What is your personal feeling why AP is taking so long in many cases?

[JODO 2]

Too, I do not think just plain ole fraud can be minimized. I just did a cursory look at the consular sheets for the countries that many of the ME/NA SO's come from including( Morocco, Jordan, the Palestinian Territories and Algeria) and none of them had this blurb posted on the Egypt consular sheet:

Many marriages between Egyptians and Americans are successful. However, the Embassy warns against marriage fraud on the part of the American or the Egyptian. Entering into a marriage contract for the principal purpose of facilitating immigration to the United States for an alien is against U.S. law and can result in serious penalties, including fines and imprisonment for the American citizen and the Egyptian. At the same time, it is not uncommon for Egyptians to enter into marriages with Americans solely for immigration purposes. Relationships developed via correspondence, particularly those begun on the Internet, are particularly susceptible to manipulation. The US government urges Americans who meet Egyptians on the Internet or while touring the country, to take the time necessary to get to know them before considering marriage. Unfortunately, the Embassy sees many cases of abuse against American spouses and often the marriages end in divorce when the Egyptian acquires a green card or citizenship in the U.S. These cases invariably occur when the relationship is based mostly on Internet communication and very little face-to-face interaction.

I would say probably at the top of the list of why Cairo may take longer than other ME/NA embassies is just plain fraud.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1108.html

Edited October 4, 2007 by JODO

[sara535 15]

Too, I do not think just plain ole fraud can be minimized. I just did a cursory look at the consular sheets for the countries that many of the ME/NA SO's come from including( Morocco, Jordan, the Palestinian Territories and Algeria) and none of them had this blurb posted on the Egypt consular sheet:

Many marriages between Egyptians and Americans are successful. However, the Embassy warns against marriage fraud on the part of the American or the Egyptian. Entering into a marriage contract for the principal purpose of facilitating immigration to the United States for an alien is against U.S. law and can result in serious penalties, including fines and imprisonment for the American citizen and the Egyptian. At the same time, it is not uncommon for Egyptians to enter into marriages with Americans solely for immigration purposes. Relationships developed via correspondence, particularly those begun on the Internet, are particularly susceptible to manipulation. The US government urges Americans who meet Egyptians on the Internet or while touring the country, to take the time necessary to get to know them before considering marriage. Unfortunately, the Embassy sees many cases of abuse against American spouses and often the marriages end in divorce when the Egyptian acquires a green card or citizenship in the U.S. These cases invariably occur when the relationship is based mostly on Internet communication and very little face-to-face interaction.

I would say probably at the top of the list of why Cairo may take longer than other ME/NA embassies is just plain fraud.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1108.html

right.

like it or not this is the way the consulate is looking at the cases. I think everyone going through Egypt should settle in and expect a long wait. Tell yourself and your SO it will be several months and then just TRY TRY TRY to stop watching the clock....

(((( hugs ))))) to everyone still waiting. hang in there! it will end!

[~~~water~~~ 0]

Too, I do not think just plain ole fraud can be minimized. I just did a cursory look at the consular sheets for the countries that many of the ME/NA SO's come from including( Morocco, Jordan, the Palestinian Territories and Algeria) and none of them had this blurb posted on the Egypt consular sheet:

Many marriages between Egyptians and Americans are successful. However, the Embassy warns against marriage fraud on the part of the American or the Egyptian. Entering into a marriage contract for the principal purpose of facilitating immigration to the United States for an alien is against U.S. law and can result in serious penalties, including fines and imprisonment for the American citizen and the Egyptian. At the same time, it is not uncommon for Egyptians to enter into marriages with Americans solely for immigration purposes. Relationships developed via correspondence, particularly those begun on the Internet, are particularly susceptible to manipulation. The US government urges Americans who meet Egyptians on the Internet or while touring the country, to take the time necessary to get to know them before considering marriage. Unfortunately, the Embassy sees many cases of abuse against American spouses and often the marriages end in divorce when the Egyptian acquires a green card or citizenship in the U.S. These cases invariably occur when the relationship is based mostly on Internet communication and very little face-to-face interaction.

I would say probably at the top of the list of why Cairo may take longer than other ME/NA embassies is just plain fraud.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1108.html

right.

like it or not this is the way the consulate is looking at the cases. I think everyone going through Egypt should settle in and expect a long wait. Tell yourself and your SO it will be several months and then just TRY TRY TRY to stop watching the clock....

(((( hugs ))))) to everyone still waiting. hang in there! it will end!

thanks sara good advice... Good info Jodo

[dawnnhatem 0]

Most of our wait was before the interview and not after in the form of AR...but still I clearly remember how hard it was to have our lives on hold, so I feel for everyone waiting, I really do. But I feel like adding here that knowing what I know now about what some of these guys say and do, if I could be a CO in one of the me/na countries, I'm not so sure anybody'd ever get a visa from me. Thats just based on what I've seen a few men do...I can't even imagine how skeptical I would be if I saw these cases day in and out. Anyways, I don't feel like defending the COs, but I can see what would make them extra critical of so many cases. I'm with Jac on the 14 yrs....If you think about it, that CO is the only one with the opportunity to personally sniff out the guys agenda and if your CO smells something, even if they can't immediately identify the smell, you are really depending on them to take a closer look at things, no matter how long that takes. Hope this doesn't upset anyone. Its just my thoughts here.

[tnh9479 1]

I remember a while back someone calling Casa after their SO's interview when it was said their petition was being returned to the States. The CO in Casa told this person that it all boiled down to a funding issue. I truly believe (and this is speculation on my part) that Casa would behave just like Egypt when it comes to cases they suspect (months of AR, home visits, etc) if they had the funds (manpower) to do so. Since they don't, they feel they can best serve the petitioner and get their point across by returning numerous petitions.

Like Sarah, I don't feel the CO's are being unfair. I think they are trying to serve their employers (the US citizens) in the best way they can. Do I think they are inept? YES. I work for my local county and the red tape and inability of people drives me crazy.

Twila

[anitacastillo 0]

Just be glad your SO is not from the DR!

Oh mi MENA amigas.....

This is the only place in VJ I read regularly. The short journey of others depresses me.

Why it takes so long.... a mystery. my theory: High demand v resources. Overall the US govt is not staffed for the demand of immigration. And the available resources are allocated to certain countries over others...

our story: We waited 18 mths for an interview in the Dominican Republic and now almost 6 months later we are still on AR. His fingerprints cleared in May, but his common name is not clearing SDO. I read somewhere this process is sometimes manual -- so I imagine someone in Wash DC looking at his pic compared to a stack of thousands... one by one... by ... one....

One piece of hope is the head of Consulate told my congressional representative's liason they don't doubt our relationship, just need the name clearance.

Thank you for letting me vent with this crowd. And good luck to us all.

Peace.

[sea_mirc 0]

Did I hear my name? Baby, I got skills you never seen

There is no way of knowing that you are being used for a greencard, til the day he slips off the ring and walks out the door. Was I suprised? Hell ya, all kinds of suprised. Was my 4 year-old granddaughter suprised? Oh yea, she misses Mohammed every damn day. Mohammed should win an Oscar for his stellar performance and also every one of his family, that embraced me for 5 years, only to NEVER call after he left, not one word from them. Mission accomplished, they can all come over now to America, job well done Mohammed.

Looking back, I wish his AP was 14 years instead of 14 days.

Jackie

Hi Sarah!

is this how u feel jackie now .. iam i used u for damen green card ?????? and u say u suprised ?? from what .. i think i should be the one who suprised not u .. and face the truth jackie . u did this and u asked me to take my ring off . and i gave u enough time to think before u breackup .. and u said NO . and plz dont use ur granddoughter on this coz u know how much i love her .. even till now i still have her pic's with me and in every where on my Room . iam not stelar and i will never be . and i have every thing to proof that wasnt my fult .. it's urs .. and u asked 4 it . and about my family .. u know how many times u trying to talk to them but they dont speake english so how do u wana them to contact u .. what to say .. all what i can say here jackie is may alla forgive u and blese u . take care of ur self .

Edited October 5, 2007 by sea_mirc

[JODO 2]

Hmmm sneak attack while everyone's asleep??? Get lost.

[Ban Hammer 13,489]

Did I hear my name? Baby, I got skills you never seen

There is no way of knowing that you are being used for a greencard, til the day he slips off the ring and walks out the door. Was I suprised? Hell ya, all kinds of suprised. Was my 4 year-old granddaughter suprised? Oh yea, she misses Mohammed every damn day. Mohammed should win an Oscar for his stellar performance and also every one of his family, that embraced me for 5 years, only to NEVER call after he left, not one word from them. Mission accomplished, they can all come over now to America, job well done Mohammed.

Looking back, I wish his AP was 14 years instead of 14 days.

Jackie

Hi Sarah!

is this how u feel jackie now .. iam i used u for damen green card ?????? and u say u suprised ?? from what .. i think i should be the one who suprised not u .. and face the truth jackie . u did this and u asked me to take my ring off . and i gave u enough time to think before u breackup .. and u said NO . and plz dont use ur granddoughter on this coz u know how much i love her .. even till now i still have her pic's with me and in every where on my Room . iam not stelar and i will never be . and i have every thing to proof that wasnt my fult .. it's urs .. and u asked 4 it . and about my family .. u know how many times u trying to talk to them but they dont speake english so how do u wana them to contact u .. what to say .. all what i can say here jackie is may alla forgive u and blese u . take care of ur self .

how do you expect her to feel? overly joyfull perhaps?

[doodlebug 3]

sea_mirc you are dayum lucky that Jackie doesn't report you to INS for what you have done. To just up and leave your wife like that and abandon that little grandchild without so much as a goodbye. You disgust me.

[dawnnhatem 0]

Moammad- I know this isn't my business, but you brought it to a public place and I'm not fasting so don't worry about getting me any forgiveness for this.

Only you two know how the conversation wentobviously, but actions speak louder anyway and you left her. She didn't leave you. Thats your wife. Not a girlfriend or roonmate, thats your wife. You promised her, God and everybody that you were going to love, respect, comfort, support, and protect her and be faithful forever and ever and theres no way she's so bad to you you can't do it. No way.

About the green card...you don't like her saying she was used, but actions still speak louder than words and you have this "proof" she was so horrible to you but you didn't leave one minute before securing your status.

Noone in your family speaks any english?? Noone? I doubt that but whatever, they know arabic and if they had even the smallest amount of respect for Jackie or marriage at all, they would have told you to go home and fix this. The only thing that makes sense about their silence is that they knew what you were up to all along.

And where did you go? to some house full of male cousins that all suffered their own painful, unfortunate tragic situations just like yours...One would think they of all people would understand your pain, and tell you how lucky you are to have a faithful wife that loves you and to go home and fix this before its too late. No way can they have even the smallest amount of respect for Jackie or marriage at all, or they would have sent you straight home. The only thing that makes sense is that they knew what you were up to all along.

By the way, its really creepy of you to be following her aound the internet trying to derail any support and comfort she might get from her friends here. Its really bad enough that you deliberately took yours away from her, you are a steaming dog ####### for invading the comfort she finds here.

[LaL 418]

Ok guys - this has potential to go very badly. Please refrain from the name calling or this thread will be locked. Thanks.

ETA : this is not a forum used to have a couple take swipes at each other. I would request Sea_Mirc and Jackie - should you need to discuss, please take it to PM or offline.

Edited October 5, 2007 by LaL

[dawnnhatem 0]

And another thing. The title of this thread asks why soooooo many cases get such long AP delays...This IS why!! I just deleted a long paragraph that wasn't nice...all I'm saying is we can thank the scammers out there for clogging the spousal visa system that they shouldn't be in in the first place. Its not funding or personnel shortages...its an overload of jokers abusing a system they shouldn't be in.

[dawnnhatem 0]

oops double post

Edited October 5, 2007 by dawnnhatem

[sarah and hicham 3]

Did I hear my name? Baby, I got skills you never seen

There is no way of knowing that you are being used for a greencard, til the day he slips off the ring and walks out the door. Was I suprised? Hell ya, all kinds of suprised. Was my 4 year-old granddaughter suprised? Oh yea, she misses Mohammed every damn day. Mohammed should win an Oscar for his stellar performance and also every one of his family, that embraced me for 5 years, only to NEVER call after he left, not one word from them. Mission accomplished, they can all come over now to America, job well done Mohammed.

Looking back, I wish his AP was 14 years instead of 14 days.

Jackie

Hi Sarah!

is this how u feel jackie now .. iam i used u for damen green card ?????? and u say u suprised ?? from what .. i think i should be the one who suprised not u .. and face the truth jackie . u did this and u asked me to take my ring off . and i gave u enough time to think before u breackup .. and u said NO . and plz dont use ur granddoughter on this coz u know how much i love her .. even till now i still have her pic's with me and in every where on my Room . iam not stelar and i will never be . and i have every thing to proof that wasnt my fult .. it's urs .. and u asked 4 it . and about my family .. u know how many times u trying to talk to them but they dont speake english so how do u wana them to contact u .. what to say .. all what i can say here jackie is may alla forgive u and blese u . take care of ur self .

Ok Mohammed I have a question. Let's say you and Jackie worked everything out then. You would go back home with her then, right?