Nearly 1 in 5 Democrats Say World Will Be Better Off if U.S. Loses War

[Peikko 1,575]

That's the problem in a nutshell, we have no idea what the 11% were thinking when they said yes. However, to assume it's because they have sympathies with terrorism is to me just too big a stretch. So, I am back with the idea that the question is so seriously flawed that there is no point in speculating on the outcome.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If the 11% really did think as suggested you'd imagine this country would be much more dangerous to live in...

[no name 1]

That's the problem in a nutshell, we have no idea what the 11% were thinking when they said yes.

Maybe they were just bored with the whole poll at that point, after all it is question 40....

[Peikko 1,575]

Maybe the 11% were illegal aliens?

[Marilyn. 340]

That's the problem in a nutshell, we have no idea what the 11% were thinking when they said yes.

Maybe they were just bored with the whole poll at that point, after all it is question 40....

i was just thinking that.... maybe they weren't really paying close attention the questions....

Edited October 9, 2007 by MarilynP

[NavarreMan 10]

If the opposite of losing is having a more stable government and better security then what they had before we invaded them is much closer to the opposite of your definition of losing than what they have now.

I find it interesting that a person who favors isolationism the way you do feels a "favorable outcome to the USA" is more important than a favorable outcome to the country we destroyed. If we had better immigration policies and practices and concentrated more on protecting our borders why concern ourselves with the chaos we have created in the middle east? What difference does it make to you if they blow each other up? Isn't that actually furthering your cause?

The main man we're after is not in Iraq. What are you trying to prevent in Iraq? Them killing each other? Them killing us? What is the goal as you see it?

Your arguments just don't make sense to me.

Personally I think we lost this war when we decided we needed to be civilized about it. And when we didn't stay focused.

How did you get the idea I am an isolationist? You must be confusing me with someone else. It makes a great deal of difference to me if they "blow themselves up". We have an obligation to them to finish what we started. To not finish it would be a disservice to them and dangerous to us. To suggest that letting them sink to a bloodbath is furthering my cause is just your weak attempt to insult me.

I got that idea by reading your posts re: immigration. I got the idea by your statement "favorable outcome to the USA".

As far as insulting people, what exactly was your purpose and initiating this thread? It is obvious that the poll you quote is extremely biased and poorly conducted and worded. Why don't you start a poll here and ask us how we feel about the war? Who knows, maybe the results will surprise me.

Ah, so if I don't like illegal aliens I am an isolationist? Your definition needs some work. The poll is what it is. I posted it because I found it incredable that 11% of Americans want us to lose. If you look back most of the time I refer to 11% of Americans answered yes. Only a few times did I single out the dems. You see what you want to see.

As do you Gary.

The problem seems to be that we have lost the war and no one wants to admit it. They just want to drag it out and try and justify it. It is a senseless waste of life and resources. We don't really want to "win" this war because we are not doing the things we need to do to win it. But we are dumping vast amounts of money into businesses that are profiteering on the war. The road to victory in this conflict will not be easy or pretty or "correct". The enemy is willing to kill themselves to further their cause. We are not willing to do this voluntarily. For example, are you ready to strap a bomb to your chest and walk into their crowded marketplace? Maybe yes, maybe no. Are we ready to wipe an entire town off the face of the earth because we are sure OBL is hiding out there? We should be. From what I hear estimates on the dead civilians due to the war are in excess of 1,000,000. We could have nuked OBL from the word go and not have 1/100th of the casualties we have now. I would have much more respect for George II when he stood there saying “Mission Accomplished” if in fact the mission was accomplished.

Just one man’s opinion…

So what is the answer? How do we win a war with our hands tied by civility and decency?

As far as the isolationist issue. I do not have the time to run back through all your posts but you have given the impression that every one else's problems are their problems and not ours. That is a pillar of isolationism. But if you insist that you are not trying to isolate us from the rest of the world then I will respect that answer and withdraw my statement that you advocated such a belief. I apologize to you and to all for my rash claim.

[NavarreMan 10]

p.s. I don't think 11% of Americans want us "to lose" the war. I think the it was a game of semantics by the pollsters. A huge portion of our population wants us out of the war. It was designed to sound exactly the way they wanted it to. That is their job. All of us want a (God help me) "Safer" world, a more secure life in our wonderful country. Many of us were willing to put our lives on the line to help secure this for us. I would not be surprised to find that, if the question were worded more appropriately, that all Americans desire to get out of the war in such a manner as to protect our way of life here at home. How that can be accomplished now that the hornets nested has been firmly kicked is a mystery to me.

Edited October 9, 2007 by NavarreMan

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

p.s. I don't think 11% of Americans want us "to lose" the war. I think the it was a game of semantics by the pollsters. A huge portion of our population wants us out of the war. It was designed to sound exactly the way they wanted it to.

Exactly. That, I suspected from the very beginning, is why the majority of the poll was withheld from the reader's scrutiny. This was nothing but a fabricated headline.

[Heracles 417]

p.s. I don't think 11% of Americans want us "to lose" the war. I think the it was a game of semantics by the pollsters. A huge portion of our population wants us out of the war. It was designed to sound exactly the way they wanted it to.

Exactly. That, I suspected from the very beginning, is why the majority of the poll was withheld from the reader's scrutiny. This was nothing but a fabricated headline.

You would be surprised. There are a lot of crazy and fanatical people on both sides of the spectrum..

[Peikko 1,575]

Oh, the irony!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

[NavarreMan 10]

Oh, the irony!

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