Fiance Visa denial

[pushbrk 12,901]

Thank you for your reply. Yes, I do have other forms of communication from her but I was under the impression that e-mail has the most weight for approval. I like the engagement ring to the interview idea. If they need more than one e-mail per month, than I will stress to my girl to reply more often. Your point raises an interesting question. Would submitting sporatic e-mails or 8 of my e-mails to one of hers, making our case worse, I wonder?

Noll, I think email is important but it's not as important as you think it is. Emails can be faked.

Pictures of the two of you together that are dated, passport stamps, boarding passes, phone records from your phone company showing the number which is being called, or text messages, Letters mailed to each other with the stamp mark on them, etc. These are the types of things they are looking for.

Having to coach your girlfriend in to emailing you...again, I find odd.

I understand you are afraid of being denied but like I've said, if it is a bona fide relationship and you have been in contact with her daily in some way that you can show...you'll be fine.

Relax.

Contact every day is impossible for some people. I usually recommend people only supply examples of emails anyway. Since you also have phone bills, I would'nt worry about any single communication form.

[Seattle2Cebu 0]

dude, theres a lot of sweet girls out there, if she isnt writing any more than that, youve got a problemo

in my opinion.. My fiance got off to a slow start writing, and I pressed her on the subject, and at that

time she wasnt in fact that serious about me. We continued writing off and on, and then things kicked in

and we write 3-8 emails a week.... Im also going to send some snail mails since I havent been doing that,

I am lazy to write... and she is to... Ive also sent an lbc box or two and money on xoom....

dont have a lot of cell phone records as she broke two phones, im going to send another cheapie.

but seriously... re-think this one.. for your own sanity..

E-mail is only one piece of the picture. How heavily it will be weighted will probably depend on what other proofs you are bringing...phone records, proof of trips, etc. If that is you only proof, you might be in trouble if you only have a few e-mails. However, this is also completely arbitrary, dependant largely upon what Consulate you're going through and what the actual interviewer makes of the situation.

Thank you Gwen666 for this insight. So, from what you are describing, it sounds like most people make it to the interview stage even if their e-mail exchange was dismal. It sounds like it is at the interview stage where they make the ultimate decision. If I have a ring on her finger that should be convincing enough? The problem is, I can't get my girl to write e-mail more than once a month, if I am lucky.

[Skouri 2]

Hi everyone,

When i start reading the headlines i thought that topics is someone post it cause he got denied for insufissant proove or not enough e-mail, but when i read the whole topics then i get shocked.

I have some questiones but please don't think i'm offend you, do you love your girlfriend? does she loves you? how you communicate? when did you meet her? are you filling for k1 visa or she is the one? does she know about that or you still thinking about it? i wish you can explain your setuation very well so we can help you.

best wishes to you and everyone !!!

GOD IS GOOD ... let's pray all together !!!

Edited October 20, 2007 by rachid_7

[DKM 0]

I included a sample of everything. Like noll, I was paranoid at first that we didn't have enough emails, maybe 10 total from March through June. After we fell in love, we stopped using email except for sending each other pictures and links to things we find funny. I thought maybe the consulate would deny because we didn't have much else other than proof i bought some phone cards ( i dial the 800 # on it). Other than that we chat online probably 1-2 hours a day, but those "records" don't really show anything especially since they can be faked anyway. We also use the free skype web cam to talk for hours on the weekends but there is no way to record proof of that either.

I think the visits are what will settle it though... I'd be a bit worried if it weren't for those. Really the large rock on her hand and the picture of our families meeting together in Russia should be enough for anyone. If not then they will have to explain to me why I would spend tens of thousands to fly my girl to different places in the world to spend time with me if this was some sort of immigration scam...

[gwenneh 7]

E-mail is only one piece of the picture. How heavily it will be weighted will probably depend on what other proofs you are bringing...phone records, proof of trips, etc. If that is you only proof, you might be in trouble if you only have a few e-mails. However, this is also completely arbitrary, dependant largely upon what Consulate you're going through and what the actual interviewer makes of the situation.

Thank you Gwen666 for this insight. So, from what you are describing, it sounds like most people make it to the interview stage even if their e-mail exchange was dismal. It sounds like it is at the interview stage where they make the ultimate decision. If I have a ring on her finger that should be convincing enough? The problem is, I can't get my girl to write e-mail more than once a month, if I am lucky.

Noll, one of the things being stressed here is that while it is not important at the petition stage, at the interview stage the burden of proof will be upon you to show that you have kept in communication with enough frequency to prove a bona-fide relationship. To answer your question; no, a ring is not convincing enough. It doesn't prove a continuous and genuine relationship with your fiance - and the interviewer at the consulate may be asking her some *very* detailed questions to determine the veracity of your relationship. Be warned! You are coming through a consulate that is moderately difficult to begin with, because of the high number of fraud cases that originate there. This is not going to be an easy trip with the best and most genuine of relationships.

I am not going to give you relationship advice. Only you know if your relationship is actually genuine, and no one here knows the whole picture. I will say this - if all you have is one visit, a ring, and a few e-mails, you are going to be hard-pressed to convince an interviewing officer at a high-fraud consulate that the relationship is genuine. If you're having trouble with the folks here on VJ questioning the veracity of your relationship, just sit back and imagine what it's going to be like to be questioned by someone who is trained to ferret out scammers *and* who is labouring under the assumption that you are a fraud until you prove yourself otherwise?

This is what you're up against. I don't say this to be harsh, just to give you an idea of the reality of the situation.

[Skouri 2]

E-mail is only one piece of the picture. How heavily it will be weighted will probably depend on what other proofs you are bringing...phone records, proof of trips, etc. If that is you only proof, you might be in trouble if you only have a few e-mails. However, this is also completely arbitrary, dependant largely upon what Consulate you're going through and what the actual interviewer makes of the situation.

Thank you Gwen666 for this insight. So, from what you are describing, it sounds like most people make it to the interview stage even if their e-mail exchange was dismal. It sounds like it is at the interview stage where they make the ultimate decision. If I have a ring on her finger that should be convincing enough? The problem is, I can't get my girl to write e-mail more than once a month, if I am lucky.

Noll, one of the things being stressed here is that while it is not important at the petition stage, at the interview stage the burden of proof will be upon you to show that you have kept in communication with enough frequency to prove a bona-fide relationship. To answer your question; no, a ring is not convincing enough. It doesn't prove a continuous and genuine relationship with your fiance - and the interviewer at the consulate may be asking her some *very* detailed questions to determine the veracity of your relationship. Be warned! You are coming through a consulate that is moderately difficult to begin with, because of the high number of fraud cases that originate there. This is not going to be an easy trip with the best and most genuine of relationships.

I am not going to give you relationship advice. Only you know if your relationship is actually genuine, and no one here knows the whole picture. I will say this - if all you have is one visit, a ring, and a few e-mails, you are going to be hard-pressed to convince an interviewing officer at a high-fraud consulate that the relationship is genuine. If you're having trouble with the folks here on VJ questioning the veracity of your relationship, just sit back and imagine what it's going to be like to be questioned by someone who is trained to ferret out scammers *and* who is labouring under the assumption that you are a fraud until you prove yourself otherwise?

This is what you're up against. I don't say this to be harsh, just to give you an idea of the reality of the situation.

THANK YOU GWENNN ... I GUESS THE SETUATION IS CLEAR NOW ... GOOD LUCK NOLL !!!

[Caladan 19]

dude, theres a lot of sweet girls out there, if she isnt writing any more than that, youve got a problemo

in my opinion.. My fiance got off to a slow start writing, and I pressed her on the subject, and at that

time she wasnt in fact that serious about me. We continued writing off and on, and then things kicked in

and we write 3-8 emails a week.... Im also going to send some snail mails since I havent been doing that,

I am lazy to write... and she is to... Ive also sent an lbc box or two and money on xoom....

dont have a lot of cell phone records as she broke two phones, im going to send another cheapie.

but seriously... re-think this one.. for your own sanity..

E-mail is only one piece of the picture. How heavily it will be weighted will probably depend on what other proofs you are bringing...phone records, proof of trips, etc. If that is you only proof, you might be in trouble if you only have a few e-mails. However, this is also completely arbitrary, dependant largely upon what Consulate you're going through and what the actual interviewer makes of the situation.

Thank you Gwen666 for this insight. So, from what you are describing, it sounds like most people make it to the interview stage even if their e-mail exchange was dismal. It sounds like it is at the interview stage where they make the ultimate decision. If I have a ring on her finger that should be convincing enough? The problem is, I can't get my girl to write e-mail more than once a month, if I am lucky.

I'm glad you feel so confident to diagnose his relationship but I'd point your attention to him saying that they talk everyday on the phone. Is there something magical about e-mails that proves that you shouldn't throw the woman back and try to get yourself another, or did you just miss that they communicate a lot, just not via e-mail?

[bora bora 1]

When my husband was still in Brazil we communicated on the phone, through e-mail, webcam, MSN, and snail mail....

However, I only sent a bit of each - in fact, we only sent 5 emails (+ translations) - and that was over a couple of years, so don't worry about that.

Make sure that you both love each other and want to spend the rest of your lives together.

[Knoll 1]

I wanted to thank everyone for replying to my post. You have helped a lot, as well as other newbies. I apologize to anyone I may have annoyed as well. I am a firm believer in understanding potential outcomes and avoiding pitfalls, before going forward with the process. Sure, if you are in your 20's or 30's you have the luxury of time on your side to recover from mistakes (as well as lots of time to build a relationship before submitting paperwork). It seems for most of the guys on this forum, their girl is already in love with them (which makes everything easier because she is motivated for success too). If my girl were here, I am confident she would fall in love with me. She has already told me she likes me very much and believes I am the one for her. Thanks again. My best to all!

Noll

Dear Readers,

I am trying to find people who have been denied fiancé visas due to insufficient communication exchange. My biggest concern is frequency of communication exchange from my girl and more specifically, e-mail (or lack thereof).

Have you, or do you know someone, who has been denied issuance of the fiancé visa due to insufficient number of e-mail responses from your girl?

Does anyone know how heavily the reviewer’s look at frequency of e-mail exchanges or communication in general?

If everything else in the application is “perfect” except there are very few e-mail responses (one every 5 or 6 weeks), will they deny the visa? Has this happened to anyone?

Thank you.

Noll

[~Laura and Nick~ 5]

I wanted to thank everyone for replying to my post. You have helped a lot, as well as other newbies. I apologize to anyone I may have annoyed as well. I am a firm believer in understanding potential outcomes and avoiding pitfalls, before going forward with the process. Sure, if you are in your 20's or 30's you have the luxury of time on your side to recover from mistakes (as well as lots of time to build a relationship before submitting paperwork). It seems for most of the guys on this forum, their girl is already in love with them (which makes everything easier because she is motivated for success too). If my girl were here, I am confident she would fall in love with me. She has already told me she likes me very much and believes I am the one for her. Thanks again. My best to all!

Noll

One step at a time...establish more of a relationship, make sure it's what you both want, then begin the process together.

Best of luck

[desert_fox 32]

I submitted exactly ZERO e-mails, ZERO chat logs, ZERO phone logs to the USCIS and had no problem in the approval of my petition. They need evidence that you have met in person. None of the above would prove that now would they??

Save it for the interview if you must.

[Rob & Jin 0]

I wanted to thank everyone for replying to my post. You have helped a lot, as well as other newbies. I apologize to anyone I may have annoyed as well. I am a firm believer in understanding potential outcomes and avoiding pitfalls, before going forward with the process. Sure, if you are in your 20's or 30's you have the luxury of time on your side to recover from mistakes (as well as lots of time to build a relationship before submitting paperwork). It seems for most of the guys on this forum, their girl is already in love with them (which makes everything easier because she is motivated for success too). If my girl were here, I am confident she would fall in love with me. She has already told me she likes me very much and believes I am the one for her. Thanks again. My best to all!

Noll

Dear Readers,

I am trying to find people who have been denied fiancé visas due to insufficient communication exchange. My biggest concern is frequency of communication exchange from my girl and more specifically, e-mail (or lack thereof).

Have you, or do you know someone, who has been denied issuance of the fiancé visa due to insufficient number of e-mail responses from your girl?

Does anyone know how heavily the reviewer’s look at frequency of e-mail exchanges or communication in general?

If everything else in the application is “perfect” except there are very few e-mail responses (one every 5 or 6 weeks), will they deny the visa? Has this happened to anyone?

Thank you.

Noll

How many times have you met ? 1 email a month and only 1 meeting would cause me concern if I was a VO, no offense dude.

[Seattle2Cebu 0]

ok take it back i missed that

dude, theres a lot of sweet girls out there, if she isnt writing any more than that, youve got a problemo

in my opinion.. My fiance got off to a slow start writing, and I pressed her on the subject, and at that

time she wasnt in fact that serious about me. We continued writing off and on, and then things kicked in

and we write 3-8 emails a week.... Im also going to send some snail mails since I havent been doing that,

I am lazy to write... and she is to... Ive also sent an lbc box or two and money on xoom....

dont have a lot of cell phone records as she broke two phones, im going to send another cheapie.

but seriously... re-think this one.. for your own sanity..

E-mail is only one piece of the picture. How heavily it will be weighted will probably depend on what other proofs you are bringing...phone records, proof of trips, etc. If that is you only proof, you might be in trouble if you only have a few e-mails. However, this is also completely arbitrary, dependant largely upon what Consulate you're going through and what the actual interviewer makes of the situation.

Thank you Gwen666 for this insight. So, from what you are describing, it sounds like most people make it to the interview stage even if their e-mail exchange was dismal. It sounds like it is at the interview stage where they make the ultimate decision. If I have a ring on her finger that should be convincing enough? The problem is, I can't get my girl to write e-mail more than once a month, if I am lucky.

I'm glad you feel so confident to diagnose his relationship but I'd point your attention to him saying that they talk everyday on the phone. Is there something magical about e-mails that proves that you shouldn't throw the woman back and try to get yourself another, or did you just miss that they communicate a lot, just not via e-mail?

[DKM 0]

Noll, if you are thinking of using the K-1 90 period to test the relationship to see if you will marry at the end of it, that is a very bad idea. It rarely works and even with the best of intentions you are setting yourself up to fail. No matter what your age, we are all anxious to be with our loved ones ASAP but you gotta be ready to marry before filing the K-1. I suggest you get yourself back to Ukraine before filing the paperwork and visit her family, see what she is like on a day to day basis and let the romance happen. You will have zero doubts when its right because when a Russian/Ukrainian girl loves you, she makes sure you know it 100%.

[etripke 0]

I included a sample of everything. Like noll, I was paranoid at first that we didn't have enough emails, maybe 10 total from March through June. After we fell in love, we stopped using email except for sending each other pictures and links to things we find funny. I thought maybe the consulate would deny because we didn't have much else other than proof i bought some phone cards ( i dial the 800 # on it). Other than that we chat online probably 1-2 hours a day, but those "records" don't really show anything especially since they can be faked anyway. We also use the free skype web cam to talk for hours on the weekends but there is no way to record proof of that either.

I think the visits are what will settle it though... I'd be a bit worried if it weren't for those. Really the large rock on her hand and the picture of our families meeting together in Russia should be enough for anyone. If not then they will have to explain to me why I would spend tens of thousands to fly my girl to different places in the world to spend time with me if this was some sort of immigration scam...

So, a "Large Rock" on her hand is needed? I can't disagree more. All it shows is you have $$ and that she just won the lottery. We exchanged simple engagement rings which will be OUR rings.

Visits (the family meeting is a great one I did the same), and additional combinations will make the case for the Visa. Rings are never required. Bringing a letter from clergy or a judge to the interview stating they will be performing the marriage is a great asset also.

Right now I think NOLL needs to decide what he is doing, and what he wants. I also see some red flags based on his description of how the relationship is going and where HER intentions are as well.

Edited October 21, 2007 by etripke