Off-duty Wis. deputy sheriff kills 6

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Will this turn into another gun debate along the lines of "if everyone else was armed they could have stopped this guy".

This sort of thing happens way too much in this country....

yup. see what will happen when only the government has guns

[Fandango 1,440]

Will this turn into another gun debate along the lines of "if everyone else was armed they could have stopped this guy".

Probably, especially since you initiated it...

Self fulfilling prophecy, 6.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Will this turn into another gun debate along the lines of "if everyone else was armed they could have stopped this guy".

This sort of thing happens way too much in this country....

i'm just waiting for someone to say "disarm the police"

I just wonder what it is specifically about the US that leads to this sort of thing. This happened twice in the UK (though neither really on the scale of a Virginia Tech) and made massive headlines. Seems by the by here.

police went on a shooting spree there too ?

I was referring to Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns). There's a parallel there regardless of occupation or lack of: Guns in the hands of disturbed or insane people generally doesn't end well.

guess I missed the connection.

the story was about ... "An off-duty sheriff's deputy" ... not as has been said "Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns)".

after all it's been said many times that only law enforcement people should have and be trusted with guns

I guess... Though its a pretty obvious connection IMO: Guns in the hands of disturbed people = not a good thing

I guess you don't expect that cops just might be subject to psychological failings too. After all you don't expect your postman to blow you away either - but wasn't it in the US that the term "Going postal" was coined?

[Ban Hammer 13,678]

but wasn't it in the US that the term "Going postal" was coined?

and all this time i thought it was a way to see the world cheaply

[eau_xplain 2]

I'm so sorry for the families of the young people who died.

It's never easy for parents whose children go first. We always expect, or at least hope, that we get to see them lead happy, fulfilled lives as adults.

but wasn't it in the US that the term "Going postal" was coined?

and all this time i thought it was a way to see the world cheaply

Charles, here's a

for your next trip

[Ban Hammer 13,678]

I'm so sorry for the families of the young people who died.

It's never easy for parents whose children go first. We always expect, or at least hope, that we get to see them lead happy, fulfilled lives as adults.

but wasn't it in the US that the term "Going postal" was coined?

and all this time i thought it was a way to see the world cheaply

Charles, here's a

for your next trip

thanks but i've decided to fax myself to hawaii

[natty bumppo 297]

Will this turn into another gun debate along the lines of "if everyone else was armed they could have stopped this guy".

This sort of thing happens way too much in this country....

i'm just waiting for someone to say "disarm the police"

I just wonder what it is specifically about the US that leads to this sort of thing. This happened twice in the UK (though neither really on the scale of a Virginia Tech) and made massive headlines. Seems by the by here.

police went on a shooting spree there too ?

I was referring to Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns). There's a parallel there regardless of occupation or lack of: Guns in the hands of disturbed or insane people generally doesn't end well.

guess I missed the connection.

the story was about ... "An off-duty sheriff's deputy" ... not as has been said "Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns)".

after all it's been said many times that only law enforcement people should have and be trusted with guns

I guess... Though its a pretty obvious connection IMO: Guns in the hands of disturbed people = not a good thing

I guess you don't expect that cops just might be subject to psychological failings too. After all you don't expect your postman to blow you away either - but wasn't it in the US that the term "Going postal" was coined?

postal carriers are given and entrusted with the privilege to carry firearms for everyday law enforcement reasons?

this was a law enforcement officer ... period. not … ""Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns)" or a postal worker.

It was a law enforcement officer ... someone that was "trusted”. Let’s keep it there .. please

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Will this turn into another gun debate along the lines of "if everyone else was armed they could have stopped this guy".

This sort of thing happens way too much in this country....

i'm just waiting for someone to say "disarm the police"

I just wonder what it is specifically about the US that leads to this sort of thing. This happened twice in the UK (though neither really on the scale of a Virginia Tech) and made massive headlines. Seems by the by here.

police went on a shooting spree there too ?

I was referring to Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns). There's a parallel there regardless of occupation or lack of: Guns in the hands of disturbed or insane people generally doesn't end well.

guess I missed the connection.

the story was about ... "An off-duty sheriff's deputy" ... not as has been said "Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns)".

after all it's been said many times that only law enforcement people should have and be trusted with guns

I guess... Though its a pretty obvious connection IMO: Guns in the hands of disturbed people = not a good thing

I guess you don't expect that cops just might be subject to psychological failings too. After all you don't expect your postman to blow you away either - but wasn't it in the US that the term "Going postal" was coined?

postal carriers are given and entrusted with the privilege to carry firearms for everyday law enforcement reasons?

this was a law enforcement officer ... period. not … ""Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns)" or a postal worker.

It was a law enforcement officer ... someone that was "trusted”. Let’s keep it there .. please

When we went over the edge he became just another nutter, but a nutter who happened to be a sheriffs deputy.

Why do you have a problem with me pointing out that this is little different from the countless other 'rampage' events where otherwise 'normal' people have snapped and done things that noone would have expected? Is the idea that a police officer might be subject to the same psychological pressures as everyone else somehow wrong or offensive?

IMO - it doesn't really matter what he did for a living. His life, like Michael Ryan and that Cho kid is defined by the mass murder he perpetrated.

[natty bumppo 297]

Will this turn into another gun debate along the lines of "if everyone else was armed they could have stopped this guy".

This sort of thing happens way too much in this country....

i'm just waiting for someone to say "disarm the police"

I just wonder what it is specifically about the US that leads to this sort of thing. This happened twice in the UK (though neither really on the scale of a Virginia Tech) and made massive headlines. Seems by the by here.

police went on a shooting spree there too ?

I was referring to Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns). There's a parallel there regardless of occupation or lack of: Guns in the hands of disturbed or insane people generally doesn't end well.

guess I missed the connection.

the story was about ... "An off-duty sheriff's deputy" ... not as has been said "Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns)".

after all it's been said many times that only law enforcement people should have and be trusted with guns

I guess... Though its a pretty obvious connection IMO: Guns in the hands of disturbed people = not a good thing

I guess you don't expect that cops just might be subject to psychological failings too. After all you don't expect your postman to blow you away either - but wasn't it in the US that the term "Going postal" was coined?

postal carriers are given and entrusted with the privilege to carry firearms for everyday law enforcement reasons?

this was a law enforcement officer ... period. not … ""Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns)" or a postal worker.

It was a law enforcement officer ... someone that was "trusted”. Let’s keep it there .. please

When we went over the edge he became just another nutter, but a nutter who happened to be a sheriffs deputy.

Why do you have a problem with me pointing out that this is little different from the countless other 'rampage' events where otherwise 'normal' people have snapped and done things that noone would have expected? Is the idea that a police officer might be subject to the same psychological pressures as everyone else somehow wrong or offensive?

IMO - it doesn't really matter what he did for a living. His life, like Michael Ryan and that Cho kid is defined by the mass murder he perpetrated.

We ?? not me ... please don't include me in this statement.

The always prevailing statement ... that a law enforcement person(s) should be the only one(s) to be trusted with guns .... etc ... etc ....

it could be said ... this easily proves that a law enforcement officer is just like anyone else ... only these people have a public trust ... passed lots of checks ... etc ... and still look what happened ... he was a person proficiently trained in the use of a firearm at public expense ... and then the public paid him to carry one. consider it another way ... he carried a firearm for hire (for the gov't).

It begs the question(s) … who can you trust … and who is really responsible for your safety.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Will this turn into another gun debate along the lines of "if everyone else was armed they could have stopped this guy".

This sort of thing happens way too much in this country....

i'm just waiting for someone to say "disarm the police"

I just wonder what it is specifically about the US that leads to this sort of thing. This happened twice in the UK (though neither really on the scale of a Virginia Tech) and made massive headlines. Seems by the by here.

police went on a shooting spree there too ?

I was referring to Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns). There's a parallel there regardless of occupation or lack of: Guns in the hands of disturbed or insane people generally doesn't end well.

guess I missed the connection.

the story was about ... "An off-duty sheriff's deputy" ... not as has been said "Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns)".

after all it's been said many times that only law enforcement people should have and be trusted with guns

I guess... Though its a pretty obvious connection IMO: Guns in the hands of disturbed people = not a good thing

I guess you don't expect that cops just might be subject to psychological failings too. After all you don't expect your postman to blow you away either - but wasn't it in the US that the term "Going postal" was coined?

postal carriers are given and entrusted with the privilege to carry firearms for everyday law enforcement reasons?

this was a law enforcement officer ... period. not … ""Dunblane and Hungerford (i.e. disturbed nutters run loose with guns)" or a postal worker.

It was a law enforcement officer ... someone that was "trusted”. Let’s keep it there .. please

When we went over the edge he became just another nutter, but a nutter who happened to be a sheriffs deputy.

Why do you have a problem with me pointing out that this is little different from the countless other 'rampage' events where otherwise 'normal' people have snapped and done things that noone would have expected? Is the idea that a police officer might be subject to the same psychological pressures as everyone else somehow wrong or offensive?

IMO - it doesn't really matter what he did for a living. His life, like Michael Ryan and that Cho kid is defined by the mass murder he perpetrated.

We ?? not me ... please don't include me in this statement.

The always prevailing statement ... that a law enforcement person(s) should be the only one(s) to be trusted with guns .... etc ... etc ....

it could be said ... this easily proves that a law enforcement officer is just like anyone else ... only these people have a public trust ... passed lots of checks ... etc ... and still look what happened ... he was a person proficiently trained in the use of a firearm at public expense ... and then the public paid him to carry one. consider it another way ... he carried a firearm for hire (for the gov't).

It begs the question(s) … who can you trust … and who is really responsible for your safety.

Before you carried away here the 'we' should have been 'he'. A typo - yes I know. I will go flagellate myself in the corner

Yes - he is just like everyone else. No surprise there - I wasn't ever under the impression that this wasn't the case. I mean - how many cops do you suppose are signed off with depression in a given year? I'm willing to bet its more than a few - and that this guy is a relative minority.

[natty bumppo 297]

We ?? not me ... please don't include me in this statement.

The always prevailing statement ... that a law enforcement person(s) should be the only one(s) to be trusted with guns .... etc ... etc ....

it could be said ... this easily proves that a law enforcement officer is just like anyone else ... only these people have a public trust ... passed lots of checks ... etc ... and still look what happened ... he was a person proficiently trained in the use of a firearm at public expense ... and then the public paid him to carry one. consider it another way ... he carried a firearm for hire (for the gov't).

It begs the question(s) … who can you trust … and who is really responsible for your safety.

Before you carried away here the 'we' should have been 'he'. A typo - yes I know. I will go flagellate myself in the corner

Yes - he is just like everyone else. No surprise there - I wasn't ever under the impression that this wasn't the case. I mean - how many cops do you suppose are signed off with depression in a given year? I'm willing to bet its more than a few - and that this guy is a relative minority.

be careful ... umm ... call it experience

Seriously I'm sure it happens (depression) and I've seen it happen (a friend retired from LE for this reason). I've even seen the results after another friend (police officer) put three rounds into a person who "committed suicide by cop". It was a justifiable shooting and it was cleared by the State … but it still was what it was.