Obtaining Chinese Police Record...

[Stibnite 0]

My mahal worked in China for 8 months teaching at a school, and according to what I read, she will need to obtain a Police Record for working out of the Philippines for more than 6 months.

The problem is we cannot figure out how or where she is suppose to go to obtain the Police Report we need.

She has nothing on her record. We just need this clearance for the interview.

If anyone can help with the appropriate advice, then thanks in advance!

-Adam and Arlyn

[EnS 0]

When she worked in China for 8 months, she must be holding a work visa? To get a work visa in China as foreigner, you need to register at the local area police station, where they issue you a paper to help you apply for work visa. Is that what your fiancee went through? If so, I suggest checking out with that police station.

[Jesse and Hema 2]

My fiancée came to the USA on a B-2 visa while the K-1 process was (is) still pending. Several reliable websites cite the following reasons this is suitable for:

(1) Simply to meet the family of his and/or her fiance;

(2) To become engaged;

(3) To make arrangements for the wedding; or

(4) To renew a relationship with the prospective spouse

In our case, she got the B-2 visa for the purpose of coming here to make wedding plans while the K-1 was pending, and there was no problems. One of the USCIS customer service reps (though they admittedly don't know much) told me that since the K-1 process is in progress, Port-of-entry officials will fear marriage less. My fiancée showed them the pending I-129f petition and supporting documents when she entered and had no problems.

It might be different in your case, since there's a baby being born, but I think using a B-2 to visit while his baby is born is a good "safety net" to assure you that he will be there for the birth of the child. He'd need to return home until he had a K-1, of course.

Good luck! Let us know how things pan out!

[Jesse and Hema 2]

My fiancée came to the USA on a B-2 visa while the K-1 process was (is) still pending. Several reliable websites cite the following reasons this is suitable for:

(1) Simply to meet the family of his and/or her fiance;

(2) To become engaged;

(3) To make arrangements for the wedding; or

(4) To renew a relationship with the prospective spouse

In our case, she got the B-2 visa for the purpose of coming here to make wedding plans while the K-1 was pending, and there was no problems. One of the USCIS customer service reps (though they admittedly don't know much) told me that since the K-1 process is in progress, Port-of-entry officials will fear marriage less. My fiancée showed them the pending I-129f petition and supporting documents when she entered and had no problems.

It might be different in your case, since there's a baby being born, but I think using a B-2 to visit while his baby is born is a good "safety net" to assure you that he will be there for the birth of the child. He'd need to return home until he had a K-1, of course.

Good luck! Let us know how things pan out!

Sorry, that was to the wrong thread! Good luck with your case

[Stibnite 0]

When she worked in China for 8 months, she must be holding a work visa? To get a work visa in China as foreigner, you need to register at the local area police station, where they issue you a paper to help you apply for work visa. Is that what your fiancee went through? If so, I suggest checking out with that police station.

Yes, she had a work visa. It was called "multiple" something or other. So basically, she could just go to the local police station in the Philippines where she received her work visa paperwork to start with?

[EnS 0]

No, not the police station in Philippine. It should be the one in China. The work visa must have been issued by the Chinese government back then for her to work in China. Maybe have your fiancee contact the Chinese embassy in Philippine to find out more info on this.

[Stibnite 0]

Arlyn went to the Chinese Embassy of the Philippines, and they told her that she has to get the Police Certificate from the local Beijing office.

Now how on earth can she do that? She arrived there on work visa, and there's no way she can go to China to get that document.

Is there any other way of going about getting this?

The Consulate has already mailed Arlyn's packet and the process is moving along quickly.

We cannot afford any delays right now over something small like this.

[pushbrk 12,883]

Arlyn went to the Chinese Embassy of the Philippines, and they told her that she has to get the Police Certificate from the local Beijing office.

Now how on earth can she do that? She arrived there on work visa, and there's no way she can go to China to get that document.

Is there any other way of going about getting this?

The Consulate has already mailed Arlyn's packet and the process is moving along quickly.

We cannot afford any delays right now over something small like this.

She may be able to phone, fax or write or all three to the appropriate police station in Beijing and obtain the no crime report.

It's hard to tell whether this is something small or not. I wouldn't consider getting the report from her country of origin a small matter. It is a major requirement. All I can suggest is that you make your best effort and then if asked for the report, explain both the difficulty and the effort then hope they'll waive the requirement.

[Stibnite 0]

I am now confused.

Arlyn had an F-visa when she worked in China, and according to this information:

POLICE RECORD

Generally available, reliable. Persons should apply for a certificate of no criminal record at the local Public Security Bureau (PSB) (or certain types of employers such as state owned enterprises), then make application to the notary office for a certificate based on the PSB document. Persons without a criminal record will be able to obtain a certificate to that effect. Certificates for individuals with one or more criminal convictions will list all convictions for which records still exist. The certificates purport to reflect all criminal convictions during residence in China. Police records are generally not available for the period prior to 1949. Certificates are available for those in the J-1, Z, and X categories. The GOC does not issue police records for temporary residents of China in L or F visa categories.

Does this mean she does not need Police clearance afterall?

They don't even give records for someone in that visa category, even if we request for it.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/reciprocity/C...der/C/China.htm

Edited November 18, 2007 by Stibnite

[Stibnite 0]

We're still in a fix on this issue.

[Brian & Kathy 0]

Despite what that says, I'd go ahead and pursue the no crime report. If they can't provide it, they will likely give you some letter or notice that states so.

You should make every effort to obtain it, but if it is impossible, present strong evidence that you made every effort. Start documenting your attempts to get the no-crime report, including printing the regulations you found stating F visa is not included.

[soleprudentbisaya 0]

Im in the same situation as you.We end up in a roadblock trying to get this Chinese police clearance certificate requested by the Canadian embassy in Manila.My wife taught as an ESL teacher in Jilin City in Northern China for 6 months and she found out that she only have a L and not working visa . Her recruiter withheld her passport as a ransome and once she got a hand on her passport I flew to China and took her away and sent her back to the Philippines.She was one of the victim of illegal recruiting of teachers in the Philippines.I did the same thing what you did contacted the Chinese embassy which is pretty useless and the Canadian embassy advice us to contact any of her friends to do it on her behalf and lucky enough we track down one of her co teacher to do the job.Well ,we thought we solve the problem.We send her all the documents of my wife to her to present it to the Police Station and Notary public office.My wife co teacher has to bring a translator because nobody speaks english in these offices.Yes its the same answer they dont give police certificate clearance to L and F visa and wont even make a written statement or explanation at least I can show it to the visa officer in the Canadian embassy.It is really frustrating.As for now my wife application is still pending for almost 10 months now because of this request.Were still trying to figure out how to pass this stage.Let me know how's your wife application is doing and I will let you know if some information comes up.

Good luck

[Stibnite 0]

Im in the same situation as you.We end up in a roadblock trying to get this Chinese police clearance certificate requested by the Canadian embassy in Manila.My wife taught as an ESL teacher in Jilin City in Northern China for 6 months and she found out that she only have a L and not working visa . Her recruiter withheld her passport as a ransome and once she got a hand on her passport I flew to China and took her away and sent her back to the Philippines.She was one of the victim of illegal recruiting of teachers in the Philippines.I did the same thing what you did contacted the Chinese embassy which is pretty useless and the Canadian embassy advice us to contact any of her friends to do it on her behalf and lucky enough we track down one of her co teacher to do the job.Well ,we thought we solve the problem.We send her all the documents of my wife to her to present it to the Police Station and Notary public office.My wife co teacher has to bring a translator because nobody speaks english in these offices.Yes its the same answer they dont give police certificate clearance to L and F visa and wont even make a written statement or explanation at least I can show it to the visa officer in the Canadian embassy.It is really frustrating.As for now my wife application is still pending for almost 10 months now because of this request.Were still trying to figure out how to pass this stage.Let me know how's your wife application is doing and I will let you know if some information comes up.

Good luck

I have the solution to this problem now.

I will paste the details I posted somewhere else.

"For future reference, I know exactly how to handle this situation now.

Anyone who runs into this hurdle in any country should be able to follow this same procedure.

I contacted by email the US Department of State located in China, explaining the exact details of the situation--including where she worked and the dates she did, etc.

They responded the same day with the private email address of the American Citizen Services of China, and when I gave them the same email I sent before, they responded immediately with the answer, in writing, in the email, from the U.S. Consulate in China by a Chief Immigration Officer.

It stated specifically that what was written on the reciprocity table on the U.S. department of state's website was still accurate and verified with local authorities.

Next step is to send an email the US Consulate of Manila and explain what steps you've taken so far and ask them what further action they'd have you to take--this shows you're making an effort on your end.

They will send a letter to your fiancee with her Packet 4 that states exactly what to do next.

They will inform her to get a copy of the letter you received from the Chief Immigration Officer, and take it to that country's Embassy in the Philippines, then get it verified, authenticated and notarized by that embassy's official, and then make a copy of the reciprocity table portion dealing with the issue also, and bring that to the interview along with your other evidence.

So in the end, what you need is:

1) Authenticated, notarized and signed letter verifying the email the American Citizen Services Official sends you. The Embassy stated that this MUST be done by the Chinese Embassy of the Philippines by Mr. Wang. This will vary per country, obviously.

2) A copy of the reciprocity table website portion that states exactly what they verified with you in writing with the local police officials.

3) A verbal explanation to the Immigration Officer that interviews you that you made the attempt to obtain the Police Certificate, but the above evidence is all that was obtainable.

This officer should make a note on your form, and it should no longer be an issue.

In the end, the REASON certain Visa classes are not eligible for Police Records is because some Businesses do not handle Visa's correctly and do what's known as "same-day" stamping of the passport--even though the worker lives in the country far more than one day.

This is an attempt to save money on taxes and other fees, and to relieve them of liabilities they'd otherwise obtain if they were to correctly stamp the workers' passports. China is very notorious for this scandal.

As a result, they will not release Police Certificates for certain Multiple Business Visa classes or under certain timeframes depending on the country's inner ethic.

Hope this helps others that get caught in the rut we were in!"

Edited December 7, 2007 by Stibnite

[Stibnite 0]

Im in the same situation as you.We end up in a roadblock trying to get this Chinese police clearance certificate requested by the Canadian embassy in Manila.My wife taught as an ESL teacher in Jilin City in Northern China for 6 months and she found out that she only have a L and not working visa . Her recruiter withheld her passport as a ransome and once she got a hand on her passport I flew to China and took her away and sent her back to the Philippines.She was one of the victim of illegal recruiting of teachers in the Philippines.I did the same thing what you did contacted the Chinese embassy which is pretty useless and the Canadian embassy advice us to contact any of her friends to do it on her behalf and lucky enough we track down one of her co teacher to do the job.Well ,we thought we solve the problem.We send her all the documents of my wife to her to present it to the Police Station and Notary public office.My wife co teacher has to bring a translator because nobody speaks english in these offices.Yes its the same answer they dont give police certificate clearance to L and F visa and wont even make a written statement or explanation at least I can show it to the visa officer in the Canadian embassy.It is really frustrating.As for now my wife application is still pending for almost 10 months now because of this request.Were still trying to figure out how to pass this stage.Let me know how's your wife application is doing and I will let you know if some information comes up.

Good luck

The email you need is to the American Citizen Services. Here: AmCitBeijing@state.gov

Give them a simple description of what you need, and they will give you the appropriate email over the jurisdiction where your fiancee worked.

Then forward the same email to the U.S. Consulate email they send you, and you'll get a response from an actual officer shortly after.

Good luck!

[jackielibera 0]

My mahal worked in China for 8 months teaching at a school, and according to what I read, she will need to obtain a Police Record for working out of the Philippines for more than 6 months.

The problem is we cannot figure out how or where she is suppose to go to obtain the Police Report we need.

She has nothing on her record. We just need this clearance for the interview.

If anyone can help with the appropriate advice, then thanks in advance!

-Adam and Arlyn

Hello Adam and Arlyn,

I'm happy for both of you. I also in the same situation. I'm Filipina, and my fiancee is a US citizen. I work in China for 8 months in one of a 4star hotel and i have F visa. Can you tell me how you get a Police Clearance in China.? Who are the poeple to talk to the, email address and procedure you done. I will appreciate your help. My interview will be on April 3.

Please help me i really did a lot of work already but we did not get anything about this Police certificate in China. Its really hard to deal with Chinese people.

Thanks,

Jackie