Socialized Medicine

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Treating the uninsured

As of 2004, there were approximately 6.5 million uninsured Californians.3 When those without insurance have medical issues, they often use emergency rooms or hospitals for treatment (which need to treat them by law). These costs are typically picked up by other payers, resulting in overall premiums rise more rapidly.

https://www.blueshieldca.com/producer/small...ealth/mpp.jhtml

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Treating the uninsured

As of 2004, there were approximately 6.5 million uninsured Californians.3 When those without insurance have medical issues, they often use emergency rooms or hospitals for treatment (which need to treat them by law). These costs are typically picked up by other payers, resulting in overall premiums rise more rapidly.

https://www.blueshieldca.com/producer/small...ealth/mpp.jhtml

Thank you for supporting my point. After all, the uninsured are a by-product of the fragmented, inefficient, bloated and expensive private system we currently have. Those with coverage pay for those excessively expensive emergency services for those without coverage - through rising premiums and with their taxes. I think it would be a hell of a lot smarter to afford everyone access to adequate preventive care which would cut down dramatically on the emergency room expenses we finance today. It would just be cheaper. Besides being more humane.

[Dan J 277]

Treating the uninsured

As of 2004, there were approximately 6.5 million uninsured Californians.3 When those without insurance have medical issues, they often use emergency rooms or hospitals for treatment (which need to treat them by law). These costs are typically picked up by other payers, resulting in overall premiums rise more rapidly.

https://www.blueshieldca.com/producer/small...ealth/mpp.jhtml

Thank you for supporting my point. After all, the uninsured are a by-product of the fragmented, inefficient, bloated and expensive private system we currently have. Those with coverage pay for those excessively expensive emergency services for those without coverage - through rising premiums and with their taxes. I think it would be a hell of a lot smarter to afford everyone access to adequate preventive care which would cut down dramatically on the emergency room expenses we finance today. It would just be cheaper. Besides being more humane.

On a nationwide scale, the uninsured cost the US health care system $100 billion a year.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Treating the uninsured

As of 2004, there were approximately 6.5 million uninsured Californians.3 When those without insurance have medical issues, they often use emergency rooms or hospitals for treatment (which need to treat them by law). These costs are typically picked up by other payers, resulting in overall premiums rise more rapidly.

https://www.blueshieldca.com/producer/small...ealth/mpp.jhtml

Thank you for supporting my point. After all, the uninsured are a by-product of the fragmented, inefficient, bloated and expensive private system we currently have. Those with coverage pay for those excessively expensive emergency services for those without coverage - through rising premiums and with their taxes. I think it would be a hell of a lot smarter to afford everyone access to adequate preventive care which would cut down dramatically on the emergency room expenses we finance today. It would just be cheaper. Besides being more humane.

Compassion seems to be the main subject in your argument. Tears come to my eyes thinking of someone that dies at an early age. Fragmented,inefficient? All the healthcare in the world will never prevent the inevitable fact that we are all gonna die some day. For you to think that public care will be cheaper and better is a pipe dream!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Treating the uninsured

As of 2004, there were approximately 6.5 million uninsured Californians.3 When those without insurance have medical issues, they often use emergency rooms or hospitals for treatment (which need to treat them by law). These costs are typically picked up by other payers, resulting in overall premiums rise more rapidly.

https://www.blueshieldca.com/producer/small...ealth/mpp.jhtml

Thank you for supporting my point. After all, the uninsured are a by-product of the fragmented, inefficient, bloated and expensive private system we currently have. Those with coverage pay for those excessively expensive emergency services for those without coverage - through rising premiums and with their taxes. I think it would be a hell of a lot smarter to afford everyone access to adequate preventive care which would cut down dramatically on the emergency room expenses we finance today. It would just be cheaper. Besides being more humane.

Compassion seems to be the main subject in your argument. Tears come to my eyes thinking of someone that dies at an early age. Fragmented,inefficient? All the healthcare in the world will never prevent the inevitable fact that we are all gonna die some day. For you to think that public care will be cheaper and better is a pipe dream!

Not really. All the public systems that are out there are cheaper, less red-tape laden and - at the very least in terms of reach and coverage - better. From personal experience, I'd say that they're better from a consumer and service perspective as well.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Treating the uninsured

As of 2004, there were approximately 6.5 million uninsured Californians.3 When those without insurance have medical issues, they often use emergency rooms or hospitals for treatment (which need to treat them by law). These costs are typically picked up by other payers, resulting in overall premiums rise more rapidly.

https://www.blueshieldca.com/producer/small...ealth/mpp.jhtml

Thank you for supporting my point. After all, the uninsured are a by-product of the fragmented, inefficient, bloated and expensive private system we currently have. Those with coverage pay for those excessively expensive emergency services for those without coverage - through rising premiums and with their taxes. I think it would be a hell of a lot smarter to afford everyone access to adequate preventive care which would cut down dramatically on the emergency room expenses we finance today. It would just be cheaper. Besides being more humane.

Compassion seems to be the main subject in your argument. Tears come to my eyes thinking of someone that dies at an early age. Fragmented,inefficient? All the healthcare in the world will never prevent the inevitable fact that we are all gonna die some day. For you to think that public care will be cheaper and better is a pipe dream!

Not really. All the public systems that are out there are cheaper, less red-tape laden and - at the very least in terms of reach and coverage - better. From personal experience, I'd say that they're better from a consumer and service perspective as well.

Votin yay before seein the plan is a little pre-mature for me. The better the politician makes it, the more critical im gonna be.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Treating the uninsured

As of 2004, there were approximately 6.5 million uninsured Californians.3 When those without insurance have medical issues, they often use emergency rooms or hospitals for treatment (which need to treat them by law). These costs are typically picked up by other payers, resulting in overall premiums rise more rapidly.

https://www.blueshieldca.com/producer/small...ealth/mpp.jhtml

Thank you for supporting my point. After all, the uninsured are a by-product of the fragmented, inefficient, bloated and expensive private system we currently have. Those with coverage pay for those excessively expensive emergency services for those without coverage - through rising premiums and with their taxes. I think it would be a hell of a lot smarter to afford everyone access to adequate preventive care which would cut down dramatically on the emergency room expenses we finance today. It would just be cheaper. Besides being more humane.

Compassion seems to be the main subject in your argument. Tears come to my eyes thinking of someone that dies at an early age. Fragmented,inefficient? All the healthcare in the world will never prevent the inevitable fact that we are all gonna die some day. For you to think that public care will be cheaper and better is a pipe dream!

Not really. All the public systems that are out there are cheaper, less red-tape laden and - at the very least in terms of reach and coverage - better. From personal experience, I'd say that they're better from a consumer and service perspective as well.

Votin yay before seein the plan is a little pre-mature for me. The better the politician makes it, the more critical im gonna be.

Even if we were to copy the least efficient system from any other nation, we'd still come out ahead. I ain't falling for the fear mongering of the profiteers of the broken status quo. Not for a minute. I've been on the other side of it. Experienced it firsthand. And I think it was much better a system than what I am dealing with now. Maybe that's just it. Maybe you lack that particular perspective.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Treating the uninsured

As of 2004, there were approximately 6.5 million uninsured Californians.3 When those without insurance have medical issues, they often use emergency rooms or hospitals for treatment (which need to treat them by law). These costs are typically picked up by other payers, resulting in overall premiums rise more rapidly.

https://www.blueshieldca.com/producer/small...ealth/mpp.jhtml

Thank you for supporting my point. After all, the uninsured are a by-product of the fragmented, inefficient, bloated and expensive private system we currently have. Those with coverage pay for those excessively expensive emergency services for those without coverage - through rising premiums and with their taxes. I think it would be a hell of a lot smarter to afford everyone access to adequate preventive care which would cut down dramatically on the emergency room expenses we finance today. It would just be cheaper. Besides being more humane.

Compassion seems to be the main subject in your argument. Tears come to my eyes thinking of someone that dies at an early age. Fragmented,inefficient? All the healthcare in the world will never prevent the inevitable fact that we are all gonna die some day. For you to think that public care will be cheaper and better is a pipe dream!

Not really. All the public systems that are out there are cheaper, less red-tape laden and - at the very least in terms of reach and coverage - better. From personal experience, I'd say that they're better from a consumer and service perspective as well.

Votin yay before seein the plan is a little pre-mature for me. The better the politician makes it, the more critical im gonna be.

Even if we were to copy the least efficient system from any other nation, we'd still come out ahead. I ain't falling for the fear mongering of the profiteers of the broken status quo. Not for a minute. I've been on the other side of it. Experienced it firsthand. And I think it was much better a system than what I am dealing with now. Maybe that's just it. Maybe you lack that particular perspective.

Yep, being a follower is always good. We should just do the best of the worst and make the best of it. We can make excuses later why things got all fcked-up. But shite at least were covered.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Treating the uninsured

As of 2004, there were approximately 6.5 million uninsured Californians.3 When those without insurance have medical issues, they often use emergency rooms or hospitals for treatment (which need to treat them by law). These costs are typically picked up by other payers, resulting in overall premiums rise more rapidly.

https://www.blueshieldca.com/producer/small...ealth/mpp.jhtml

Thank you for supporting my point. After all, the uninsured are a by-product of the fragmented, inefficient, bloated and expensive private system we currently have. Those with coverage pay for those excessively expensive emergency services for those without coverage - through rising premiums and with their taxes. I think it would be a hell of a lot smarter to afford everyone access to adequate preventive care which would cut down dramatically on the emergency room expenses we finance today. It would just be cheaper. Besides being more humane.

Compassion seems to be the main subject in your argument. Tears come to my eyes thinking of someone that dies at an early age. Fragmented,inefficient? All the healthcare in the world will never prevent the inevitable fact that we are all gonna die some day. For you to think that public care will be cheaper and better is a pipe dream!

Not really. All the public systems that are out there are cheaper, less red-tape laden and - at the very least in terms of reach and coverage - better. From personal experience, I'd say that they're better from a consumer and service perspective as well.

Votin yay before seein the plan is a little pre-mature for me. The better the politician makes it, the more critical im gonna be.

Even if we were to copy the least efficient system from any other nation, we'd still come out ahead. I ain't falling for the fear mongering of the profiteers of the broken status quo. Not for a minute. I've been on the other side of it. Experienced it firsthand. And I think it was much better a system than what I am dealing with now. Maybe that's just it. Maybe you lack that particular perspective.

Yep, being a follower is always good. We should just do the best of the worst and make the best of it. We can make excuses later why things got all fcked-up. But shite at least were covered.

Not at all. We ought to look at the various models and come up with an optimum solution. There is, unfortunately, no efficient private model out there. The private industry has failed us on this one. Most likely because the primary focus is on profit rather than care. No good. Certain services ought to focus on the people not on the profits.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Treating the uninsured

As of 2004, there were approximately 6.5 million uninsured Californians.3 When those without insurance have medical issues, they often use emergency rooms or hospitals for treatment (which need to treat them by law). These costs are typically picked up by other payers, resulting in overall premiums rise more rapidly.

https://www.blueshieldca.com/producer/small...ealth/mpp.jhtml

Thank you for supporting my point. After all, the uninsured are a by-product of the fragmented, inefficient, bloated and expensive private system we currently have. Those with coverage pay for those excessively expensive emergency services for those without coverage - through rising premiums and with their taxes. I think it would be a hell of a lot smarter to afford everyone access to adequate preventive care which would cut down dramatically on the emergency room expenses we finance today. It would just be cheaper. Besides being more humane.

Compassion seems to be the main subject in your argument. Tears come to my eyes thinking of someone that dies at an early age. Fragmented,inefficient? All the healthcare in the world will never prevent the inevitable fact that we are all gonna die some day. For you to think that public care will be cheaper and better is a pipe dream!

Not really. All the public systems that are out there are cheaper, less red-tape laden and - at the very least in terms of reach and coverage - better. From personal experience, I'd say that they're better from a consumer and service perspective as well.

Votin yay before seein the plan is a little pre-mature for me. The better the politician makes it, the more critical im gonna be.

Even if we were to copy the least efficient system from any other nation, we'd still come out ahead. I ain't falling for the fear mongering of the profiteers of the broken status quo. Not for a minute. I've been on the other side of it. Experienced it firsthand. And I think it was much better a system than what I am dealing with now. Maybe that's just it. Maybe you lack that particular perspective.

Yep, being a follower is always good. We should just do the best of the worst and make the best of it. We can make excuses later why things got all fcked-up. But shite at least were covered.

Not at all. We ought to look at the various models and come up with an optimum solution. There is, unfortunately, no efficient private model out there. The private industry has failed us on this one. Most likely because the primary focus is on profit rather than care. No good. Certain services ought to focus on the people not on the profits.

Dont get me wrong,I agree that healthcare costs are outta control. To let some promise makin tool from D.C. tell me what dr. I can see and when, is steppin into my "NO" zone. Carols mom died on a gurney in Sao Paulos public healthcare.They have two systems there, public and private. She was left in a hallway to wait in line. The doctor told her it was a minor infection and was sent home with anti-biotics. Later that night she collapsed on her mother at Carols house in front of all her kids. Bloated from internal bleeding! She died.

[Widge 0]

In so many ways America has the opportunity which so many other nations didn't have - being able to look at the models around the world and cherry pick the best of the best and avoid the worst of the worst.

How can any nation send funds abroad for any number of causes and have their own people at home without access to basic health care until they hit an emergency room when it may be too late or if it isn't may cost them their home! I'm sorry this is one issue I feel strongly about and the more I see the more appalled I become again I say you judge a society by how it looks after those least able to look after themselves ..............

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

In so many ways America has the opportunity which so many other nations didn't have - being able to look at the models around the world and cherry pick the best of the best and avoid the worst of the worst.

How can any nation send funds abroad for any number of causes and have their own people at home without access to basic health care until they hit an emergency room when it may be too late or if it isn't may cost them their home! I'm sorry this is one issue I feel strongly about and the more I see the more appalled I become again I say you judge a society by how it looks after those least able to look after themselves ..............

Guilt trips? I think america does better than most to take care of their people. You might try saying the same to the taliban! or is that so ridiculous you wont even bother? There are more people around the world that could use your help! See the futility? I hope so.

[Widge 0]

In so many ways America has the opportunity which so many other nations didn't have - being able to look at the models around the world and cherry pick the best of the best and avoid the worst of the worst.

How can any nation send funds abroad for any number of causes and have their own people at home without access to basic health care until they hit an emergency room when it may be too late or if it isn't may cost them their home! I'm sorry this is one issue I feel strongly about and the more I see the more appalled I become again I say you judge a society by how it looks after those least able to look after themselves ..............

Guilt trips? I think america does better than most to take care of their people. You might try saying the same to the taliban! or is that so ridiculous you wont even bother? There are more people around the world that could use your help! See the futility? I hope so.

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[JohnK 0]

My father suggests that the government should pass laws that basically do this:

1) Require healthcare companies to set a fixed price for each of their healthcare plans. Every one that chooses a particular plan pays the same price as everyone else.

2) Require healthcare companies to accept ALL people who wish to purchase a healthcare plan. No cherry picking only the healthy people.

3) Like liability insurance is required for driving, require all people to at least purchase basic health insurance.

I'm sure there would be more to it, but I think that the healthcare companies in conjunction with the medical sector could still figure out how to make a profit. I know of course that there will be dickheads that refuse to buy the insurance just like people refuse to carry car insurance. Those people would have to be dealt with accordingly. But for the most part at least everyone could probably afford coverage of some sort.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

How can any nation send funds abroad for any number of causes and have their own people at home without access to basic health care until they hit an emergency room

I think it might have to do with planes flying into buildings. If its so bad here, why then do we have a gazillion people tryin to get here? I cant for the life of me understand why people want to come to such a fcked -up country.