JImmy Carter says US tortures

[HAL 9000 96]

Do we feel Bush wants to go out with a bang with Iran before leaving office?? Hopefully not, but there is an awful lot of internet news chatter about Iran this, Iran that... reminiscent of all the BS chatter pre-Iraq war part 2.

Hopefully the bitter politik happening on Capitol Hill will avoid more thousands of our friends and family members in uniform having to return to another bogus war and coming home inside more wooden boxes with the flag draped across them.

[pedroh 21]

"head-slapping, simulated drowning, and frigid temperatures."

If that is considered torture than I was tortured extensively as a child when:

1) I smarted off to my parents and got slapped upside the head.

2) My brother dunked me in the swimming pool.

3) I stood at the bus stop waiting for the school bus in the middle of winter.

Maybe you should volunteer to be on the receiving end of a rendition then and then compare notes... []

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[no name 1]

Jimmy Carter is an idiot. He isn't in the loop any more and has no more information than anyone else.

President's Daily Brief

Former Presidents are entitled to receive the PDB, if they so desire, only after the sitting President actually receives his daily briefing.

THe PDB, if he gets it, would not detail how we conduct interrogations. So on the subject of torture he is an idiot and has no more information than anyone else. Carter is a first class chopfukc.

Your blindness to reality is hilarious Gary. Really.

It sounds like your the other side of the same coin. You want to believe we torture so you blindly believe this clap-trap. The truth is none of us know but I do know Carters past positions which are the basis for my disbelief of anything he says.

Nice evasion of the subject but I think the current pres' past/current/make-believe positions is reason enough for him to go down as the worst pres in history.

[joelunchbox 0]

Jimmy Carter is an idiot. He isn't in the loop any more and has no more information than anyone else.

As a former Prez, I think he PROBABLY has a damn good grasp of what we do & don't do Gary...

He will face a lot of flack by making this public, you don't think he thought about that before he spoke?

And then people wonder why so many call the left anti-American. This sort of ####### does not help America's reputation overseas.

What is costing us our reputation is--the war in Iraq, and then the way we managed the reconstruction of said country or should we say the lining of the Bushies pockets?? Anyone read the real report on Abu Gahrib?? What was reported was only the tip of iceberg. I feel for the military guys because they are going to reap what this administration is sowing. We look upon the Iraqis as second class people--what ever happened to the all people are equal belief??

We need to face up to what we have done and what we are doing. Blind allegiance to anything is wrong. This is America, where you SHOULD stand up and tell the truth. It is a sorry day that when someone--no less than a former president--does this, he is derided. Wake up People!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Geez, I cant think of anything more helpful than having the worst president in recent history, dancing around the globe bad-mouthing his own country.

The worst President in recent history currently occupies the big white building at 1600 Penn Ave.

If you really want to get down to it Carter is the root for the Islamic revolution and therefore the reason why Bush has done what he has done. What he did in Iran started this whole mess. You have the right to think Bush is a bad president but you have to admit that without Carter's stupidity in Iran we probably wouldn't have the problems we do today.

Are you suggesting that the mess in Iraq and the fiscal desaster - just to name two major failures of Bush's presidency - were inevitable because of Carter's presidency? Can you try and stretch it a little more?

[almaty 19]

Blind allegiance to anything is wrong

amen

[no name 1]

Blind allegiance to anything is wrong

amen

Amen.

Geez, I cant think of anything more helpful than having the worst president in recent history, dancing around the globe bad-mouthing his own country.

The worst President in recent history currently occupies the big white building at 1600 Penn Ave.

If you really want to get down to it Carter is the root for the Islamic revolution and therefore the reason why Bush has done what he has done. What he did in Iran started this whole mess. You have the right to think Bush is a bad president but you have to admit that without Carter's stupidity in Iran we probably wouldn't have the problems we do today.

Are you suggesting that the mess in Iraq and the fiscal desaster - just to name two major failures of Bush's presidency - were inevitable because of Carter's presidency? Can you try and stretch it a little more?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Bad decisions aside - it doesn't change the fact that the seeds of the '79 revolution were planted in '53, when we sold that country down the river merely because they wanted to privatise their oil industry.

That should have been nationalise. My mistake.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Jimmy Carter's Legacy of Failure

Trust me, 25+ years from now, Bush's legacy of failure will take a lot more room to summarize.

[pedroh 21]

the justifications here that waterboarding, frigid temperatures and slapping is 'not torture'.. are impressive.. so, if that's not torture, why not go to the CIA and let yourselves be a 'suspect' so the whole world can see US doesn't torture at all..

and it's even more torture, if they got the 'wrong guy'.. ooops!

[GaryC 7]

Geez, I cant think of anything more helpful than having the worst president in recent history, dancing around the globe bad-mouthing his own country.

The worst President in recent history currently occupies the big white building at 1600 Penn Ave.

If you really want to get down to it Carter is the root for the Islamic revolution and therefore the reason why Bush has done what he has done. What he did in Iran started this whole mess. You have the right to think Bush is a bad president but you have to admit that without Carter's stupidity in Iran we probably wouldn't have the problems we do today.

Are you suggesting that the mess in Iraq and the fiscal desaster - just to name two major failures of Bush's presidency - were inevitable because of Carter's presidency? Can you try and stretch it a little more?

I am suggesting that Carters decisions with Iran gave a kick-start to the Islamic Revolution which spiraled into the terrorism we have today. I am not saying that Carter is personally responsible for 9/11 but his hands do have blood on them. Without the overthrow of the Shah I doubt if we would have had 9/11.

And just what fiscal disaster are you referring to? The economy is great by any standard. Certainly better than the mess Carter left us with.

[GaryC 7]

Bad decisions aside - it doesn't change the fact that the seeds of the '79 revolution were planted in '53, when we sold that country down the river merely because they wanted to privatise their oil industry.

That should have been nationalise. My mistake.

The country was stable for 25 years and wasn't a threat to anyone. With the ouster of the Shah that started the whole mess we have today.

[no name 1]

Jimmy Carter's Legacy of Failure

Trust me, 25+ years from now, Bush's legacy of failure will take a lot more room to summarize.

Gary - Have a look here:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=w...dent+in+history

EVERY SINGLE ENTRY on pages 1-2 IS ABOUT GWB.

example #1

example #2 (Rasmussen 7/07 poll)

Jimmy Carter and the first President Bush are each viewed favorably by 57% of Americans today. They are trailed closely by Bill Clinton (55% favorable, 41% unfavorable). Three of the eleven post-War Presidents are viewed favorably by less than 50% of Americans—Lyndon B. Johnson is viewed unfavorably by 42%; George W. Bush is viewed unfavorably by 59%; and, Richard Nixon is viewed favorably by just 32%.

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A USA Today/Gallup Poll, taken December 8-10, 2006, asked 1009 adults nationwide, "How do you think each of the following presidents will go down in history -- as an outstanding president, above average, average, below average, or poor?"

George W. Bush:

• 4% outstanding
• 15% above average
• 27% average,
• 25% below average
• 29% poor

Jimmy Carter:

• 11% outstanding,
• 27% above average,
• 38% average,
• 13% below average,
• 9% poor,
• 3% unsure

Edited October 11, 2007 by devilette

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Geez, I cant think of anything more helpful than having the worst president in recent history, dancing around the globe bad-mouthing his own country.

The worst President in recent history currently occupies the big white building at 1600 Penn Ave.

If you really want to get down to it Carter is the root for the Islamic revolution and therefore the reason why Bush has done what he has done. What he did in Iran started this whole mess. You have the right to think Bush is a bad president but you have to admit that without Carter's stupidity in Iran we probably wouldn't have the problems we do today.

#######? What version of history are you reading???

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I am suggesting that Carters decisions with Iran gave a kick-start to the Islamic Revolution which spiraled into the terrorism we have today. I am not saying that Carter is personally responsible for 9/11 but his hands do have blood on them. Without the overthrow of the Shah I doubt if we would have had 9/11.

And just what fiscal disaster are you referring to? The economy is great by any standard. Certainly better than the mess Carter left us with.

Again - if the Shah hadn't been installed in 1953 via the ousting of a government that is far more democratic than the one ushered in by the coup, or indeed the subsequent revolution its likely the region would be better off than it is today. Sorry - but I fail to see how its fair to lay the blame for this at Carter's doorstep without considering the prologue that actually started all this.

Do you assume we had the right to do what we did in '53, and then compound that initial mistake by trying to prevent a national revolution, presumably using our military methods? That sounds rather dodgy to me... certainly given the historical context at the time. It seems to me that with Vietnam being well within recent memory in 1979, that the long-term damaging effects of that war on the public conciousness wouldn't exactly provide the conditions necessary to do anything of that sort.

Bad decisions aside - it doesn't change the fact that the seeds of the '79 revolution were planted in '53, when we sold that country down the river merely because they wanted to privatise their oil industry.

That should have been nationalise. My mistake.

The country was stable for 25 years and wasn't a threat to anyone. With the ouster of the Shah that started the whole mess we have today.

He should never have been installed in the first place is my point. We traded a more or less representative government for a dictator - and it was done with a view to securing the country's oil assets. The welfare of the country's people came a distant last.