My moms take on the illegal immigration crap

[mercuryroad 0]

I don't hear anybody saying that the borders should just be opened up and let everyone in.......and if you don't think a backlash against immigrants of all types is possible then you are fooling yourself.

You're right, we should not cater to illegal aliens.....we should give them a legal recourse to do the jobs that American employers want to hire them for. It's pretty simple.

Then you aren't listening and I'm no fool.

And the US government has amply proved they cannot even control our own borders, enforce existing immigration laws, employment laws, or administer benefits to legal immigrants in an efficient manner.

Why would we even want to trust them to properly and efficiently administer this guestworker / amnesty scheme? It's smoke and mirrors. Nothing but a wet dream fantasy for corporate America and the ethnic lobbies.

My take on the whole debate is that we shouldn't even be discussing any guestworker plan until the border is secure and the American people are shown that the government is sincere in enforcing the law. Plain and simple. Let's put the horse in front of the cart instead of the cart in front of the horse!

Instead...all the Senate wants to do is amnesty illegal aliens with a vague promise of future enforcement. I was around to physically see the rotten fruit born of the last 1986 amnesty, broken promises, and the sick joke that got pulled on the American people by our elected representatives.

No, I'm no fool.

My comment was addressed at your conclusion that a backlash of all types of immigrants was not possible. In my opinion, that is indeed a foolish conclusion.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

My comment was addressed at your conclusion that a backlash of all types of immigrants was not possible. In my opinion, that is indeed a foolish conclusion.

This whole mess can backfire any which way. An amnesty (whatever it is called in the end) can backfire quite seriously on all immigrants, too. If you think that's impossible or even unlikely, you fooling yourself as well.

Edited April 13, 2006 by ET-US2004

[mercuryroad 0]

My comment was addressed at your conclusion that a backlash of all types of immigrants was not possible. In my opinion, that is indeed a foolish conclusion.

This whole mess can backfire any which way. An amnesty (whatever it is called in the end) can backfire quite seriously on all immigrants, too. If you think that's impossible or even unlikely, you fooling yourself as well.

It's a good thing I didn't say that then.

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My comment was addressed at your conclusion that a backlash of all types of immigrants was not possible. In my opinion, that is indeed a foolish conclusion.

This whole mess can backfire any which way. An amnesty (whatever it is called in the end) can backfire quite seriously on all immigrants, too. If you think that's impossible or even unlikely, you fooling yourself as well.

It's a good thing I didn't say that then.

merc,

My sense from your posts is that you wish to avoid any course of action that makes an anti-immigrant backlash likely.

Assuming that is correct, what course of action do you suggest, that would minimize the chances of an anti-immigrant backlash?

[Boiler 45,517]

My comment was addressed at your conclusion that a backlash of all types of immigrants was not possible. In my opinion, that is indeed a foolish conclusion.

This whole mess can backfire any which way. An amnesty (whatever it is called in the end) can backfire quite seriously on all immigrants, too. If you think that's impossible or even unlikely, you fooling yourself as well.

It's a good thing I didn't say that then.

merc,

My sense from your posts is that you wish to avoid any course of action that makes an anti-immigrant backlash likely.

Assuming that is correct, what course of action do you suggest, that would minimize the chances of an anti-immigrant backlash?

My guess is nothing will happen, well nothing of consequence, muddle on as is. Maybe some will get the Pass Go and pay $2000, but any that do will soon be replaced.

Enforce the current laws would be a start, a couple of high profile prosecutions of Companies would get the ball rolling, a bit of jail time for the CEO's.

Will not happen so its all pointless.

[doodlebugfor_u 0]

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Brown Is the New Black

by Ann Coulter

Posted Apr 12, 2006

This is the only country on Earth that thinks it's not sporting to consider our own interests in choosing immigrants. Try showing up in any other country on the planet, illiterate and penniless, and announcing: "I've seen pictures of your country and it looks great. I think I'd like to live here! Oh, and by the way, would you mind changing all your government and business phone messages, street signs and ballots into my native language? Thanks!" They would laugh you out of the country.

What seems not to have occurred to the "NO HUMAN BEING IS ILLEGAL" crowd is that this is a country, not a public park.

There are more than 6 billion people in the world, many of whom apparently like the idea of living in the wealthiest democracy on Earth. But if the billions of people of the world did live here, it wouldn't be "here" anymore. America is special for a reason that must transcend the right to vote -- or everyone would be trying to immigrate to Iraq right now.

America has a seller's market in immigration, but thanks to Teddy Kennedy's 1965 immigration law, we no longer favor skilled workers from developed nations, but instead favor unskilled immigrants from the Third World. Kennedy's bill promptly cut the number of European immigrants in half and increased Third World immigrants to 85 percent of the total.

Not surprisingly, post-1965 immigrants have sharply higher levels of poverty and welfare dependence. Europeans may not seem like ideal new immigrants, but the truth is, if what they want is welfare, they'll stay in France.

It's as if we've got the last Xbox 360s available on Christmas Eve and instead of doubling the price, we're entertaining low-ball offers. Or more accurately, we're paying our customers to take the darn things off our hands -- and the customers are still indignant with us.

On CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on Monday, Dobbs was interviewing Nativo Lopez, president of the Mexican-American Political Association about his demand for "full immediate, unconditional legalization for all persons currently in the United States."

Dobbs posed this innocuous question about Lopez's planned boycott, "You're talking about a boycott of all illegal aliens in this country?"

Lopez exploded: "Well, first off, I refute your terminology. You don't say 'kike,' 'patty,' 'WOP,' OK. You don't say '***'! ... You're using language that's offensive to me and offensive to my people! ... You pollute the air every day, Dobbs. ... That language is offensive, it's derogatory, it's denigrating, and don't use that terminology to me again, referring to my people!"

Dobbs eventually ended Lopez's Tourette's episode by calmly asking him what he expected the impact of the boycott to be.

An hour later on MSNBC's "Hardball," Dave Rodriguez, of the League of United Latin American Citizens, leapt in to denounce Rep. Tom Tancredo for using the word "amnesty." He said: "There isn't any such thing as amnesty in this law. I don't understand what this debate is. That's your own terminology on it ..."

Bank robbers and drug dealers ought to start claiming that the words "bank robber" and "drug dealer" are akin to the N-word. They could accuse lawmakers of "criminalizing felonies" and claim they don't understand what the word "jailbreak" means.

At the same time on CNN's "The Situation Room," Maria Elena Salinas, an anchor at Univision, was informing Wolf Blitzer that "all Hispanics feel offended by what has been going on, by the rhetoric, the level of the negativity that you hear coming out of Capitol Hill and also on some television stations and by some journalists."

So it's really more like we've got the last Xbox 360s available on Christmas Eve and the customers are not only demanding money to take the hottest sales item off our hands, but are verbally abusing us and acting petulant. I'm offended that you would even think about asking me to pay for the Xbox 360! You say it has a "20 GB detachable hard drive"? Well, would you use the word "kike"?

As hardworking as illegal immigrants are when they come here, they are immediately demagogued by liberals into adopting the victimhood pose so popular on college campuses. Everybody wants to act like his ancestors were brought here on slave ships.

Consider this e-mail from Michele Waslin, La Raza's director of Immigration Policy Research, to her members denouncing Sen. Lamar Alexander's proposal to provide government grants to immigrants who want to learn English and American history and to organizations offering those courses. (I'd be happy with a law that simply trained new immigrants not to be "offended" all the time.)

Even though this potentially meant free money for La Raza, Waslin -- of the Guadalajara Waslins -- ominously warned that while the amendment "doesn't overtly mention assimilation, it is very strong on the patriotism and traditional American values language in a way which is potentially dangerous to our communities."

Meanwhile, Americans aren't allowed to consider whether millions of immigrants refusing to learn English and American history is "potentially dangerous to our communities." Here, please -- we'll pay you, just take the whole Xbox 360 factory.

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Brown Is the New Black

by Ann Coulter

Posted Apr 12, 2006

LOL i was just about to post this

On CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on Monday, Dobbs was interviewing Nativo Lopez, president of the Mexican-American Political Association about his demand for "full immediate, unconditional legalization for all persons currently in the United States."

Dobbs posed this innocuous question about Lopez's planned boycott, "You're talking about a boycott of all illegal aliens in this country?"

Lopez exploded: "Well, first off, I refute your terminology. You don't say 'kike,' 'patty,' 'WOP,' OK. You don't say '***'! ... You're using language that's offensive to me and offensive to my people! ... You pollute the air every day, Dobbs. ... That language is offensive, it's derogatory, it's denigrating, and don't use that terminology to me again, referring to my people!"

Hilarious!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

On CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on Monday, Dobbs was interviewing Nativo Lopez, president of the Mexican-American Political Association about his demand for "full immediate, unconditional legalization for all persons currently in the United States."

Dobbs posed this innocuous question about Lopez's planned boycott, "You're talking about a boycott of all illegal aliens in this country?"

Lopez exploded: "Well, first off, I refute your terminology. You don't say 'kike,' 'patty,' 'WOP,' OK. You don't say '***'! ... You're using language that's offensive to me and offensive to my people! ... You pollute the air every day, Dobbs. ... That language is offensive, it's derogatory, it's denigrating, and don't use that terminology to me again, referring to my people!"

Hilarious!

Indeed.

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Brown Is the New Black

by Ann Coulter

Posted Apr 12, 2006

That's a good one MDYoung! I don't know whether burst out in laughter or tears. Or get pissed off enough to demand that our government start doing its job in regards to enforcing immigration and employment laws that were supposed to prevent this #######.

P.S.: I saw Lou Dobbs interview with Nativo Lopez and also another interview when Lopez was on "Fox and Friends". This guy is a card carrying member of the lunatic fringe. He scratched his forehead with his middle finger on "Fox and Friends" and was very obnoxious during the entire interview. What a jerk!

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On CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on Monday, Dobbs was interviewing Nativo Lopez, president of the Mexican-American Political Association about his demand for "full immediate, unconditional legalization for all persons currently in the United States."

Dobbs posed this innocuous question about Lopez's planned boycott, "You're talking about a boycott of all illegal aliens in this country?"

Lopez exploded: "Well, first off, I refute your terminology. You don't say 'kike,' 'patty,' 'WOP,' OK. You don't say '***'! ... You're using language that's offensive to me and offensive to my people! ... You pollute the air every day, Dobbs. ... That language is offensive, it's derogatory, it's denigrating, and don't use that terminology to me again, referring to my people!"

Hilarious!

Indeed.

that dude is a 1st class chopf##k

[hahuhobrad 0]

and here we go with the personal attacks

NO one on this thread was attacking or bashing anyone, read it again, twice over if need be, the statement also about PR and mexico is a statement that PR isnt illegally forcing themselves in OUR country, then demanding ####### that isnt legal for them in the first place.

Plus this thread was for the topic, hence the fact i wrote the topic as it was.

If you take THAT much offence to it, then dont read it anymore.

again NO ONE was bashing ANYONE, it makes me laugh the way you took such offence to any of this. No to mention the immaturity of your use of language.

well get your fukcin facts straight.. 50% of mexico's population doesnt live in USA..

You're doing a fine job of representing the Mexican people! That must be why the Mexican society is advancing at such a fast fukcing pace.

[Keith & Xiang 0]

As I see it there are two issues at hand, ones that could be corrected with our youth at an early age.

The first issue is that the U.S. public schools need to teach the cultural differences between societies in other countries, this isn't happening. Our government loves the global economy, pushing for it for so many years but yet what does the average citizen know about other countries, only what's shown for the brief 10 second spotlight on the evening news.

The second issue is that we teach our children, or shall I say attempt to teach our children a second language at a much later age. Studies have shown that younger children are more apt to learn a seconde language at a very early age, perhaps teaching a second language in grade school (grades 1 - 6) would be best instead of waiting for the high school years.

I love what China does with their academics, they send their teachers abroad, to learn different teaching techniques from various countries and incorporate them into their own teachings. Has the United States ever thought of that? Has the United States ever considered that the education system in other countries are surpassing our own? It's time that our great nation stepped back and surveyed the other countries, take the best and incorporate in teachings and structure here as well.

Just my point of view. Imagine, if everyone learned and knew of the various other cultures, learned to appreciate them, learned the understanding, heck this way racism could seize to exist!!!

If what it took to get into politics was the heart, clear mind, understanding of the citizens issues and concerns, the drive to resolve their issues and concerns, an attempt to make the lives of each and every citizen a better one, job growth, health benefits to all, an understanding of world views and world events, equality for all and not just the elite few, this would be the canidate that I would vote for. As it now stands, those with the money get the vote, I want someone in office that got perfect 4.0's in school, I want someone in office that knows what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck, I want someone in office that knows a good days work and feels proud of having put in a good days work. I hope that I'm not shooting myself in the foot for my opinion here but we need someone in office that understands the day to day struggle of someone trying to make an honest, decent living. I have a start up company, I understand that life goes on with my employees, they get quartly reviews, lunches brought in from time to time, company picnics, health benefits, and if traffic keeps them from being "right on time", this happens, LIFE HAPPENS!!!

Yes, I too vent at times, just seems like the average Joe on the street can see both the problem and the resolution but nothing can be done.

Thank you,

Keith

[CarolineM 0]

The second issue is that we teach our children, or shall I say attempt to teach our children a second language at a much later age. Studies have shown that younger children are more apt to learn a seconde language at a very early age, perhaps teaching a second language in grade school (grades 1 - 6) would be best instead of waiting for the high school years

Yeah kinda. This is ideal for upper middle class schools and students. Having worked in an inner city school for five years, there is no way this is feasible. I'm all about reasing the bar, but right now these kids can't even learn to read and write in ENGLISH. They are so far behind that by the time they get to HS they are reading on a 5th grade level. NO this isn't just one or two kids. In my school we have the FCAT (Those in FL know what I'm talking about.) You take it your 9th grade year to see if you are reading on a 9th grade level ...so ON level. Of our 700 or so kids....only 5% are. That's it. But you want them to be fluent in another language?

Also - that is sort of a myth that kids learn faster. I mean, they do, but the level of stuff they learn is way lower than adults. As a child you only need simple words and grammar...but if you learn as an adult it's more complex. Just saying that a child has a lower level of communication to begin with so it's kinda like comparing apples and oranges.

As for culture I'm all for this IN THEORY too. If you tried to teach kids about every culture...which yuo'd have to or else you'd be leaving people out...you have NO TIME. To fully have kids appreciate other cultures there is no way. In high school - it's impossible to even get through AMerican History in one year...so add in EVERYONE's history in there...they'd never graduate. It's too broad and really not doable.

Edited July 19, 2006 by karo112

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

As I see it there are two issues at hand, ones that could be corrected with our youth at an early age.

The first issue is that the U.S. public schools need to teach the cultural differences between societies in other countries, this isn't happening. Our government loves the global economy, pushing for it for so many years but yet what does the average citizen know about other countries, only what's shown for the brief 10 second spotlight on the evening news.

The second issue is that we teach our children, or shall I say attempt to teach our children a second language at a much later age. Studies have shown that younger children are more apt to learn a seconde language at a very early age, perhaps teaching a second language in grade school (grades 1 - 6) would be best instead of waiting for the high school years.

I love what China does with their academics, they send their teachers abroad, to learn different teaching techniques from various countries and incorporate them into their own teachings. Has the United States ever thought of that? Has the United States ever considered that the education system in other countries are surpassing our own? It's time that our great nation stepped back and surveyed the other countries, take the best and incorporate in teachings and structure here as well.

Just my point of view. Imagine, if everyone learned and knew of the various other cultures, learned to appreciate them, learned the understanding, heck this way racism could seize to exist!!!

If what it took to get into politics was the heart, clear mind, understanding of the citizens issues and concerns, the drive to resolve their issues and concerns, an attempt to make the lives of each and every citizen a better one, job growth, health benefits to all, an understanding of world views and world events, equality for all and not just the elite few, this would be the canidate that I would vote for. As it now stands, those with the money get the vote, I want someone in office that got perfect 4.0's in school, I want someone in office that knows what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck, I want someone in office that knows a good days work and feels proud of having put in a good days work. I hope that I'm not shooting myself in the foot for my opinion here but we need someone in office that understands the day to day struggle of someone trying to make an honest, decent living. I have a start up company, I understand that life goes on with my employees, they get quartly reviews, lunches brought in from time to time, company picnics, health benefits, and if traffic keeps them from being "right on time", this happens, LIFE HAPPENS!!!

Yes, I too vent at times, just seems like the average Joe on the street can see both the problem and the resolution but nothing can be done.

Thank you,

Keith

What's this have to do with illegal immigration? The debate is over illegal immigrants, not immigrants.