JImmy Carter says US tortures

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Sure - but again a situation we would not have been faced with if we hadn't have gotten involved 25 years earlier.

We f*cked that country long before Carter came on the scene.

Your drawing a line between 56 and 79. I don't think the first absolves what Carter did in the second. Whether we were right or wrong to help the Shah get back his throne is immaterial. Carter could have stopped the carnage that we have now.

You see that's where I disagree. You see I think that the radical elements were galvanised by the '53 coup and they had at least 25 years to cement their position on a surge of anti-western sentiment (on the basis that we had ousted their government).

I'm not certain Carter could have stopped this (that's not to say he made the best decisions) - but to be honest with you, I can absolutely see why he didn't.

[no name 1]

Sure - but again a situation we would not have been faced with if we hadn't have gotten involved 25 years earlier.

We f*cked that country long before Carter came on the scene.

Your drawing a line between 56 and 79. I don't think the first absolves what Carter did in the second. Whether we were right or wrong to help the Shah get back his throne is immaterial. Carter could have stopped the carnage that we have now.

Interesting. No line between 56 and 79 but Carter is responsible for the mess that I thought W got us into. Very interesting indeed.

I didn't say no line, I said that the mistake made in 56 does not let Carter off for the disaster made in 79. But I definitely think that if the radicals hadn't taken over Iran we wouldn't have had 9/11 and by extension the second war with Iraq.

You have a twisted sense of cause and effect. No wonder why our country is screwed.

Most of the 9/11 hijackers came not from Iran, but Saudi Arabia. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Other than the fact that its an Arab country.

While our actions in Iran may have contributed to the motivation of those who pulled off 9/11. There is no guarntee that the event would not have happened.

Bush and Chaney had plans to invade Iraq long before 9/11. 9/11 just made it easier, because then they could say that Iraq was behind it. Even though it was a complete deception. Iraq may have still happened. With or without 9/11.

I get it now...

Carter -> Iran -> 9/11

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I get it now...

Carter -> Iran -> 9/11

Yep. Apparently, Carter practically flew them planes himself. And got us into the Iraq quagmire. It's all his fault.

Except for all that is Bill Clinton's fault. Whew, I'm spent.

Edited October 12, 2007 by Mr. Big Dog

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

Except for all that is Bill Clinton's fault. Whew, I'm spent.

funny you should have that name with that sxpression in the same post

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Except for all that is Bill Clinton's fault. Whew, I'm spent.

funny you should have that name with that sxpression in the same post

oops.

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

Except for all that is Bill Clinton's fault. Whew, I'm spent.

funny you should have that name with that sxpression in the same post

oops.

you did it again!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Except for all that is Bill Clinton's fault. Whew, I'm spent.

funny you should have that name with that sxpression in the same post

oops.

you did it again!

Damn. That blows.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

This thread proves that Jimmy should stick to growin "nuts". There are plenty here that need to be harvested

Edited October 12, 2007 by CarolsMarc

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This thread proves that Jimmy should stick to growin "nuts". There are plenty here that need to be harvested

Feel like being plucked?

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

Except for all that is Bill Clinton's fault. Whew, I'm spent.

funny you should have that name with that sxpression in the same post

oops.

you did it again!

Damn. That blows.

what a mess you've made!

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

This thread proves that Jimmy should stick to growin "nuts". There are plenty here that need to be harvested

Feel like being plucked?

I think your lookin for howtobeachicken.com

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Except for all that is Bill Clinton's fault. Whew, I'm spent.

funny you should have that name with that sxpression in the same post

oops.

you did it again!

Damn. That blows.

what a mess you've made!

Stop it already. It really sucks.

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

Except for all that is Bill Clinton's fault. Whew, I'm spent.

funny you should have that name with that sxpression in the same post

oops.

you did it again!

Damn. That blows.

what a mess you've made!

Stop it already. It really sucks.

ok ok, time for a cigar anyways

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Would it be torture if we put Jimmy in a room with a tickle me Elmo? Or would that depend on the length of time he was alone with it?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Except for all that is Bill Clinton's fault. Whew, I'm spent.

funny you should have that name with that sxpression in the same post

oops.

you did it again!

Damn. That blows.

what a mess you've made!

Stop it already. It really sucks.

ok ok, time for a cigar anyways

Would it be torture if we put Jimmy in a room with a tickle me Elmo? Or would that depend on the length of time he was alone with it?

Why would you want to do that to ole' Elmo? What the ** did he do?