Ohio school gunman kills self, wounds 4

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No, the problem is that you seem to want to fudge the distinction between guns (designed to kill and efficient at so doing) and other items, not designed to kill and therefore less effective. How much less effective? Well, a lot less really, that's why guns haven't so far been replaced by any of these household objects when it comes to armed combat.

If x takes his car/plastic bag/knife/base ball bat and sets out to wreak havoc he is going to be less successful than his gun toting counterpart. To argue otherwise is to be blind to what a gun is in my opinion.

Exactly.

You are entitled to your opinion ... and imagination too.

To use these other items "tools" to wreak havoc is only limited by the individuals imagination and will ... think about this.

The argument is with yourself ... who is disputing what a gun is? You?

You actually. You don't seem to want to admit the purpose for which it was designed and intended.

really? ... I thought we were talking about personal responsibility and how another object/ intention could be misused.

And as I keep telling you there is no personal responsibility when you're dealing with a psychopath. Its irrelevant terminology.

Take your 'tool' through airport security and argue the toss with them about 'oh but, my gun is not going to harm you unless I act recklessly' That'll go down a treat.

Remember it's not a weapon though - its a tool for drilling holes in things and a hammer for knocking nails into walls

[natty bumppo 297]

If you use a kitchen knife as a weapon, it is a weapon.

How do you practically use a gun in any way that it is not a weapon?

A gun, no matter how you slice it, was created to injure or kill another live target -- unless you're skeet shooting or merely "practicing," in which you'll be firing at inanimate paper screens. The usual target, however, is either an animal or a human being. Both are living, breathing creatures and the objective of the gun is (as stated before) to wound or kill them.

I have absolutely no problem with the responsible use of guns and sports shooting comes into that category, ....

I didn't say it .... what weapon ?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If you use a kitchen knife as a weapon, it is a weapon.

How do you practically use a gun in any way that it is not a weapon?

A gun, no matter how you slice it, was created to injure or kill another live target -- unless you're skeet shooting or merely "practicing," in which you'll be firing at inanimate paper screens. The usual target, however, is either an animal or a human being. Both are living, breathing creatures and the objective of the gun is (as stated before) to wound or kill them.

I have absolutely no problem with the responsible use of guns and sports shooting comes into that category, ....

I didn't say it .... what weapon ?

Its still fundamentally a weapon - you can't quibble about its essential nature based on who you point it at.

[natty bumppo 297]

Why guns are so dangerous is their ability to inflict a lot of death and destruction in a very short amount of time, they are designed like that because they are...ta dah, weapons!

Take your 'tool' through airport security and argue the toss with them about 'oh but, my gun is not going to harm you unless I act recklessly' That'll go down a treat.

don't forget to take you kitchen tool designed for cutting bread ... knife ... through the same place. I think the results will be the same ...

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

target shooting, as previously mentioned.

and btw, i've not fired my rifles in over 10 years. same for most of my firearms,

Well you're still using it as a weapon - even if you're shooting it at an inanimate target.

yeah, i do believe you're right. i'm certain peta will show up

[natty bumppo 297]

If you use a kitchen knife as a weapon, it is a weapon.

How do you practically use a gun in any way that it is not a weapon?

A gun, no matter how you slice it, was created to injure or kill another live target -- unless you're skeet shooting or merely "practicing," in which you'll be firing at inanimate paper screens. The usual target, however, is either an animal or a human being. Both are living, breathing creatures and the objective of the gun is (as stated before) to wound or kill them.

I have absolutely no problem with the responsible use of guns and sports shooting comes into that category, ....

I didn't say it .... what weapon ?

Its still fundamentally a weapon - you can't quibble about its essential nature based on who you point it at.

I'n not the one who classified the gun in the examples above as "non weapon" ... others did. notice ?

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

Why guns are so dangerous is their ability to inflict a lot of death and destruction in a very short amount of time, they are designed like that because they are...ta dah, weapons!

Take your 'tool' through airport security and argue the toss with them about 'oh but, my gun is not going to harm you unless I act recklessly' That'll go down a treat.

same thing applies to box cutters

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If you use a kitchen knife as a weapon, it is a weapon.

How do you practically use a gun in any way that it is not a weapon?

A gun, no matter how you slice it, was created to injure or kill another live target -- unless you're skeet shooting or merely "practicing," in which you'll be firing at inanimate paper screens. The usual target, however, is either an animal or a human being. Both are living, breathing creatures and the objective of the gun is (as stated before) to wound or kill them.

I have absolutely no problem with the responsible use of guns and sports shooting comes into that category, ....

I didn't say it .... what weapon ?

Its still fundamentally a weapon - you can't quibble about its essential nature based on who you point it at.

I'n not the one who classified the gun in the examples above as "non weapon" ... others did. notice ?

So what? Doesn't mean we all agree.

[Peikko 1,575]

I have never before seen such a flogged horse on VJ. R.I.P Neddy!

[natty bumppo 297]

Why guns are so dangerous is their ability to inflict a lot of death and destruction in a very short amount of time, they are designed like that because they are...ta dah, weapons!

Take your 'tool' through airport security and argue the toss with them about 'oh but, my gun is not going to harm you unless I act recklessly' That'll go down a treat.

same thing applies to box cutters

and ...

Axes, Baseball bats, Bull whips, Cattle prods, Corkscrews, Cricket bats, Crow bars, Golf clubs, Hammers, Hockey sticks, Ice axe/Ice pick, Metal scissors with pointed tips, Pool cues, Portable power drills, Portable power saws, Religious knives, Screwdrivers, Ski poles

oh yea don't forget ... bottled water ... food

lots of weapons here ...

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

I have never before seen such a flogged horse on VJ. R.I.P Neddy!

so that's why you have on that dominatrix outfit tonight

[Peikko 1,575]

I'm about to get my plastic bag out, and put him out of his misery.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

I'm about to get my plastic bag out, and put him out of his misery.

your husband?

[Peikko 1,575]

:P My husband is not called Neddy. He is not miserable, he rather favours the dominatrix look.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm about to get my plastic bag out, and put him out of his misery.

your husband?

You made me spill my drink! Damn.