Funny Stories

[Buck and Natalia 0]

Gotta say though, Russian men aren't exactly helping their cause. Every time I went to a night club, the dance floor was always filled with about 90% women, 10% men. All of the other men were sitting at tables huddled around themselves, getting drunk and completely ignoring the women. The night Nadya and I went out on a double date with her roommate, the roommate's boyfriend absolutely would not dance with her. I really didn't understand that at all.

That's just simple supply and demand. Over there, it's the women going to night clubs "trolling" for men.

My understanding and observation is that russian women usually fast dance together while the russian men "reserve" themselves for the slow dances with the women. The men will watch the women fast dance and, if they see one they like, they will ask her for a slow dance. Is that really the way it works? C'mon russian women (and men) .... we are waiting for you to tell us how it really is?

[Kotenochek 0]

Gotta say though, Russian men aren't exactly helping their cause. Every time I went to a night club, the dance floor was always filled with about 90% women, 10% men. All of the other men were sitting at tables huddled around themselves, getting drunk and completely ignoring the women. The night Nadya and I went out on a double date with her roommate, the roommate's boyfriend absolutely would not dance with her. I really didn't understand that at all.

That's just simple supply and demand. Over there, it's the women going to night clubs "trolling" for men.

My understanding and observation is that russian women usually fast dance together while the russian men "reserve" themselves for the slow dances with the women. The men will watch the women fast dance and, if they see one they like, they will ask her for a slow dance. Is that really the way it works? C'mon russian women (and men) .... we are waiting for you to tell us how it really is?

Yes thats how it works.guys watching and then coming up..but again most of girls in Russia go to dance in club,not to hook up with men..I know sounds insane for americans.My husband did not believe me at start too.But thats true,i would go with my girls just to dance all night long till we fall over.and believe me or not without drinking alcohol at all.it helps to loose few pounds a night and relieve stress.

and normal girls never leave phone numbers and hook up at club,.guys there are nasty..i am talking again about Moscow..We used to go to the club fabriq.

[katya_and_besik 0]

Yes thats how it works.guys watching and then coming up..but again most of girls in Russia go to dance in club,not to hook up with men..I know sounds insane for americans.My husband did not believe me at start too.But thats true,i would go with my girls just to dance all night long till we fall over.and believe me or not without drinking alcohol at all.it helps to loose few pounds a night and relieve stress.

and normal girls never leave phone numbers and hook up at club,.guys there are nasty..i am talking again about Moscow..We used to go to the club fabriq.

We would let guys pay for our drinks, give them fake phone numbers and then escape... that was fun

Rule #1 Do not ever hope to meet a normal guy in a club, because all those beasts wanna do is f%$k you

Edited October 16, 2007 by katya_and_besik

[slim 1,525]

Basically, the roles in Russian night clubs are reversed from those here.

You could compare the semi-sober Russian male to the overweight, but yet, semi-attractive American female. "They all get prettier at closing time." (The Russian equivalent to this would be "well, he's sober enough for his equipment to still function.")

Since this is the "stories" thread, I'll share a story from Moscow that pertains to the issue at hand. Whilst drinking a few too many beers with some new friends in the park across from the Pushkinskaya McDonald's, my buddy and I were amazed when the guys in our group (about 6 of us) encouraged us to accompany them down to Red Square so they could show us the sites of their country. They had two pretty nice looking girls with them, and the girls wanted the two guys they were with to take them home. The guys said a few words to them, hailed them a cab, then sent them on their way and said "Come on, let's go!"

My buddy and I couldn't believe that these young men had just dismissed two young women that were obviously only interested in the one thing most American guys go to a night club for, casual sex. We were like "are you guys serious? You're going to go walking down the street, drinking beer and singing songs, with more DUDES as opposed to taking those girls home and doing nasty things with them?"

I will never forget their reply, and to this day I believe it sums up the current state of affairs for young attractive women in Russia. They said "those are just b!tches. We only just met them last night. Anyways, we will find more tonight!" My buddy and I were like "you mean you just let them go, knowing they were going to have sex with you guys.... you just told them you'd see them later?" And they said "Of course. And anyway, we never will see them later. There are so many more, those girls were nothing anyway. They were just $luts we met in a club. There are much hotter and better ones out there. You'll see when we take you guys with us to the club tonight."

And they were right. There were more.

Now I'm not going to say that's the way it is everywhere in Russia. But, I've known a lot of girls from a lot of different places in Russia and they've all told me pretty much the same story; "Russian men have better things to do than pay attention to the women." A (single) man with a decent job that stays sober most of the time and doesn't beat them up isn't exactly easy to find. They are out there, but there are way more gorgeous girls that stay sober and don't eat all the time.

Edited: For all those offended by the content or language of this post, I presented it as it happened for the sake of illustrating the reality of what I saw while in the presence of real people. If you're offended by reality, please don't partake in it.

Edited October 16, 2007 by slim

[Kotenochek 0]

Basically, the roles in Russian night clubs are reversed from those here.

You could compare the semi-sober Russian male to the overweight, but yet, semi-attractive American female. "They all get prettier at closing time." (The Russian equivalent to this would be "well, he's sober enough for his equipment to still function.")

Since this is the "stories" thread, I'll share a story from Moscow that pertains to the issue at hand. Whilst drinking a few too many beers with some new friends in the park across from the Pushkinskaya McDonald's, my buddy and I were amazed when the guys in our group (about 6 of us) encouraged us to accompany them down to Red Square so they could show us the sites of their country. They had two pretty nice looking girls with them, and the girls wanted the two guys they were with to take them home. The guys said a few words to them, hailed them a cab, then sent them on their way and said "Come on, let's go!"

My buddy and I couldn't believe that these young men had just dismissed two young women that were obviously only interested in the one thing most American guys go to a night club for, casual sex. We were like "are you guys serious? You're going to go walking down the street, drinking beer and singing songs, with more DUDES as opposed to taking those girls home and doing nasty things with them?"

I will never forget their reply, and to this day I believe it sums up the current state of affairs for young attractive women in Russia. They said "those are just b!tches. We only just met them last night. Anyways, we will find more tonight!" My buddy and I were like "you mean you just let them go, knowing they were going to have sex with you guys.... you just told them you'd see them later?" And they said "Of course. And anyway, we never will see them later. There are so many more, those girls were nothing anyway. They were just $luts we met in a club. There are much hotter and better ones out there. You'll see when we take you guys with us to the club tonight."

And they were right. There were more.

Now I'm not going to say that's the way it is everywhere in Russia. But, I've known a lot of girls from a lot of different places in Russia and they've all told me pretty much the same story; "Russian men have better things to do than pay attention to the women." A (single) man with a decent job that stays sober most of the time and doesn't beat them up isn't exactly easy to find. They are out there, but there are way more gorgeous girls that stay sober and don't eat all the time.

Edited: For all those offended by the content or language of this post, I presented it as it happened for the sake of illustrating the reality of what I saw while in the presence of real people. If you're offended by reality, please don't partake in it.

Well since women followed those guys from club they probably were bitches..

Good girls just catch a taxi around 2-3 am and go home,they dont wait till the club closing at 7 am.

Sometimes if we were just 2 girls we would wait till 6 am because its safer to leave once metro is working.

again for most of good girls it happens few times a year,not every single week end!!!

Men?Yes it is a problem in russia,why you think we marry american men?lol

No you are wrong,not for money:)))))russians are very rich!!!at least in moscow they are.

[Buck and Natalia 0]

Why is it that russian men have such a cavalier (don't care so much) attitude towards Russian women? I have observed that many (not all) Russian men shy away from family responsibilities and let the women bear most of the load. In fact, I think Russian women do most of the real work anyways..... at home, on the job, wherever. My fiancee says that she knows how to cure many of Russia's ills. Just let Russian women run the country. [Probably not a bad idea for the USA also.... Hillary Clinton excepted.] From what I observed during my limited time in Russia, I tend to agree with my fiancee.

In contrast, many (not all) American women seem to have lost their sense of what it means to be a woman. My fiancee and I have often thought that it would benefit both Russian men and American women if they could spend some time together....... that is, if they could stand being in the same room for any length of time. Russian men might become more responsible and enlightened. American women might regain some of the feminine qualities they once had.

What makes Russian men this way? Too many women..... not enough men? They way they are brought up during childhood? Current socio-economic conditions? Would Russian men and American women benefit from each other?

What do you think?

[Kotenochek 0]

Why is it that russian men have such a cavalier (don't care so much) attitude towards Russian women? I have observed that many (not all) Russian men shy away from family responsibilities and let the women bear most of the load. In fact, I think Russian women do most of the real work anyways..... at home, on the job, wherever. My fiancee says that she knows how to cure many of Russia's ills. Just let Russian women run the country. [Probably not a bad idea for the USA also.... Hillary Clinton excepted.] From what I observed during my limited time in Russia, I tend to agree with my fiancee.

In contrast, many (not all) American women seem to have lost their sense of what it means to be a woman. My fiancee and I have often thought that it would benefit both Russian men and American women if they could spend some time together....... that is, if they could stand being in the same room for any length of time. Russian men might become more responsible and enlightened. American women might regain some of the feminine qualities they once had.

What makes Russian men this way? Too many women..... not enough men? They way they are brought up during childhood? Current socio-economic conditions? Would Russian men and American women benefit from each other?

What do you think?

I do not agree about women leading everywhere ...In russia still Men are supposed to provide for family and women keep omfort at home.Normally women works for her pleasure and Man of providing food and other important stuff.

there are very many women out there that have to work for living,because they married very young and husbands turned into an alcoholics..It is very hard in a small cities to find a job.

I lived in Moscow and have a bit different idea of all these.Man do respect women much more than in america.

Just nor normal women or men go to clubs to hook up.

I was a manager in a foreigner holding and i had 40 males to manage,most of them make quite a decent money and are very good to their wives..If we talk about losers,well show me the country that does not have them:)

I am married to American,because i love him and there is no any other reason than that.I could also find russian bf,just problem is they are a bit hard to find,since most of good guys aged 28-30that are suitible for me are already married or devorced..

And younger--i am not very interested in them.so probably that is a problem.but I believe we have a great men in russia too:)

So do american women:)not all of them are feminists:)Deep inside even they would be feminine if american mammome men-that still live with parents go and do some work to provide:)

No offense meant:)

[Satellite 1]

In Russia still Men are supposed to provide for family and women keep comfort at home.Normally women works for her pleasure and Man of providing food and other important stuff.

there are very many women out there that have to work for living,because they married very young and husbands turned into an alcoholics..It is very hard in a small cities to find a job.

Let me give you examples of women working for other reasons.

1. My wife and I both work hard, because if only one of us worked we wouldn't have to choose between food, energy, or shelter. As a man I must have failed her badly, because even on my future Attorney's salary it will be near impossible to afford a medium price home of $800,000 in San Francisco on just one salary.

2. My wife's sister lives in Tomsk, Russia. They too cannot afford a flat and are sharing a room in their parents home. She too is working hard and full time in order to save up 1,000,000 rubles in order to buy a one bedroom flat, and they individually make less than 10,000 rubles per month. Note: They were denied credit to buy their own flat. Her husband also I suppose failed her as a man.

3. My mother makes twice as much money as my father. Because in America registered nurses make twice as much as engineers! Unlike the other two men I described above, he was able to buy a home, but my mother works, because she wants the family to have nice things, go on vacation, and enjoy themselves rather than living pay check to pay check. He too must have failed her as man.

[Buck and Natalia 0]

I do not agree about women leading everywhere ...In russia still Men are supposed to provide for family and women keep omfort at home.Normally women works for her pleasure and Man of providing food and other important stuff.

there are very many women out there that have to work for living,because they married very young and husbands turned into an alcoholics..It is very hard in a small cities to find a job.

I lived in Moscow and have a bit different idea of all these.Man do respect women much more than in america.

Just nor normal women or men go to clubs to hook up.

I was a manager in a foreigner holding and i had 40 males to manage,most of them make quite a decent money and are very good to their wives..If we talk about losers,well show me the country that does not have them:)

I am married to American,because i love him and there is no any other reason than that.I could also find russian bf,just problem is they are a bit hard to find,since most of good guys aged 28-30that are suitible for me are already married or devorced..

And younger--i am not very interested in them.so probably that is a problem.but I believe we have a great men in russia too:)

So do american women:)not all of them are feminists:)Deep inside even they would be feminine if american mammome men-that still live with parents go and do some work to provide:)

No offense meant:)

No offense taken. Thank you very much for your response. It is much appreciated.

[Buck and Natalia 0]

In Russia still Men are supposed to provide for family and women keep comfort at home.Normally women works for her pleasure and Man of providing food and other important stuff.

there are very many women out there that have to work for living,because they married very young and husbands turned into an alcoholics..It is very hard in a small cities to find a job.

Let me give you examples of women working for other reasons.

1. My wife and I both work hard, because if only one of us worked we wouldn't have to choose between food, energy, or shelter. As a man I must have failed her badly, because even on my future Attorney's salary it will be near impossible to afford a medium price home of $800,000 in San Francisco on just one salary.

2. My wife's sister lives in Tomsk, Russia. They too cannot afford a flat and are sharing a room in their parents home. She too is working hard and full time in order to save up 1,000,000 rubles in order to buy a one bedroom flat, and they individually make less than 10,000 rubles per month. Note: They were denied credit to buy their own flat. Her husband also I suppose failed her as a man.

3. My mother makes twice as much money as my father. Because in America registered nurses make twice as much as engineers! Unlike the other two men I described above, he was able to buy a home, but my mother works, because she wants the family to have nice things, go on vacation, and enjoy themselves rather than living pay check to pay check. He too must have failed her as man.

I do not think of it so much as "failing as a man" or succeeding. Life is life. It is tough nowadays to make it on one salary.... even my former attorney salary. Sometimes it is tough to make it on two salaries. In fact, it will be difficult financially when my finacee and her son arrive. However, we have a saying that encourages us and gives us hope: "Life may sometimes be difficult and hard..... but as long as we are together life will always be beautiful."

[katya_and_besik 0]

Normally women works for her pleasure and Man of providing food and other important stuff.

there are very many women out there that have to work for living,because they married very young and husbands turned into an alcoholics..

That is totally not true. I do not know a single woman that works "for pleasure". In fact, the majority of men and women (in Moscow and other cities) work to survive. My mother has her own business, and works very hard... not because my dad is an alcoholic, but because it is not possible to survive on a surgeon's salary of $1000 a year.

The situation you are describing, reminds me of the stories my mother-in-law tells me: back in the 1980s when USSR was still strong, they used to live in Tbilisi, Georiga (100% corruption on all levels), and yes, she was working for pleasure. What she was making as a music-school teacher was only enough to pay for a cab (she used to take a CAB to work EVERY DAY). Yet, they had enough money to take a flight to Moscow once a week to see a performance in Bolshoi Theatre.

[mox 298]

Normally women works for her pleasure and Man of providing food and other important stuff.

there are very many women out there that have to work for living,because they married very young and husbands turned into an alcoholics..

That is totally not true. I do not know a single woman that works "for pleasure". In fact, the majority of men and women (in Moscow and other cities) work to survive.

I think she was talking about married women working only if they want to, not single women.

[slim 1,525]

So do american women:)not all of them are feminists:)Deep inside even they would be feminine if american mammome men-that still live with parents go and do some work to provide:)

No offense meant:)

I've explained to my wife several times that we've been conditioned, as men, here in the U.S. that we don't automatically "help" women anymore. We're not allowed to. There was a time when it was acceptable, even encouraged, for men to be "gentlemen" and hold the door open for a lady or to extend a hand when she was exiting the bus, etc.

Now, pull a chair out for a female while out on a date and you're automatically labeled as an overpowering male dominance type.

The problem with this whole situation is the ladies secretly like being treated like ladies, but they've already dug their own grave, and now they have to lie in it. The same women that will tell you "I want to be treated like a lady" will also be the one to tell you "I can do it myself."

There's a thin line here because the same "gentlemenly" behavior that necessitated holding the door for a lady also entitled her to the receiving end of an @$$ slap after passing by. Women worked very hard to change that part but unfortunately stopping the @$$ slapping resulted in a suspension of door opennings as well.

The current status of "get your own door" is often preceded by an "I can get it myself" or followed by an "I don't need your help." So, what's a guy to do?

Personally, I have noticed that holding the door and refraining from the @$$ slap is quite readily accepted if done in a manner which doesn't imply "I just held the door for you b!tch, you better let me slap your @$$ later."

The hard part is selling the fact that, as a man, I don't want to slap your @$$. I mean come on, I did just hold the door for you, afterall.

[katya_and_besik 0]

I think she was talking about married women working only if they want to, not single women.

I meant "I do not know anybody who works for pleasure"

Edited October 20, 2007 by katya_and_besik

[Satellite 1]

I meant "I do not know anybody who works for pleasure"

I completely agree with you on this topic. But I think you do know someone: Kotenochek, and her family