What Part of Illegal Don't You Understand?

[AmericanGentleman 0]

ah, first tactic - discount the source of the info. that's a well known ploy around here.

next up we see something to the effect of it is not that big a deal, only 1.8 million people! outsourcing is a greater evil and therefore these 1.8 million are not important.

we are not talking about usc high school grads, are we? while you may dislike what the link contains, that's your problem and not mine.

What are you talking about? I did not discount the source. I merely highlighted the parts you are ignoring. When something says "research SUGGEST", then it is non conclusive and should not be considered a fact.

If you are going to claim illegals are responsible for taking jobs away from Americans then it is only fair to include EVERYTHING that is taking jobs away from americans. To NOT do so is called "Cherry Picking your facts"...I am sure I do not need to explain that further.

And finally, if your going to use the fact that uneducated people are a burden on society, then do so honestly and say just that. To say uneducated illegals are a burden is no different than saying uneducated blacks are a burden. Your spinning the fact to suggest it is the social group that is the burden rather than the fact that it is the uneducation of them that is the burden.

In short, I agree that uneducated illegal aliens are a burden. My question to you is would US Citizenship make that person any less of a burden...the answer is no.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

ah, first tactic - discount the source of the info. that's a well known ploy around here.

next up we see something to the effect of it is not that big a deal, only 1.8 million people! outsourcing is a greater evil and therefore these 1.8 million are not important.

we are not talking about usc high school grads, are we? while you may dislike what the link contains, that's your problem and not mine.

What are you talking about? I did not discount the source. I merely highlighted the parts you are ignoring. When something says "research SUGGEST", then it is non conclusive and should not be considered a fact.

If you are going to claim illegals are responsible for taking jobs away from Americans then it is only fair to include EVERYTHING that is taking jobs away from americans. To NOT do so is called "Cherry Picking your facts"...I am sure I do not need to explain that further.

And finally, if your going to use the fact that uneducated people are a burden on society, then do so honestly and say just that. To say uneducated illegals are a burden is no different than saying uneducated blacks are a burden. Your spinning the fact to suggest it is the social group that is the burden rather than the fact that it is the uneducation of them that is the burden.

In short, I agree that uneducated illegal aliens are a burden. My question to you is would US Citizenship make that person any less of a burden...the answer is no.

so while usc's may impose a burden on fellow taxpayers, what right do illegals have to impose that burden?

[AmericanGentleman 0]

dude, put the pom poms away. you can sit here and promote & rationalize breaking the laws of this nation all day (1 of the best things about this country is free speech). but, please don't forget these low skilled Americans w/o high school educations that you are so ready to sweep under the rug are Americans! & deserve the jobs the illegals are taking from them..no they should not have to compete w/ illegals to feed & support their families. and the outsourcing you claim is the reason for the wage drop of blue collar/ construction jobs is complete horsesh!t!! outsourceing has zero, nadda, zip, nothing to do w/ the wages & job loss of the construction & service industies inside the US.

LOL thanks I needed this laugh!!! Americans deserve those jobs eh? Please tell me you used that line on a job interviews.

"Why should I hire you?"

"Becuase I am American and deserve this job"

ROTFLMAO !!!!

But you go on believing that outsourcing does not affect American wages... OMG that is so funny LOL !!!!

[SMOKE 1,426]

dude, put the pom poms away. you can sit here and promote & rationalize breaking the laws of this nation all day (1 of the best things about this country is free speech). but, please don't forget these low skilled Americans w/o high school educations that you are so ready to sweep under the rug are Americans! & deserve the jobs the illegals are taking from them..no they should not have to compete w/ illegals to feed & support their families. and the outsourcing you claim is the reason for the wage drop of blue collar/ construction jobs is complete horsesh!t!! outsourceing has zero, nadda, zip, nothing to do w/ the wages & job loss of the construction & service industies inside the US.

LOL thanks I needed this laugh!!! Americans deserve those jobs eh? Please tell me you used that line on a job interviews.

"Why should I hire you?"

"Becuase I am American and deserve this job"

ROTFLMAO !!!!

But you go on believing that outsourcing does not affect American wages... OMG that is so funny LOL !!!!

"I am American and deserve this job & the opportunity to provide for myself & my family" is not any worse than "i'm illegal & i will do it cheaper, you don't have to give me medical insurance, pay workers comp. insurance, or even pay the employer part of the taxes if you hire me" & you wanna talk about "cherry pickin" and no outsourcing does not effect construction & service industry jobs inside the US

Edited October 30, 2007 by tapout

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

dude, put the pom poms away. you can sit here and promote & rationalize breaking the laws of this nation all day (1 of the best things about this country is free speech). but, please don't forget these low skilled Americans w/o high school educations that you are so ready to sweep under the rug are Americans! & deserve the jobs the illegals are taking from them..no they should not have to compete w/ illegals to feed & support their families. and the outsourcing you claim is the reason for the wage drop of blue collar/ construction jobs is complete horsesh!t!! outsourceing has zero, nadda, zip, nothing to do w/ the wages & job loss of the construction & service industies inside the US.

LOL thanks I needed this laugh!!! Americans deserve those jobs eh? Please tell me you used that line on a job interviews.

"Why should I hire you?"

"Becuase I am American and deserve this job"

ROTFLMAO !!!!

But you go on believing that outsourcing does not affect American wages... OMG that is so funny LOL !!!!

"I am American and deserve this job & the opportunity to provide for myself & my family" is not any worse than "i'm illegal & i will do it cheaper, you don't have to give me medical insurance, pay workers comp. insurance, or even pay the employer part of the taxes if you hire me" & you wanna talk about "cherry pickin" and no outsourcing does not effect construction & service industry jobs inside the US

and hiring a usc today will keep ice away...........

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

More misinformation. You do not need a SS# to pay taxes. Ther IRS has issued almost 7 million Tax ID Numbers that allow workers to pay taxes. SEVEN MILLION. Now when you take the 20 million illegals and subtract out the children and stay home moms, that is almost approaching the same percent of legal taxpayers per household.

As you said ....

You are making a huge assumption with illegals obtaining an ITIN and these 7 million are all illegals working in the US... good greif.

Yep. This household has been issued an ITIN.

And there's no illegal to be found here.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

More misinformation. You do not need a SS# to pay taxes. Ther IRS has issued almost 7 million Tax ID Numbers that allow workers to pay taxes. SEVEN MILLION. Now when you take the 20 million illegals and subtract out the children and stay home moms, that is almost approaching the same percent of legal taxpayers per household.

As you said ....

You are making a huge assumption with illegals obtaining an ITIN and these 7 million are all illegals working in the US... good greif.

Yep. This household has been issued an ITIN.

And there's no illegal to be found here.

which reminds me, i should get an itin for my two illegals.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...ic=77639&hl

[AmericanGentleman 0]

so while usc's may impose a burden on fellow taxpayers, what right do illegals have to impose that burden?

Neither a USC or an Illegal Alien has a "right" to impose a burden. As I stated before, just because someone is illegal , it does not make them any more of a burden than a legal person of low education. Do you really not understand the concept that no matter who is mucking out toilets in a hotel, US citizen or illegal alien, that person is going to, in all likelyhood, be a burden on the system?

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

so while usc's may impose a burden on fellow taxpayers, what right do illegals have to impose that burden?

Neither a USC or an Illegal Alien has a "right" to impose a burden. As I stated before, just because someone is illegal , it does not make them any more of a burden than a legal person of low education. Do you really not understand the concept that no matter who is mucking out toilets in a hotel, US citizen or illegal alien, that person is going to, in all likelyhood, be a burden on the system?

actually, the usc has a right by citizenship whereas the illegal does not. the usa isn't the world's rich uncle.

[AmericanGentleman 0]

outsourcing does not effect construction & service industry jobs inside the US

Who said it did? All I said is when youm are goign to claim you have to go on welfare because there are no low paying jobs, dont place ALL the blame on illegals, place it where it belongs, on our government outsourcing the majority of our low paying jobs.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

outsourcing does not effect construction & service industry jobs inside the US

Who said it did? All I said is when youm are goign to claim you have to go on welfare because there are no low paying jobs, dont place ALL the blame on illegals, place it where it belongs, on our government outsourcing the majority of our low paying jobs.

is it the government or big business? i'm confused there.

[AmericanGentleman 0]

outsourcing does not effect construction & service industry jobs inside the US

Who said it did? All I said is when youm are goign to claim you have to go on welfare because there are no low paying jobs, dont place ALL the blame on illegals, place it where it belongs, on our government outsourcing the majority of our low paying jobs.

is it the government or big business? i'm confused there.

There is a difference?

[NavarreMan 10]

so while usc's may impose a burden on fellow taxpayers, what right do illegals have to impose that burden?

Neither a USC or an Illegal Alien has a "right" to impose a burden. As I stated before, just because someone is illegal , it does not make them any more of a burden than a legal person of low education. Do you really not understand the concept that no matter who is mucking out toilets in a hotel, US citizen or illegal alien, that person is going to, in all likelyhood, be a burden on the system?

Nothing you could ever say from this point on will erase the elitist, bigoted remark you just made.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

outsourcing does not effect construction & service industry jobs inside the US

Who said it did? All I said is when youm are goign to claim you have to go on welfare because there are no low paying jobs, dont place ALL the blame on illegals, place it where it belongs, on our government outsourcing the majority of our low paying jobs.

is it the government or big business? i'm confused there.

There is a difference?

uh, yeah!

[AmericanGentleman 0]

so while usc's may impose a burden on fellow taxpayers, what right do illegals have to impose that burden?

Neither a USC or an Illegal Alien has a "right" to impose a burden. As I stated before, just because someone is illegal , it does not make them any more of a burden than a legal person of low education. Do you really not understand the concept that no matter who is mucking out toilets in a hotel, US citizen or illegal alien, that person is going to, in all likelyhood, be a burden on the system?

actually, the usc has a right by citizenship whereas the illegal does not. the usa isn't the world's rich uncle.

Ok, fine...a USC has a right to be a burden and an illegal does not have a right to be one. Now back to the point. Since you refuse to acknowledge that USC of low income are an equal burden, then lets solve the problem. Give the illegal low income worker citizenship and he/she will no longer be a burden.....that is your logic not mine.