South Park tonight 10PM EDT may show cartoon of Muhammad

[iceyspots 0]

Well.. my two cents is that cartoon went quite too far.. you can make all the comics you want about terrorists.. politicians.. nobody will care... but a prophet from God?

I mean obviously the dane who drew it was trying to provoke some sentiments, especially considering the political climate we have in the world right now...

After the Qu'ran flushing toilet thing, the pictures of naked Iraqi soldiers stacked on top of eachother... now this?...

Me and my fiancé are tree hugging peace-like muslims.. and we don't condone the riots and killing over the cartoon.. but sometimes you just know that you are going to get violence when you're degrading the prophet of the people with such a sensitive morale right now...

Idolatry is prohibited in Islam, and many know that.. but still draw.. but.. oh well.. life goes on.

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Idolatry is prohibited in Islam, and many know that.. but still draw.. but.. oh well.. life goes on.

Yes, idolatry is prohibited in Islam; the prohibitions do not apply to non-Muslims and it is extremely arrogant of anyone to suggest that they should.

[iceyspots 0]

Idolatry is prohibited in Islam, and many know that.. but still draw.. but.. oh well.. life goes on.

Yes, idolatry is prohibited in Islam; the prohibitions do not apply to non-Muslims and it is extremely arrogant of anyone to suggest that they should.

Idolatry with malicious intent is different than just plain idoltary.

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Idolatry is prohibited in Islam, and many know that.. but still draw.. but.. oh well.. life goes on.

Yes, idolatry is prohibited in Islam; the prohibitions do not apply to non-Muslims and it is extremely arrogant of anyone to suggest that they should.

Idolatry with malicious intent is different than just plain idoltary.

Either form of idolatry is not taboo in the West or in most non-Western secular societies. It is the height of arrogance to suggest that the taboos of the Middle East should apply to the actions of individuals in the West.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

We're our own worst enemy.

Violence is our worst enemy.

Gee, and here I thought the worst enemy award was reserved for either Walmart or Global Warming.

They're a close second and third.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Idolatry is prohibited in Islam, and many know that.. but still draw.. but.. oh well.. life goes on.

Yes, idolatry is prohibited in Islam; the prohibitions do not apply to non-Muslims and it is extremely arrogant of anyone to suggest that they should.

Idolatry with malicious intent is different than just plain idoltary.

Well, as long as the media in the Middle East prints cartoons with the obviously malicious intent of attacking others (mainly Jews) and nobody protests against that, this argument is quite shallow.

Edited April 14, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Seriously, though, what that court ruled has no bearing on our land, does it?

No, not yet. But we appease them enough and one day.. you never know.

That's true. Which is why I am very opposed to appeasing those that have no respect for the law and/or life and/or all those other things we hold dear.

Ultimately it depends on what values you choose to stand behind. Those cartoons don't speak for me - I don't believe they add anything but fuel racist misconceptions of the entire muslim world. It perpetuates similar misconceptions in the muslim world that the US and Europe are broadly 'anti-muslim'.

We're our own worst enemy.

I stand behind the value to see a cartoon for what it is: a cartoon. I choose not to stand behind setting buildings ablaze or killing people because some news media chooses to print a cartoon. And I choose not to stand behind those that try way too hard to make up apologies for criminal and fanatical elements.

Violence is our worst enemy.

Of course it is, but we both know that the cartoons were not the reason for those protests - they were used by extremists to validate what a lot of people in that region of the world already believe - that US and Europe is out to destroy their religion and persecute their people.

Granted arab media prints racist anti-semitic material - that's not in debate. But the fact that they do it does not justify us doing likewise. Its just sad that the issue became about free speech when there is much to be said about how our culture presents itself to the rest of the world.

[nina1 0]

"Well, as long as the media in the Middle East prints cartoons with the obviously malicious intent of attacking others (mainly Jews) and nobody protests against that, this argument is quite shallow."

ET-US2004, iceyspots DID say that you CAN make fun of terrorists/politicians, but not of prophets! Now this said, making cartoons about jews isn't the same as making fun of Moses. ANd making fun of Muslims isn't the same as making fun of Mohamed.. BESIDES, Muslims would never make cartoons about MOSES because HE IS THEIR PROPHET AS WELL!!

You need to compare apple with apple, not apple with orange!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"Well, as long as the media in the Middle East prints cartoons with the obviously malicious intent of attacking others (mainly Jews) and nobody protests against that, this argument is quite shallow."

ET-US2004, iceyspots DID say that you CAN make fun of terrorists/politicians, but not of prophets! Now this said, making cartoons about jews isn't the same as making fun of Moses. ANd making fun of Muslims isn't the same as making fun of Mohamed.. BESIDES, Muslims would never make cartoons about MOSES because HE IS THEIR PROPHET AS WELL!!

You need to compare apple with apple, not apple with orange!

There's also an issue of political correctness in there. Christians complain about people attacking their religion and beliefs and feel we should extend the same courteousy (or granted, lack of) to other religions.

Muslims, like other minority groups - blacks, womens, homosexuals, jews etc have historically been the target of discrimination in our society. Its an unwritten rule that those groups whom have been historically subjected to racism and discrimination have more of a voice when decrying it than the broad majority of European-descended white christians. That's just how it is. Ever wondered why it is that racism for example is classically thought of as a white on black thing? Ever wondered why sexual discrimination is taken more seriously for women than men?

Edited April 14, 2006 by Fishdude

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Well.. my two cents is that cartoon went quite too far.. you can make all the comics you want about terrorists.. politicians.. nobody will care... but a prophet from God?

I mean obviously the dane who drew it was trying to provoke some sentiments, especially considering the political climate we have in the world right now...

After the Qu'ran flushing toilet thing, the pictures of naked Iraqi soldiers stacked on top of eachother... now this?...

Me and my fiancé are tree hugging peace-like muslims.. and we don't condone the riots and killing over the cartoon.. but sometimes you just know that you are going to get violence when you're degrading the prophet of the people with such a sensitive morale right now...

Idolatry is prohibited in Islam, and many know that.. but still draw.. but.. oh well.. life goes on.

You condemn the cartoon but do you condemn the violence as a result of the cartoon?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You condemn the cartoon but do you condemn the violence as a result of the cartoon?

That's a yes for me.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

"Well, as long as the media in the Middle East prints cartoons with the obviously malicious intent of attacking others (mainly Jews) and nobody protests against that, this argument is quite shallow."

ET-US2004, iceyspots DID say that you CAN make fun of terrorists/politicians, but not of prophets! Now this said, making cartoons about jews isn't the same as making fun of Moses. ANd making fun of Muslims isn't the same as making fun of Mohamed.. BESIDES, Muslims would never make cartoons about MOSES because HE IS THEIR PROPHET AS WELL!!

You need to compare apple with apple, not apple with orange!

And I don't need them to cartoon anyone. Their choice. Fine with me. No problem. Headscarves. Their choice. Fine with me. No problem. Up to 5 wives. Their choice. Fine with me. No problem. 5 prayers a day. Their choice. Fine with me. No problem. The prophet. Their prophet. Their choice. Fine with me. No problem.

My cartoon. My choice. Not your problem.

Apples and Oranges? Not really. You just need to learn to respect my choices as much as you expect me to respect yours.

Edited April 14, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"Well, as long as the media in the Middle East prints cartoons with the obviously malicious intent of attacking others (mainly Jews) and nobody protests against that, this argument is quite shallow."

ET-US2004, iceyspots DID say that you CAN make fun of terrorists/politicians, but not of prophets! Now this said, making cartoons about jews isn't the same as making fun of Moses. ANd making fun of Muslims isn't the same as making fun of Mohamed.. BESIDES, Muslims would never make cartoons about MOSES because HE IS THEIR PROPHET AS WELL!!

You need to compare apple with apple, not apple with orange!

And I don't need them to cartoon anyone. Their choice. Fine with me. No problem. Headscarves. Their choice. Fine with me. No problem. Up to 5 wives. Their choice. Fine with me. No problem. 5 prayers a day. Their choice. Fine with me. No problem. The prophet. Their prophet. Their choice. Fine with me. No problem.

My cartoon. My choice. Not your problem.

Apples and Oranges? Not really. You just need to learn to respect my choices as much as you expect me to respect yours.

Even if our own choices sell ourselves short.

Granted that a lot of the people who went apeshit over those cartoons never saw them, granted that not every muslim is a fanatic who hates non-believers, granted that muslim countries contain a mixture of people with a mixture of political and religious views - is it fair to say perhaps that more people were offended by the cartoon than simply the people that took to the streets? People who views are perhaps not communicated by violent thugs?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Even if our own choices sell ourselves short.

Yes, even then.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Even if our own choices sell ourselves short.

Yes, even then.

Well as I said, those cartoons don't speak for me - just as those violent thugs don't speak for a lot of muslims.