Ohio school gunman kills self, wounds 4

[SMOKE 1,426]

i dunno the stats but i'm willing to bet more people are killed by cars than firearms. yet some people want to rewrite the constitution & take guns away from responsible people to keep them out of the wrong peoples hands.( i doubt the wrong folks will run right down to turn their guns in) and not mandate safe guards (in car breath test etc.) in every vehicle. to keep them out of the wrong hands. maybe i'm wrong but i don't understand this.

I'm willing to bet that there are more murders in which a gun, rather than a car is the murder weapon.

I've yet to be mugged by someone threatening me with a car.

you including neglegent(??spelling) homicide? & drunk driver? bet the house

No I was talking 'pre-meditated murder' There's a legal distinction.

As I said previously - including drunk driving as a form of homicide merely makes stupid or incompetent drivers pay the same price as if they went out with the intent. They didn't - and I can see the difference even if you can't.

but, you don't see a diff between stupid/incompetent & responsible gun owners?

[natty bumppo 297]

simple ... was the car the instrument to kill ... yes or no ?

Not really - the kid was killed when she was thrown from the car. She wasn't hit 'by it'.

oh ... so the car had absolutely nothing to do with being killed ??

sad ... sad ... comment there ... sorry ... the car was involved.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i dunno the stats but i'm willing to bet more people are killed by cars than firearms. yet some people want to rewrite the constitution & take guns away from responsible people to keep them out of the wrong peoples hands.( i doubt the wrong folks will run right down to turn their guns in) and not mandate safe guards (in car breath test etc.) in every vehicle. to keep them out of the wrong hands. maybe i'm wrong but i don't understand this.

I'm willing to bet that there are more murders in which a gun, rather than a car is the murder weapon.

I've yet to be mugged by someone threatening me with a car.

you including neglegent(??spelling) homicide? & drunk driver? bet the house

No I was talking 'pre-meditated murder' There's a legal distinction.

As I said previously - including drunk driving as a form of homicide merely makes stupid or incompetent drivers pay the same price as if they went out with the intent. They didn't - and I can see the difference even if you can't.

but, you don't see a diff between stupid/incompetent & responsible gun owners?

Have you driven your gun to work lately?

[Peggy 1]

This school shooting stuff has to stop.

Every other day another kid is going nuts with a gun at his school.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

simple ... was the car the instrument to kill ... yes or no ?

Not really - the kid was killed when she was thrown from the car. She wasn't hit 'by it'.

oh ... so the car had absolutely nothing to do with being killed ??

sad ... sad ... comment there ... sorry ... the car was involved.

You like the :wacko: smiley don't you?

Yeah she was thrown out of the car... onto some bullets...

[one...two...tree 2,762]

steven, i see you are here, take over. i've got a convoy to go sink in silent hunter III.

Which direction am I suppose to run with the ball?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This school shooting stuff has to stop.

Every other day another kid is going nuts with a gun at his school.

It won't stop until parents are held to account.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i dunno the stats but i'm willing to bet more people are killed by cars than firearms. yet some people want to rewrite the constitution & take guns away from responsible people to keep them out of the wrong peoples hands.( i doubt the wrong folks will run right down to turn their guns in) and not mandate safe guards (in car breath test etc.) in every vehicle. to keep them out of the wrong hands. maybe i'm wrong but i don't understand this.

I'm willing to bet that there are more murders in which a gun, rather than a car is the murder weapon.

I've yet to be mugged by someone threatening me with a car.

you including neglegent(??spelling) homicide? & drunk driver? bet the house

No I was talking 'pre-meditated murder' There's a legal distinction.

As I said previously - including drunk driving as a form of homicide merely makes stupid or incompetent drivers pay the same price as if they went out with the intent. They didn't - and I can see the difference even if you can't.

but, you don't see a diff between stupid/incompetent & responsible gun owners?

Have you driven your gun to work lately?

From which you might ask - is a gun necessary to daily life? I'm not certain that it is...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

steven, i see you are here, take over. i've got a convoy to go sink in silent hunter III.

Which direction am I suppose to run with the ball?

We'd expect a sophisticated maneuver. Run pro for ten posts and then make them appear to be con in the next three.

[SMOKE 1,426]

the primary purpose of a gun is to provide protection...

How's a gun providing protection? What characteristic of the gun makes it protective?

wanna guess what will happen if someone tries to break in to my or charles' house to harm our families?

That has a pretty threatening tone to it. Which leads me to believe that what you're essentially saying is that the protective purpose is really merely a derivative of the gun's primary purpose - which is to harm or kill. Which is all I've been saying all along.

no. don't spin it to fit your needs. the gun is there to protect. if the person wasn't trying to do harm in the first place no harm would come to them.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Gun locks. Make a gun owner criminally liable in situations where gross negligence can be proven.

[natty bumppo 297]

I see, in your little bubble, cars are made to kill. What color is the sky in that bubble of yours?

a gun is a tool. just like a nail gun, it can hurt, maim, or kill if used irresponsibly.

and btw, downstairs are about 20 guns, grand total so far is about 500 years collectively that i know of that they've not killed anyone

And yet, the primary purpose of all of them is precisely that whether you want to acknowledge that simple fact or not.

A tool. Like a nail gun? Is that the best you got? Can you build something using a gun?

oh ... does this mean a nail gun can't kill ??

beware of technology in use ... "you could get nailed" ...

[SMOKE 1,426]

Have you driven your gun to work lately?

everyday, i have a concealed carry licence...because the law says i can.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

the primary purpose of a gun is to provide protection...

How's a gun providing protection? What characteristic of the gun makes it protective?

wanna guess what will happen if someone tries to break in to my or charles' house to harm our families?

That has a pretty threatening tone to it. Which leads me to believe that what you're essentially saying is that the protective purpose is really merely a derivative of the gun's primary purpose - which is to harm or kill. Which is all I've been saying all along.

no. don't spin it to fit your needs. the gun is there to protect. if the person wasn't trying to do harm in the first place no harm would come to them.

Sure... protection via the threat of causing serious or life-threatening harm. That's the reality. You're just being selective about who you'd point the gun at.

I see, in your little bubble, cars are made to kill. What color is the sky in that bubble of yours?

a gun is a tool. just like a nail gun, it can hurt, maim, or kill if used irresponsibly.

and btw, downstairs are about 20 guns, grand total so far is about 500 years collectively that i know of that they've not killed anyone

And yet, the primary purpose of all of them is precisely that whether you want to acknowledge that simple fact or not.

A tool. Like a nail gun? Is that the best you got? Can you build something using a gun?

oh ... does this mean a nail gun can't kill ??

beware of technology in use ... "you could get nailed" ...

Could you do a Virginia Tech with a car, hammer or a nail gun?

Be honest... It requires a 'yes' or a 'no'. No biggie...

[SMOKE 1,426]

This school shooting stuff has to stop.

Every other day another kid is going nuts with a gun at his school.

It won't stop until parents are held to account.

we agree on that one. but, we don't agree on taking guns away from responsible people.