I'm sure it's been posted before...(9/11 Pentagon Plane)

[Aymerlu 3]

Interesting

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Welcome to the wonderful world of th 9/11 gone-bonkers brigade.

[minha_raposa 0]

Folks, this video is 500 % BFS!!!

I have personally seen the photgraphs of what was left of the plane and engines taken from real cameras by real people while I TRAINED side by side with the very same heroes who took those pictures and responded to this disaster(New Mexico Task Force 1). You might want to say these heroes are part of the government *conspiracy*, but I can assure you, they are unpaid VOLUNTEERS who potect and serve our communities everyday. What I saw and learned from them was nothing short of humbling and they would NEVER participate in this something as rediculous as what this video sugests. Anyone who wants to say this is bunk needs to just do a little research...or just go talk to the families of someone who was lost on that plane. I certainly have and I KNOW the truth.

You can hate bush all you want, but it is shameful and insulting to spread rediculous propaganda such as this at the expense of those who lost and risked their lives!

[Jasman0717 9]

[gimygirl 0]

Welcome to the wonderful world of th 9/11 gone-bonkers brigade.

reinhard ... i'm disappointed in you. you could of at least quoted your source for your catchy little putdown.

fishy ... you always seem to be the first to bring bush into these conversations ... this is not something he personally orchestrated, but he certainly has allowed a cover-up of information from the american public.

minha ... for every person you know, there is a grieving family who lost someone on 9/11 that is demanding a new investigation into 9/11. of course, the heroes of that day did all they could ... questions were not raised for months after the event. i would love to be in contact with someone that you have personally met who personally has their own pictures of the plane that hit the pentagon ... please pm their info. odd that the FBI confiscated video from both the citgo gas station (open only to Department of Defense personnel) and the sheraton hotel located across the street but you have seen personal pictures of the plane and its engines. wouldn't the gov't just release those pictures to put these 'conspiracy' theories to rest?? no ... they decided to wait for 6 months before unofficially releasing 5 frames from their security camera with the WRONG date!!! oops! it said: sept 12, 2001.

thinking our government had anything to do with that day is almost unfathomable, but the loss of 3,000 as a justification for war is small peanuts. there are just tooooooo many questions to be answered and not just with the pentagon.

just like illegal immigration, it's best to check your emotions at the door when discussing this issue.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Welcome to the wonderful world of th 9/11 gone-bonkers brigade.

reinhard ... i'm disappointed in you. you could of at least quoted your source for your catchy little putdown.

fishy ... you always seem to be the first to bring bush into these conversations ... this is not something he personally orchestrated, but he certainly has allowed a cover-up of information from the american public.

minha ... for every person you know, there is a grieving family who lost someone on 9/11 that is demanding a new investigation into 9/11. of course, the heroes of that day did all they could ... questions were not raised for months after the event. i would love to be in contact with someone that you have personally met who personally has their own pictures of the plane that hit the pentagon ... please pm their info. odd that the FBI confiscated video from both the citgo gas station (open only to Department of Defense personnel) and the sheraton hotel located across the street but you have seen personal pictures of the plane and its engines. wouldn't the gov't just release those pictures to put these 'conspiracy' theories to rest?? no ... they decided to wait for 6 months before unofficially releasing 5 frames from their security camera with the WRONG date!!! oops! it said: sept 12, 2001.

thinking our government had anything to do with that day is almost unfathomable, but the loss of 3,000 as a justification for war is small peanuts. there are just tooooooo many questions to be answered and not just with the pentagon.

just like illegal immigration, it's best to check your emotions at the door when discussing this issue.

Or leave your facts at the door for that matter.

Al Qaeda took advantage of lax security in airport security to carry out the attacks. The Bush government was not concerned about Al Qaeda - despite many briefings to the contrary. If you remember that's the time that GWB was spending all his time on the golf course, or at some country retreat. The only cover-up IMO are those people trying to disguise their own ineptness that lead to a national tragedy - one which could have been avoided.

Edited April 14, 2006 by Fishdude

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Welcome to the wonderful world of the 9/11 gone-bonkers brigade.

reinhard ... i'm disappointed in you. you could of at least quoted your source for your catchy little putdown.

Well, I'd tell you that I didn't even look that far. What I was looking for was a translation of "Meschugge-Brigade" as I have read about this conspiracy fantasy in one of my favorite magazines. The "gone-bonkers brigade" was the closest that google brought up.

Either way. You label those that don't bathe in these conspiracy theories "closed-minded". Maybe not today but I've read such before. Is that really any better? Have you checked your emotions at the door when you make such suggestions?

Edited April 14, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Nizzy 1]

all I have to say is that we need to think on our own once in a while and learn how to question things that occur around us rather then be fed someone's version of the truth.

[Artegal 1]

It is really funny how certain people on this website--and in life are very willing to believe in whatever crazy conspiracy theory--yet they will fully accept or discount other ideas.

For example discount that God exist yet accept the Godlike conspiracy of the largest, most incoherent, inept government in recent history. Or discount that creation is even possible yet whole hardly accept the theory of Darwin.

Logic, fact, and emotions have been confused about and in many of these theories and ideas proposed on the internet--its really interesting how something posted on the web seems to garner more credence than mainstream media or scholarly articles or reports. Granted I think the full evidence and documentation about 9/11 should be released--but this is not done frequently at the behest of the surviving family members.

Edited April 14, 2006 by Artegal

[kaydee457 13]

Ah, here we go with the wild conspiracies....

How do the authors of this nonsensical spectacle reconcile the deaths of the passengers? There's no mention of the cell phone calls from the airplane before impacting the pentagon but there were a few one of which was from a prominent, obviously deceased, NY Times reporter as she said goodbye to her husband before dying.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Always interesting to watch, even though I'm not sure what to believe. But as long as there hasn't been a decent and credible investigation of an independent committee, it is impossible to tell what actually happened that day.

To those who think this is all conspiracy theory against an impeccable government or just another instance exploited by the crazy and paranoid elements in society, there is always some truth to all of this and if the truth lies in a lack of open discussion. Look at the JFK-investigation or the whole Iraq-war lead up; there is no truth that we can know, so we speculate. Large groups of people don't ask the same questions over and over if they can be convinced that they were wrong. But as long as there is a big hush-hush under the guise of national security there can be no convincing argument made to discount these conspiracy theories.

[slim 1,530]

Always interesting to watch, even though I'm not sure what to believe. But as long as there hasn't been a decent and credible investigation of an independent committee, it is impossible to tell what actually happened that day.

To those who think this is all conspiracy theory against an impeccable government or just another instance exploited by the crazy and paranoid elements in society, there is always some truth to all of this and if the truth lies in a lack of open discussion. Look at the JFK-investigation or the whole Iraq-war lead up; there is no truth that we can know, so we speculate. Large groups of people don't ask the same questions over and over if they can be convinced that they were wrong. But as long as there is a big hush-hush under the guise of national security there can be no convincing argument made to discount these conspiracy theories.

[pax 0]

I suppose at the end of the day I'm not as intellectually courageous as I would like to be. I haven't watched these Internet films that I know are available, and I know that I should, even if I ultimately decide they're misleading or wrong. But I just don't want to.

I don't want to re-live 9/11, and I'm not even one of the people who lost a family member or a close friend. It was just scary enough to be at school at the time, as I was, and have bomb threats called in to my campus such that I couldn't even go into my dorm room until late in the afternoon. I remember sitting in the chapel and the business school, the two buildings that had been cleared by the police first, and watching CNN on huge projection screens for most of the afternoon because there was nothing else to do. I went to church that night and just cried and cried. And again, I can't imagine how frightening and heartbreaking it must have been to have lost a spouse, or a child, or a sibling, or a parent, or a friend that day.

But besides that, as much as I don't like out current Administration, I don't actually want to believe that they're capable of evil. I really don't think they are--well, at least I hope they're not. Gross mismanagement, horrible judgment, hubris, plain old stupidity--I can buy all of that. But not actual, calculating, premeditated evil. I'm still young and silly enough to want to think that somewhere in government, the good guys are still running the show. I still hope that's true.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

But besides that, as much as I don't like out current Administration, I don't actually want to believe that they're capable of evil. I really don't think they are--well, at least I hope they're not. Gross mismanagement, horrible judgment, hubris, plain old stupidity--I can buy all of that. But not actual, calculating, premeditated evil.

See, I'm a little on the fence on this one. Just stupidity, or did they let this one go thinking it's just going to be a couple hi-jacked planes, a few dozen vics at the most but a damn good reason to get tough in pre-determined parts of the world? That's the question I sometimes ask myself.

But then, this is one of the most inept administrations we've seen in a long while. They haven't gotten a first thing right for as long as they occupy the White House. They've fcuked up literally everything they ever touched. They keep having leak after leak after leak and find themselves ever more tangled up in their neat web of deception that they've been busy weaving over the years. Could they really pull this kind of ####### off w/o it leaking into the public? Think about how many people would, at some point, have been involved in letting such a scheme slide through the cracks. And none of them would ever feel the urge to expose this? I just don't see that.

But I agree that there are a number of unanswered questions. The reason why the administration and various government agencies are blocking independent reviews is, IMHO, because they are concerned that exposing the magnitute of their ineptness would cause some major fallout.

Carry on.

[slim 1,530]

I suppose at the end of the day I'm not as intellectually courageous as I would like to be. I haven't watched these Internet films that I know are available, and I know that I should, even if I ultimately decide they're misleading or wrong. But I just don't want to.

I don't want to re-live 9/11, and I'm not even one of the people who lost a family member or a close friend. It was just scary enough to be at school at the time, as I was, and have bomb threats called in to my campus such that I couldn't even go into my dorm room until late in the afternoon. I remember sitting in the chapel and the business school, the two buildings that had been cleared by the police first, and watching CNN on huge projection screens for most of the afternoon because there was nothing else to do. I went to church that night and just cried and cried. And again, I can't imagine how frightening and heartbreaking it must have been to have lost a spouse, or a child, or a sibling, or a parent, or a friend that day.

But besides that, as much as I don't like out current Administration, I don't actually want to believe that they're capable of evil. I really don't think they are--well, at least I hope they're not. Gross mismanagement, horrible judgment, hubris, plain old stupidity--I can buy all of that. But not actual, calculating, premeditated evil. I'm still young and silly enough to want to think that somewhere in government, the good guys are still running the show. I still hope that's true.

Imagine if you lived in Israel or Palestine, or just about anywhere in sub-Saharan Africa. Things like what happened on 9/11 would be daily occurances. We as Americans cannot sit and cry when faced with events that strike fear into us. We must be willing to combat these threats and stand up for what we think is right.

Unfortunately, what most Americans think is right, is turning a blind eye to unfortunate things and driving their SUVs to Wal-Mart to buy more ####### they don't need, and bolstering foreign economies.