Ted Nugent discusses the 2nd Amendment

[natty bumppo 297]

Agreed. That is why common sense comes into play here when we talk about requiring a license, gun locks, certain weapons being banned, etc. I'm glad we can agree on that - that the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment requires some common sense.

when you actually take the time to research gun locks and hold one ... and think about ways to defeat the lock ... the ways are really quite easy. your basic toolbox contents will normally hold the keys.

ban certain weapons ... like ? those you've claimed to have shot? by caliber? cosmetic appearance? media hype? hollywood? what criteria will be used? and why?

etc, etc ....

Common sense from people who have never held a gun is like men debating abortion.

I've held a gun. And common sense tells me that the gun I held - and similar pieces - are not of defensive or protective nature but rather built to attack. I don't think that anyone with common sense would advocate the proliferation of such guns. The NRA and it's supporters, however, seem to do just that.

Oh, and for the guy that seems to talk to the dead, I don't think the founding fathers had that type of "arm" in mind for the people to have a right to bear.

Whether a gun is defensive or offensive is subjective. Who says a gun shall be only defensive? A butter knife can be offensive. Anything can be offensive. Humans are dangerous not because of the tools we use but because of the brains that made them.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather come across someone with a dangerous brain wielding a butter knife than a gun.

Guess people have lost the imagination (brain power) to visit Home Depot ... gather simple house hold construction materials and then visit Target for a few everyday home use supplies. Guess after shopping ... and spending a few hours "crafting" .. someone can meet you with your butter knife (there will be no contest)... and all they used was their brain to use common materials (not designed to cause harm ... not like a knife) against your deadly weapon (butter knife)

Edited October 14, 2007 by Natty Bumppo

[Jenn! 918]

Agreed. That is why common sense comes into play here when we talk about requiring a license, gun locks, certain weapons being banned, etc. I'm glad we can agree on that - that the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment requires some common sense.

when you actually take the time to research gun locks and hold one ... and think about ways to defeat the lock ... the ways are really quite easy. your basic toolbox contents will normally hold the keys.

ban certain weapons ... like ? those you've claimed to have shot? by caliber? cosmetic appearance? media hype? hollywood? what criteria will be used? and why?

etc, etc ....

Common sense from people who have never held a gun is like men debating abortion.

I've held a gun. And common sense tells me that the gun I held - and similar pieces - are not of defensive or protective nature but rather built to attack. I don't think that anyone with common sense would advocate the proliferation of such guns. The NRA and it's supporters, however, seem to do just that.

Oh, and for the guy that seems to talk to the dead, I don't think the founding fathers had that type of "arm" in mind for the people to have a right to bear.

Whether a gun is defensive or offensive is subjective. Who says a gun shall be only defensive? A butter knife can be offensive. Anything can be offensive. Humans are dangerous not because of the tools we use but because of the brains that made them.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather come across someone with a dangerous brain wielding a butter knife than a gun.

Guess people have lost the imagination (brain power) to visit Home Depot ... gather simple house hold construction materials and then visit Target for a few everyday home use supplies. Guess after shopping ... and spending a few hours "crafting" .. someone can meet you with your butter knife (there will be no contest)... and all they used was their brain to use common materials (not designed to cause harm ... not like a knife) against your deadly weapon (butter knife)

I think you misunderstood. I would rather meet a crazy person who was holding a butter knife than meet a crazy person who was holding a gun.

Edited October 14, 2007 by Jenn!

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Common sense tells me that the ability to dispense multiple rounds a second is not exactly a feature of a defensive weapon. That might not be clear to you but it's fairly clear to me.

Multiple rounds a second? You don't know the first thing about semi-automatic weapons. Are you talking fully automatic weapons? Do you know the difference?

[natty bumppo 297]

Agreed. That is why common sense comes into play here when we talk about requiring a license, gun locks, certain weapons being banned, etc. I'm glad we can agree on that - that the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment requires some common sense.

when you actually take the time to research gun locks and hold one ... and think about ways to defeat the lock ... the ways are really quite easy. your basic toolbox contents will normally hold the keys.

ban certain weapons ... like ? those you've claimed to have shot? by caliber? cosmetic appearance? media hype? hollywood? what criteria will be used? and why?

etc, etc ....

Common sense from people who have never held a gun is like men debating abortion.

I've held a gun. And common sense tells me that the gun I held - and similar pieces - are not of defensive or protective nature but rather built to attack. I don't think that anyone with common sense would advocate the proliferation of such guns. The NRA and it's supporters, however, seem to do just that.

Oh, and for the guy that seems to talk to the dead, I don't think the founding fathers had that type of "arm" in mind for the people to have a right to bear.

Whether a gun is defensive or offensive is subjective. Who says a gun shall be only defensive? A butter knife can be offensive. Anything can be offensive. Humans are dangerous not because of the tools we use but because of the brains that made them.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather come across someone with a dangerous brain wielding a butter knife than a gun.

Guess people have lost the imagination (brain power) to visit Home Depot ... gather simple house hold construction materials and then visit Target for a few everyday home use supplies. Guess after shopping ... and spending a few hours "crafting" .. someone can meet you with your butter knife (there will be no contest)... and all they used was their brain to use common materials (not designed to cause harm ... not like a knife) against your deadly weapon (butter knife)

You misunderstood. I would rather meet a crazy person who was holding a butter knife than meet a crazy person who was holding a gun.

Duh.

Sorry ... crossed posts and answers on this one ... reading too many things at once.

Now that it's been posted ... it still remains ... why buy a gun ... when there is Home Depot and Target.

Common sense tells me that the ability to dispense multiple rounds a second is not exactly a feature of a defensive weapon. That might not be clear to you but it's fairly clear to me.

Multiple rounds a second? You don't know the first thing about semi-automatic weapons. Are you talking fully automatic weapons? Do you know the difference?

Or the laws pertaining to the ownership of either one ?

[natty bumppo 297]

Common sense tells me that the ability to dispense multiple rounds a second is not exactly a feature of a defensive weapon. That might not be clear to you but it's fairly clear to me.

Multiple rounds a second? You don't know the first thing about semi-automatic weapons. Are you talking fully automatic weapons? Do you know the difference?

Or the laws pertaining to the ownership of either one ?

unless he's talking about a shotgun ... and the quantity of shot (little round things) that exit the barrel when each round is fired.

[Cantankerous 0]

I've held a gun. And common sense tells me that the gun I held - and similar pieces - are not of defensive or protective nature but rather built to attack. I don't think that anyone with common sense would advocate the proliferation of such guns. The NRA and it's supporters, however, seem to do just that.

so a gun is made for offense (attack) ... not defense?

That's why they're commonly referred to as assault weapons. It might have escaped you but assault is nothing defensive.

Calling them Assault Weapons is typically a scare tactic and a label used by anti-gunners. If choose to Assault the bad guy in the process of defending myself and my family then too bad for him. If he gets time to count the bullets per second entering his body then I better work on my Gun Control and tighten up my pattern of fire.

I agree in using common sense… for starters, let’s enforce the laws we on the books right now. Then I’m going to start a campaign to bring back public hangings and putting people’s heads on a stick. I really do think that would start reducing crime in a hurry.

[Jenn! 918]

Sorry ... crossed posts and answers on this one ... reading too many things at once.

Now that it's been posted ... it still remains ... why buy a gun ... when there is Home Depot and Target.

So are you admitting that there is a fundamental difference between tools that can be bought at Home Depot and Target and a gun?

I guess my position on all of this comes from the fact that I would not feel comfortable owning a gun nor using one to protect myself. I know to some that might not make any sense, but it's just how it is for me. Now, seeing that I am, therefore, fairly defenseless when going about my daily business (though I could do some serious damage with my nails), I feel safer in a society with fewer guns. For example, when I lived in Italy, there were far fewer violent crimes. Walking by myself at night, my biggest worry was a purse snatching (which did happen to me once btw). On the other hand, walking by myself here at night, I fear being mugged at gunpoint, or carjacked.

I don't expect everyone to agree. Heck, I've got several family members who are members of the NRA. I've even fired an AR-15. I just don't like guns.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Common sense tells me that the ability to dispense multiple rounds a second is not exactly a feature of a defensive weapon. That might not be clear to you but it's fairly clear to me.

Multiple rounds a second? You don't know the first thing about semi-automatic weapons. Are you talking fully automatic weapons? Do you know the difference?

The fully automatic is the only gun I ever held. You said that you were looking for the common sense not from someone that never held a gun but from a man that has held a gun. So there you have it.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I've held a gun. And common sense tells me that the gun I held - and similar pieces - are not of defensive or protective nature but rather built to attack. I don't think that anyone with common sense would advocate the proliferation of such guns. The NRA and it's supporters, however, seem to do just that.

so a gun is made for offense (attack) ... not defense?

That's why they're commonly referred to as assault weapons. It might have escaped you but assault is nothing defensive.

Calling them Assault Weapons is typically a scare tactic and a label used by anti-gunners.

Nonsense. There are guns that are specifically designed as assault weapons. You can live in denial all you want but the fact remains the same.

[natty bumppo 297]

Sorry ... crossed posts and answers on this one ... reading too many things at once.

Now that it's been posted ... it still remains ... why buy a gun ... when there is Home Depot and Target.

So are you admitting that there is a fundamental difference between tools that can be bought at Home Depot and Target and a gun?

I guess my position on all of this comes from the fact that I would not feel comfortable owning a gun nor using one to protect myself. I know to some that might not make any sense, but it's just how it is for me. Now, seeing that I am, therefore, fairly defenseless when going about my daily business (though I could do some serious damage with my nails), I feel safer in a society with fewer guns. For example, when I lived in Italy, there were far fewer violent crimes. Walking by myself at night, my biggest worry was a purse snatching (which did happen to me once btw). On the other hand, walking by myself here at night, I fear being mugged at gunpoint, or carjacked.

I don't expect everyone to agree. Heck, I've got several family members who are members of the NRA. I've even fired an AR-15. I just don't like guns.

I'm saying they are all tools ... period. how they are used is an intentional action of the user ... period.

It is the individual ... not the tool that makes the tool cause harm to others.

fwiw: I wasn't talking about tools at home depot ... but simple building materials that can be constructed into something else ...

[Jenn! 918]

Sorry ... crossed posts and answers on this one ... reading too many things at once.

Now that it's been posted ... it still remains ... why buy a gun ... when there is Home Depot and Target.

So are you admitting that there is a fundamental difference between tools that can be bought at Home Depot and Target and a gun?

I guess my position on all of this comes from the fact that I would not feel comfortable owning a gun nor using one to protect myself. I know to some that might not make any sense, but it's just how it is for me. Now, seeing that I am, therefore, fairly defenseless when going about my daily business (though I could do some serious damage with my nails), I feel safer in a society with fewer guns. For example, when I lived in Italy, there were far fewer violent crimes. Walking by myself at night, my biggest worry was a purse snatching (which did happen to me once btw). On the other hand, walking by myself here at night, I fear being mugged at gunpoint, or carjacked.

I don't expect everyone to agree. Heck, I've got several family members who are members of the NRA. I've even fired an AR-15. I just don't like guns.

I'm saying they are all tools ... period. how they are used is an intentional action of the user ... period.

It is the individual ... not the tool that makes the tool cause harm to others.

fwiw: I wasn't talking about tools at home depot ... but simple building materials that can be constructed into something else ...

Of course. But can you admit that some tools are more deadly than others? I think you did when you made fun of my deadly butter knife!

Edited October 14, 2007 by Jenn!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Of course. But can you admit that some tools our more deadly than others? I think you did when you made fun of my deadly butter knife!

They know. And they choose to live in denial.

[natty bumppo 297]

Of course. But can you admit that some tools our more deadly than others? I think you did when you made fun of my deadly butter knife!

Depends on the use ...

butter knife vs powered toaster into water ...

butter knife vs fertilizer + fuel

butter knife vs chefs knife

spit ball vs rubberband + paperclip

wasn't trying to make fun of it or hurt your feelings ... just trying to say everyone fixates on guns and not the other part ... responsibility and respect for life

Bringing your earlier comment here :

"I don't know about you, but I'd rather come across someone with a dangerous brain wielding a butter knife than a gun."

Just food for thought ... a dangerous brain can be more dangerous than a gun. remember 9/11 ? Where were the guns?

Edited October 14, 2007 by Natty Bumppo

[Jenn! 918]

Of course. But can you admit that some tools our more deadly than others? I think you did when you made fun of my deadly butter knife!

Depends on the use ...

butter knife vs powered toaster into water ...

butter knife vs fertilizer + fuel

butter knife vs chefs knife

spit ball vs rubberband + paperclip

wasn't trying to make fun of it or hurt your feelings ... just trying to say everyone fixates on guns and not the other part ... responsibility and respect for life

Bringing your earlier comment here :

"I don't know about you, but I'd rather come across someone with a dangerous brain wielding a butter knife than a gun."

Just food for thought ... a dangerous brain can be more dangerous than a gun. remember 9/11 ? Where were the guns?

I've never seen anyone here deny personal responsibility or in any way try to claim that guns fire themselves and there is no person behind the finger on the trigger.

Why do you feel the need to own a gun when a butter knife would be just as effective?

[natty bumppo 297]

Of course. But can you admit that some tools our more deadly than others? I think you did when you made fun of my deadly butter knife!

Depends on the use ...

butter knife vs powered toaster into water ...

butter knife vs fertilizer + fuel

butter knife vs chefs knife

spit ball vs rubberband + paperclip

wasn't trying to make fun of it or hurt your feelings ... just trying to say everyone fixates on guns and not the other part ... responsibility and respect for life

Bringing your earlier comment here :

"I don't know about you, but I'd rather come across someone with a dangerous brain wielding a butter knife than a gun."

Just food for thought ... a dangerous brain can be more dangerous than a gun. remember 9/11 ? Where were the guns?

I've never seen anyone here deny personal responsibility or in any way try to claim that guns fire themselves and there is no person behind the finger on the trigger.

Why do you feel the need to own a gun when a butter knife would be just as effective?

Maybe you missed the "drunk driver" issue yesterday. There was lots of denial about responsibility there. Some consider being drunk, driving, and killing someone is an accident. The drunk had no responsibility ... the drunk did not intend to kill someone.

Please don't mix protecting yourself with a premeditated attack on an unsuspecting person.

To answer your question ... if I'm attacked by bigger ... stronger person(s) I want the ability to have the upper hand and survive the issue, I'll take the gun and let the attacker wish they had stayed home and watched Opra. I want to live and enjoy my wife and child.

Which would you rather have when attacked? A gun or butter knife?

Note: It's you or the other person ... there are only two choices here. 911 only arrives after the fact .. if you lived to call them

Edited October 14, 2007 by Natty Bumppo