Obtaining Chinese Police Record...

[jackielibera 0]

Im in the same situation as you.We end up in a roadblock trying to get this Chinese police clearance certificate requested by the Canadian embassy in Manila.My wife taught as an ESL teacher in Jilin City in Northern China for 6 months and she found out that she only have a L and not working visa . Her recruiter withheld her passport as a ransome and once she got a hand on her passport I flew to China and took her away and sent her back to the Philippines.She was one of the victim of illegal recruiting of teachers in the Philippines.I did the same thing what you did contacted the Chinese embassy which is pretty useless and the Canadian embassy advice us to contact any of her friends to do it on her behalf and lucky enough we track down one of her co teacher to do the job.Well ,we thought we solve the problem.We send her all the documents of my wife to her to present it to the Police Station and Notary public office.My wife co teacher has to bring a translator because nobody speaks english in these offices.Yes its the same answer they dont give police certificate clearance to L and F visa and wont even make a written statement or explanation at least I can show it to the visa officer in the Canadian embassy.It is really frustrating.As for now my wife application is still pending for almost 10 months now because of this request.Were still trying to figure out how to pass this stage.Let me know how's your wife application is doing and I will let you know if some information comes up.

Good luck

I have the solution to this problem now.

I will paste the details I posted somewhere else.

"For future reference, I know exactly how to handle this situation now.

Anyone who runs into this hurdle in any country should be able to follow this same procedure.

I contacted by email the US Department of State located in China, explaining the exact details of the situation--including where she worked and the dates she did, etc.

They responded the same day with the private email address of the American Citizen Services of China, and when I gave them the same email I sent before, they responded immediately with the answer, in writing, in the email, from the U.S. Consulate in China by a Chief Immigration Officer.

It stated specifically that what was written on the reciprocity table on the U.S. department of state's website was still accurate and verified with local authorities.

Next step is to send an email the US Consulate of Manila and explain what steps you've taken so far and ask them what further action they'd have you to take--this shows you're making an effort on your end.

They will send a letter to your fiancee with her Packet 4 that states exactly what to do next.

They will inform her to get a copy of the letter you received from the Chief Immigration Officer, and take it to that country's Embassy in the Philippines, then get it verified, authenticated and notarized by that embassy's official, and then make a copy of the reciprocity table portion dealing with the issue also, and bring that to the interview along with your other evidence.

So in the end, what you need is:

1) Authenticated, notarized and signed letter verifying the email the American Citizen Services Official sends you. The Embassy stated that this MUST be done by the Chinese Embassy of the Philippines by Mr. Wang. This will vary per country, obviously.

2) A copy of the reciprocity table website portion that states exactly what they verified with you in writing with the local police officials.

3) A verbal explanation to the Immigration Officer that interviews you that you made the attempt to obtain the Police Certificate, but the above evidence is all that was obtainable.

This officer should make a note on your form, and it should no longer be an issue.

In the end, the REASON certain Visa classes are not eligible for Police Records is because some Businesses do not handle Visa's correctly and do what's known as "same-day" stamping of the passport--even though the worker lives in the country far more than one day.

This is an attempt to save money on taxes and other fees, and to relieve them of liabilities they'd otherwise obtain if they were to correctly stamp the workers' passports. China is very notorious for this scandal.

As a result, they will not release Police Certificates for certain Multiple Business Visa classes or under certain timeframes depending on the country's inner ethic.

Hope this helps others that get caught in the rut we were in!"

[jackielibera 0]

Im in the same situation as you.We end up in a roadblock trying to get this Chinese police clearance certificate requested by the Canadian embassy in Manila.My wife taught as an ESL teacher in Jilin City in Northern China for 6 months and she found out that she only have a L and not working visa . Her recruiter withheld her passport as a ransome and once she got a hand on her passport I flew to China and took her away and sent her back to the Philippines.She was one of the victim of illegal recruiting of teachers in the Philippines.I did the same thing what you did contacted the Chinese embassy which is pretty useless and the Canadian embassy advice us to contact any of her friends to do it on her behalf and lucky enough we track down one of her co teacher to do the job.Well ,we thought we solve the problem.We send her all the documents of my wife to her to present it to the Police Station and Notary public office.My wife co teacher has to bring a translator because nobody speaks english in these offices.Yes its the same answer they dont give police certificate clearance to L and F visa and wont even make a written statement or explanation at least I can show it to the visa officer in the Canadian embassy.It is really frustrating.As for now my wife application is still pending for almost 10 months now because of this request.Were still trying to figure out how to pass this stage.Let me know how's your wife application is doing and I will let you know if some information comes up.

Good luck

I have the solution to this problem now.

I will paste the details I posted somewhere else.

"For future reference, I know exactly how to handle this situation now.

Anyone who runs into this hurdle in any country should be able to follow this same procedure.

I contacted by email the US Department of State located in China, explaining the exact details of the situation--including where she worked and the dates she did, etc.

They responded the same day with the private email address of the American Citizen Services of China, and when I gave them the same email I sent before, they responded immediately with the answer, in writing, in the email, from the U.S. Consulate in China by a Chief Immigration Officer.

It stated specifically that what was written on the reciprocity table on the U.S. department of state's website was still accurate and verified with local authorities.

Next step is to send an email the US Consulate of Manila and explain what steps you've taken so far and ask them what further action they'd have you to take--this shows you're making an effort on your end.

They will send a letter to your fiancee with her Packet 4 that states exactly what to do next.

They will inform her to get a copy of the letter you received from the Chief Immigration Officer, and take it to that country's Embassy in the Philippines, then get it verified, authenticated and notarized by that embassy's official, and then make a copy of the reciprocity table portion dealing with the issue also, and bring that to the interview along with your other evidence.

So in the end, what you need is:

1) Authenticated, notarized and signed letter verifying the email the American Citizen Services Official sends you. The Embassy stated that this MUST be done by the Chinese Embassy of the Philippines by Mr. Wang. This will vary per country, obviously.

2) A copy of the reciprocity table website portion that states exactly what they verified with you in writing with the local police officials.

3) A verbal explanation to the Immigration Officer that interviews you that you made the attempt to obtain the Police Certificate, but the above evidence is all that was obtainable.

This officer should make a note on your form, and it should no longer be an issue.

In the end, the REASON certain Visa classes are not eligible for Police Records is because some Businesses do not handle Visa's correctly and do what's known as "same-day" stamping of the passport--even though the worker lives in the country far more than one day.

This is an attempt to save money on taxes and other fees, and to relieve them of liabilities they'd otherwise obtain if they were to correctly stamp the workers' passports. China is very notorious for this scandal.

As a result, they will not release Police Certificates for certain Multiple Business Visa classes or under certain timeframes depending on the country's inner ethic.

Hope this helps others that get caught in the rut we were in!"

Im in the same situation as you.We end up in a roadblock trying to get this Chinese police clearance certificate requested by the Canadian embassy in Manila.My wife taught as an ESL teacher in Jilin City in Northern China for 6 months and she found out that she only have a L and not working visa . Her recruiter withheld her passport as a ransome and once she got a hand on her passport I flew to China and took her away and sent her back to the Philippines.She was one of the victim of illegal recruiting of teachers in the Philippines.I did the same thing what you did contacted the Chinese embassy which is pretty useless and the Canadian embassy advice us to contact any of her friends to do it on her behalf and lucky enough we track down one of her co teacher to do the job.Well ,we thought we solve the problem.We send her all the documents of my wife to her to present it to the Police Station and Notary public office.My wife co teacher has to bring a translator because nobody speaks english in these offices.Yes its the same answer they dont give police certificate clearance to L and F visa and wont even make a written statement or explanation at least I can show it to the visa officer in the Canadian embassy.It is really frustrating.As for now my wife application is still pending for almost 10 months now because of this request.Were still trying to figure out how to pass this stage.Let me know how's your wife application is doing and I will let you know if some information comes up.

Good luck

I have the solution to this problem now.

I will paste the details I posted somewhere else.

"For future reference, I know exactly how to handle this situation now.

Anyone who runs into this hurdle in any country should be able to follow this same procedure.

I contacted by email the US Department of State located in China, explaining the exact details of the situation--including where she worked and the dates she did, etc.

They responded the same day with the private email address of the American Citizen Services of China, and when I gave them the same email I sent before, they responded immediately with the answer, in writing, in the email, from the U.S. Consulate in China by a Chief Immigration Officer.

It stated specifically that what was written on the reciprocity table on the U.S. department of state's website was still accurate and verified with local authorities.

Next step is to send an email the US Consulate of Manila and explain what steps you've taken so far and ask them what further action they'd have you to take--this shows you're making an effort on your end.

They will send a letter to your fiancee with her Packet 4 that states exactly what to do next.

They will inform her to get a copy of the letter you received from the Chief Immigration Officer, and take it to that country's Embassy in the Philippines, then get it verified, authenticated and notarized by that embassy's official, and then make a copy of the reciprocity table portion dealing with the issue also, and bring that to the interview along with your other evidence.

So in the end, what you need is:

1) Authenticated, notarized and signed letter verifying the email the American Citizen Services Official sends you. The Embassy stated that this MUST be done by the Chinese Embassy of the Philippines by Mr. Wang. This will vary per country, obviously.

2) A copy of the reciprocity table website portion that states exactly what they verified with you in writing with the local police officials.

3) A verbal explanation to the Immigration Officer that interviews you that you made the attempt to obtain the Police Certificate, but the above evidence is all that was obtainable.

This officer should make a note on your form, and it should no longer be an issue.

In the end, the REASON certain Visa classes are not eligible for Police Records is because some Businesses do not handle Visa's correctly and do what's known as "same-day" stamping of the passport--even though the worker lives in the country far more than one day.

This is an attempt to save money on taxes and other fees, and to relieve them of liabilities they'd otherwise obtain if they were to correctly stamp the workers' passports. China is very notorious for this scandal.

As a result, they will not release Police Certificates for certain Multiple Business Visa classes or under certain timeframes depending on the country's inner ethic.

Hope this helps others that get caught in the rut we were in!"

[jackielibera 0]

Im in the same situation as you.We end up in a roadblock trying to get this Chinese police clearance certificate requested by the Canadian embassy in Manila.My wife taught as an ESL teacher in Jilin City in Northern China for 6 months and she found out that she only have a L and not working visa . Her recruiter withheld her passport as a ransome and once she got a hand on her passport I flew to China and took her away and sent her back to the Philippines.She was one of the victim of illegal recruiting of teachers in the Philippines.I did the same thing what you did contacted the Chinese embassy which is pretty useless and the Canadian embassy advice us to contact any of her friends to do it on her behalf and lucky enough we track down one of her co teacher to do the job.Well ,we thought we solve the problem.We send her all the documents of my wife to her to present it to the Police Station and Notary public office.My wife co teacher has to bring a translator because nobody speaks english in these offices.Yes its the same answer they dont give police certificate clearance to L and F visa and wont even make a written statement or explanation at least I can show it to the visa officer in the Canadian embassy.It is really frustrating.As for now my wife application is still pending for almost 10 months now because of this request.Were still trying to figure out how to pass this stage.Let me know how's your wife application is doing and I will let you know if some information comes up.

Good luck

I have the solution to this problem now.

I will paste the details I posted somewhere else.

"For future reference, I know exactly how to handle this situation now.

Anyone who runs into this hurdle in any country should be able to follow this same procedure.

I contacted by email the US Department of State located in China, explaining the exact details of the situation--including where she worked and the dates she did, etc.

They responded the same day with the private email address of the American Citizen Services of China, and when I gave them the same email I sent before, they responded immediately with the answer, in writing, in the email, from the U.S. Consulate in China by a Chief Immigration Officer.

It stated specifically that what was written on the reciprocity table on the U.S. department of state's website was still accurate and verified with local authorities.

Next step is to send an email the US Consulate of Manila and explain what steps you've taken so far and ask them what further action they'd have you to take--this shows you're making an effort on your end.

They will send a letter to your fiancee with her Packet 4 that states exactly what to do next.

They will inform her to get a copy of the letter you received from the Chief Immigration Officer, and take it to that country's Embassy in the Philippines, then get it verified, authenticated and notarized by that embassy's official, and then make a copy of the reciprocity table portion dealing with the issue also, and bring that to the interview along with your other evidence.

So in the end, what you need is:

1) Authenticated, notarized and signed letter verifying the email the American Citizen Services Official sends you. The Embassy stated that this MUST be done by the Chinese Embassy of the Philippines by Mr. Wang. This will vary per country, obviously.

2) A copy of the reciprocity table website portion that states exactly what they verified with you in writing with the local police officials.

3) A verbal explanation to the Immigration Officer that interviews you that you made the attempt to obtain the Police Certificate, but the above evidence is all that was obtainable.

This officer should make a note on your form, and it should no longer be an issue.

In the end, the REASON certain Visa classes are not eligible for Police Records is because some Businesses do not handle Visa's correctly and do what's known as "same-day" stamping of the passport--even though the worker lives in the country far more than one day.

This is an attempt to save money on taxes and other fees, and to relieve them of liabilities they'd otherwise obtain if they were to correctly stamp the workers' passports. China is very notorious for this scandal.

As a result, they will not release Police Certificates for certain Multiple Business Visa classes or under certain timeframes depending on the country's inner ethic.

Hope this helps others that get caught in the rut we were in!"

Hi Adam and Arlyn,

Thanks for the useful information in regards to obtaining police record from China. My name is Clement Yang. I am Jackie's fiancee in the US. I took your advice and try to contact the US citizen service in Beijing. I contacted them on March 9, 2008. After waiting a week, I received no reply from them. Yesterday, I send in a second request. Being we need this information soon, I emailed every US consult personnel in Guangzhou. 7 in all including the Consult General. In desperation, I even called and spoke to the Public affair chief. It was very differcult getting someone to talk to me as I was unable to escape the automated phone system and the Chinese staff was very uncooperative. I finally spoke to a Ms. Zotter in GZ. She inform me that she could not help me but refer me to a Ms. Gelner. I email her also. The long and short of the story is everyone told me to fill out this form that is only meant for K-1 Visa question for marrying someone in China which is not what I am doing. I filled out the form anyway using a non existing case number. I am still not able to get anyone to respond to me with a letter to help our situation. If you would be kind enough, could you give me the email address of the Chief Immigration Officer so that I can email him or her for assistance? Thank you in advance. I am glad to see you too so happy. We hope to be in the same situation soon. Thanks. Clement

[jackielibera 0]

Hi Adam and Arlyn,

Thanks for the useful information in regards to obtaining police record from China. My name is Clement Yang. I am Jackie's fiancee in the US. I took your advice and try to contact the US citizen service in Beijing. I contacted them on March 9, 2008. After waiting a week, I received no reply from them. Yesterday, I send in a second request. Being we need this information soon, I emailed every US consult personnel in Guangzhou. 7 in all including the Consult General. In desperation, I even called and spoke to the Public affair chief. It was very differcult getting someone to talk to me as I was unable to escape the automated phone system and the Chinese staff was very uncooperative. I finally spoke to a Ms. Zotter in GZ. She inform me that she could not help me but refer me to a Ms. Gelner. I email her also. The long and short of the story is everyone told me to fill out this form that is only meant for K-1 Visa question for marrying someone in China which is not what I am doing. I filled out the form anyway using a non existing case number. I am still not able to get anyone to respond to me with a letter to help our situation. If you would be kind enough, could you give me the email address of the Chief Immigration Officer so that I can email him or her for assistance? Thank you in advance. I am glad to see you two so happy. We hope to be in the same situation soon. Thanks. Clement

[Rob & Jin 0]

Despite what that says, I'd go ahead and pursue the no crime report. If they can't provide it, they will likely give you some letter or notice that states so.

You should make every effort to obtain it, but if it is impossible, present strong evidence that you made every effort. Start documenting your attempts to get the no-crime report, including printing the regulations you found stating F visa is not included.

To work legally in China you need a J-1,x,or Z-visa, then you register with the nearest/local police station. However if you did not register with the police or worked illegally the police wont have you on record and/or be able to issue you a police paper to take to the notary.

Hope you work it out

Edited March 25, 2008 by Rob & Jin

[Stibnite 0]

Hi Adam and Arlyn,

Thanks for the useful information in regards to obtaining police record from China. My name is Clement Yang. I am Jackie's fiancee in the US. I took your advice and try to contact the US citizen service in Beijing. I contacted them on March 9, 2008. After waiting a week, I received no reply from them. Yesterday, I send in a second request. Being we need this information soon, I emailed every US consult personnel in Guangzhou. 7 in all including the Consult General. In desperation, I even called and spoke to the Public affair chief. It was very differcult getting someone to talk to me as I was unable to escape the automated phone system and the Chinese staff was very uncooperative. I finally spoke to a Ms. Zotter in GZ. She inform me that she could not help me but refer me to a Ms. Gelner. I email her also. The long and short of the story is everyone told me to fill out this form that is only meant for K-1 Visa question for marrying someone in China which is not what I am doing. I filled out the form anyway using a non existing case number. I am still not able to get anyone to respond to me with a letter to help our situation. If you would be kind enough, could you give me the email address of the Chief Immigration Officer so that I can email him or her for assistance? Thank you in advance. I am glad to see you two so happy. We hope to be in the same situation soon. Thanks. Clement

It seems you guys got married before I read your response, but nonetheless, I had posted the email earlier in the thread in another post of mine. The email needed is to the American Citizen Services. Here: AmCitBeijing@state.gov

[esmie78 0]

Hi,

I am now facing this kind of problem as you did. I have worked in CHina for a year as a kindergarten teacher. And right now me and my US citizen fiance are starting to work for my fiance visa. I have learned that i need to obtain a Chinese Police Clearance....and i am having a problem with obtaining this police clearance and what's making it worse is that my former employer is refusing to help me process my request because they said i am no longer working in their school.

Then i had the chance to read about this site visajourney.com and read all your conversations. I would like to ask how can I contact the US Department of State located in China? Can i ask from you their e-mail address? Or e-mail address of the American Citizen Services of China?

Please, i hope you can help me with this. Thank you very much! I look forward to your response.

Sincerely,

Esmeralda