how you make amends for this offense. You simply put it in reverse and you'll be home free.

Some people have been here for years. They have family here. Friends here. Work here. It's easy to say, "Go home." But 'home' is here.

Their LEGAL residence is NOT here. ... it is somewhere other than here .... and that is where they belong.

[Heracles 417]

Some people have been here for years. They have family here. Friends here. Work here. It's easy to say, "Go home." But 'home' is here.

Some murderers are yet to be caught. Does this mean we should let them off if they have not been caught after x years. The law is the law.

Nobody should be allowed to stay in a nation who has no respect for a nation's sovereignty, laws or its citizens..

Edited October 29, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[SteveLaura 0]

Some murderers are yet to be caught. Does this mean we should let them off if they have not been caught after x years. The law is the law.

Nobody should be allowed to stay in a nation who has no respect for a nation's sovereignty, laws or its citizens..

Stretching the argument a tad, I would say. Violent criminals need to be locked up and justice seen to be served. I don't think anyone would argue against that. Could justice still be seen to have been served by a fine for illegal immigrants? If not, why not?

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

The piece has no credibility as it seeks to stand on a foundation that doesn't even support itself.

Good thing I am not an illegal immigrant. There is no way out of that trap. It’s the crime you can’t make amends for. Nothing short of deportation will free you from it...

I said it earlier and I will say it again: There is a way out of that trap and it doesn't involve deportation. Just pack and go home. That's all it takes. That's how you make amends for this offense. You simply put it in reverse and you'll be home free.

Some people have been here for years. They have family here. Friends here. Work here. It's easy to say, "Go home." But 'home' is here.

still not a good reason. all that above means is they've dodged the system for a long enough time.

[Fandango 1,439]

Some murderers are yet to be caught. Does this mean we should let them off if they have not been caught after x years. The law is the law.

Nobody should be allowed to stay in a nation who has no respect for a nation's sovereignty, laws or its citizens..

Stretching the argument a tad, I would say. Violent criminals need to be locked up and justice seen to be served. I don't think anyone would argue against that. Could justice still be seen to have been served by a fine for illegal immigrants? If not, why not?

Well, hell, if it's only a fine and a slap on the wrist, I'mma tell D to book his flight now....save all this 'legal way' bollocks.

[SteveLaura 0]

Some murderers are yet to be caught. Does this mean we should let them off if they have not been caught after x years. The law is the law.

Nobody should be allowed to stay in a nation who has no respect for a nation's sovereignty, laws or its citizens..

Stretching the argument a tad, I would say. Violent criminals need to be locked up and justice seen to be served. I don't think anyone would argue against that. Could justice still be seen to have been served by a fine for illegal immigrants? If not, why not?

Well, hell, if it's only a fine and a slap on the wrist, I'mma tell D to book his flight now....save all this 'legal way' bollocks.

If the 'legal way' involved a guest worker program, would you be in favour of it?

[Fandango 1,439]

Some murderers are yet to be caught. Does this mean we should let them off if they have not been caught after x years. The law is the law.

Nobody should be allowed to stay in a nation who has no respect for a nation's sovereignty, laws or its citizens..

Stretching the argument a tad, I would say. Violent criminals need to be locked up and justice seen to be served. I don't think anyone would argue against that. Could justice still be seen to have been served by a fine for illegal immigrants? If not, why not?

Well, hell, if it's only a fine and a slap on the wrist, I'mma tell D to book his flight now....save all this 'legal way' bollocks.

If the 'legal way' involved a guest worker program, would you be in favour of it?

Not for those already here illegally....no

[SteveLaura 0]

OK. But rounding up and deporting people isn't practical, cost-effective or, I would argue, justifiable in all cases. The punishment just doesn't fit the crime. Like it or not, illegal immigration is a result of poor management - or the border & firms who hire them. Closing both loopholes is a good start. A guest worker program makes sense. And for those already here, unfortunately that's a problem we just have to swallow, I'd suggest.

I had the opportunity to come here illegally. Who didn't? I could have overstayed my 3mth visit. I chose not to because the reasons I wanted to come here differed wildly from those crossing the border. I could wait. I could afford the costs. I had a visa option to utilise. No, it doesn't justify immigrants coming here illegally anyway. And justice still needs to be seen to be done, so that those of us who are paying fees and filling forms (albeit in different situations) don't feel duped. So, yes, a fine is reasonable. It's a punishment used for other instances where a law is broken. I fail to see why this shouldn't be one of them.

[Fandango 1,439]

OK. But rounding up and deporting people isn't practical, cost-effective or, I would argue, justifiable in all cases. The punishment just doesn't fit the crime. Like it or not, illegal immigration is a result of poor management - or the border & firms who hire them. Closing both loopholes is a good start. A guest worker program makes sense. And for those already here, unfortunately that's a problem we just have to swallow, I'd suggest.

I had the opportunity to come here illegally. Who didn't? I could have overstayed my 3mth visit. I chose not to because the reasons I wanted to come here differed wildly from those crossing the border. I could wait. I could afford the costs. I had a visa option to utilise. No, it doesn't justify immigrants coming here illegally anyway. And justice still needs to be seen to be done, so that those of us who are paying fees and filling forms (albeit in different situations) don't feel duped. So, yes, a fine is reasonable. It's a punishment used for other instances where a law is broken. I fail to see why this shouldn't be one of them.

I understand it's an impractical solution to round up every illegal and send him/her home, but at the end of the day, there should be no reward for breaking the law.

[LaL 418]

OK. But rounding up and deporting people isn't practical, cost-effective or, I would argue, justifiable in all cases. The punishment just doesn't fit the crime. Like it or not, illegal immigration is a result of poor management - or the border & firms who hire them. Closing both loopholes is a good start. A guest worker program makes sense. And for those already here, unfortunately that's a problem we just have to swallow, I'd suggest.

I had the opportunity to come here illegally. Who didn't? I could have overstayed my 3mth visit. I chose not to because the reasons I wanted to come here differed wildly from those crossing the border. I could wait. I could afford the costs. I had a visa option to utilise. No, it doesn't justify immigrants coming here illegally anyway. And justice still needs to be seen to be done, so that those of us who are paying fees and filling forms (albeit in different situations) don't feel duped. So, yes, a fine is reasonable. It's a punishment used for other instances where a law is broken. I fail to see why this shouldn't be one of them.