Ohio school gunman kills self, wounds 4

[natty bumppo 297]

the primary purpose of a gun is to provide protection...

How's a gun providing protection? What characteristic of the gun makes it protective?

you're a burglar. would you break into a house where you know the owner is a gunowner?

you're a carjacker. you see some petite woman getting into her car and she has a gun on her hip. would you try to carjack her?

Thanks for illustrating my point.

actually, your inability to answer that question proves mine. proof of protection - game - set - match.

Actually no. I didn't think that I have to spell out the obvious for you.

Need an answer?

No, because the gun is a device specifically designed to and capable of inflicting fatal harm on me.

No, because the gun is a device specifically designed to and capable of inflicting fatal harm on me.

There. Happy?

see, it proves that you'd think twice about trying something like that with someone who is armed. proof of protection.

So, you only read the first two letters of my answer.

ETA: I never argued that people do not consider their guns a protective device but it can be considered and serves as such only as a derivative of it's primary purpose which is to inflict bodily harm. Without that primary purpose, the gun wouldn't serve well as a protective device. Not more so than a rock.

actully if you spend time to think a little ...

try target shooting sometime ... or loading your own ... or BP ... muzzle load or BPCR ... trap .. skeet …

these take no effort or concentration ? you need to get out more.

think outside the box and more into mathematics/ physics

sorry ... the gameboy isn't the same ...

No shite, Sherlock. If you must know, I've worn a uniform in my younger years and thus carried and fired a gun. The good ole' AK-47 no less.

got a rise did I ?

and yes ... I've fired my share of firearms too .. the point is ????

[Fandango 1,439]

can you guys all trim your quotes please?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Natty - perhaps you could wake us up when you have a specific argument - rather than distortive, irrelevant generalisations and relativisms.

Edited October 12, 2007 by Number 6

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

can you guys all trim your quotes please?

i refuse to trim! that's gay!

oh quotes

[Fandango 1,439]

can you guys all trim your quotes please?

i refuse to trim! that's gay!

oh quotes

oh you just need to stawp that right now.

Re: the quotes....one or two back oughta do it, no? All these quotes within quotes within quotes is making my scrolling finger hurt. Then I forget who's sayin what, and I'm havin to scroll back up. It's irritating!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It's irritating!

So it works.

[Fandango 1,439]

It's irritating!

So it works.

Oi!

It doesn't take much these days for me, R

[natty bumppo 297]

Natty - perhaps you could wake us up when you have a specific argument - rather than distortive, irrelevant generalisations and relativisms.

is making a point or specific argument something like this ...

No shite, Sherlock. If you must know, I've worn a uniform in my younger years and thus carried and fired a gun. The good ole' AK-47 no less.

wow ... having firing a gun ... sorry .... rifle ... makes a point?

LisaD

Sorry ... just trying to keep up while talking to my wife on Skype and doing chores.

forgiveness ... just this once ... well maybe for today? ... please ???

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

It's irritating!

So it works.

[Fandango 1,439]

forgiveness ... just this once ... well maybe for today? ... please ???

But of course, my friend!

*shakes fist @ C*

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Natty - perhaps you could wake us up when you have a specific argument - rather than distortive, irrelevant generalisations and relativisms.

How the he!!, is he suppose to wake you up? You really need to spend more time with yourself! Fckin "IVORY TOWER"bull shite! You really should spend more time in the dirt of life! Your comfort thrives on anynimity! Correcting others is your defense. Your education is only as good as the people you quote and not of your sprirt. Your opinion is derived from others and not from your heart. Living through the written word that you read is theirs "not yours".

Natty stand tall,you are you! Never let a twister of words change your heart.

Edited October 12, 2007 by CarolsMarc

[Peikko 1,575]

Why are the gun owners being so coy as to what a gun is? They are designed to protect? Pull the other one, it's got bells on. Guns were designed with the express purpose to kill and maim. Armour is designed to protect. Anyone who owns guns and hides behind the 'it's simply a tool' argument is not someone I would call responsible. I am also somewhat shocked by the rather lax way some people appear to be saying they keep their guns at home. I guess most armies are pretty stupid for having such strict rules for when/how guns and ammunition are stored and used when not in combat zones? Or maybe I have that wrong, weapons are just allowed to lie around in barracks because everyone is so responsible and knows how to handle guns so rules aren't necessary?

As for the guns are lethal weapons thing, well, maybe we should suggest our troops put away their silly guns and start ramming the terrorists with the more deadly Toyota Camry.

[natty bumppo 297]

forgiveness ... just this once ... well maybe for today? ... please ???

But of course, my friend!

*shakes fist @ C*

thanks ..

I try .. only sometimes ... well ... please remeber I am a guy

[natty bumppo 297]

Why are the gun owners being so coy as to what a gun is? They are designed to protect? Pull the other one, it's got bells on. Guns were designed with the express purpose to kill and maim. Armour is designed to protect. Anyone who owns guns and hides behind the 'it's simply a tool' argument is not someone I would call responsible. I am also somewhat shocked by the rather lax way some people appear to be saying they keep their guns at home. I guess most armies are pretty stupid for having such strict rules for when/how guns and ammunition are stored and used when not in combat zones? Or maybe I have that wrong, weapons are just allowed to lie around in barracks because everyone is so responsible and knows how to handle guns so rules aren't necessary?

As for the guns are lethal weapons thing, well, maybe we should suggest our troops put away their silly guns and start ramming the terrorists with the more deadly Toyota Camry.

Really .. how does this equate to my home or those of people I associate with?

Does this mean private firearm owners might be better than most armed forces? Or others in other lands in exibiting firearm handling skills?

[Peikko 1,575]

I am suggesting that the army to the best of my understanding (and please interject if I am wrong in my perceptions) has very clear rules and regulations about gun handling, which do not entail leaving them lying around with only the threat of disciplinary action to protect against misuse (I would have thought army disciplinary action is about as tough as it gets, but here again I could be wrong)

That they are professional gun owners and feel this is the safest way to handle guns should surely send some kind of message to all gun owners. If you are suggesting that you or your mates know better than the armed forces, then I am suggesting that you and your mates might not be as responsible as you think you are.