What is your personal feeling why AP is taking so long in many cases?

[sarah and hicham 3]

I guess I look at it that is f*** up morroco denys so many valid relationship and its f*** you could reach Norway on a camel by the time Egypt finishes the prcocessing. Both situations are absolutly unfair and you don't see people from other most european counties ever having to deal with this. And yes I believe it is allllll about what the counsular thinks of you and how they like you and in that way it is verrrrry personal.

Do you think that the fraud factor of some MENA countries compared to that of Europe means nothing?

There are some fraud factors in other countries besides MENA and they do not have these ridiculously long wait times.

How about some examples?

Like others have said, Egypt handles many other countries going through the visa process.

How would the Consulate benefit from making people wait if they didn't have to? I just don't see why people think that everything is so simple when we have no idea what goes on in the Consulate. What good would come to the CO's by making people miserable and waiting? I feel bad for the CO's because I think they have a really hard job and clearly no one appreciates them doing their job. People around here spend the day bashing the Egyptian Consulate like they are actually going out of their way to ruin your lives.

Russia, Phillipines are also high fraud consulates not necessarily for men, but for women dying to leave their countries too.

As far as the other countries that are going through Egypt consulate I don't know about their wait times. I have no doubt that this process is simple in any way shape or form, but I don't feel bad for CO's at all. We have been lied to about wait times and that is very frustrating. I don't see anyone on here acting like they are going out of their way to ruin our lives.....I know that the CO that interviewed my husband probably forgot about him the next dayor that day...they handle so many cases.........and I don't think that the CO is the main person making all decisions on our case. I feel it has moved on to others and there seems to be a general carelessness from the consulate about they way they handle things, ie people's personal information, passports, etc.

I understand that you "feel" like your case has been passed around. That is speculation. Unless you have been in the Consulate and worked there then I doubt any of us can say what is and what is not happening there. I see people everyday on this board complaining about the Consulate and how they tear families apart and ruin relationships by making people wait. I don't see how you can say that they are careless. Yes they made a mistake by sending out the wrong passport. My husband got screwed over during AOS but you don't see me on here making generalizations about the entire US government and Immigration services about how careless they are. Mistakes are human.

[~~~water~~~ 0]

I was wondering what other people WHO ARE IN ap were thinking as to why we are stuck there and to give us a chance to talk about this so overshadowing part of our daily existence

Geez, sorry, I guess my ideas were not welcome.

Im sorry I have to admit I feel under attack from sarah , I don't know her and I know that many people on the other side who didn't experience this may be a little kurt. I didn't mean you and Im sorry for my wording. Im even sorry I posed the topic.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I was wondering what other people WHO ARE IN ap were thinking as to why we are stuck there and to give us a chance to talk about this so overshadowing part of our daily existence

Geez, sorry, I guess my ideas were not welcome.

Once again those who haven't experienced a long AP aren't allowed to discuss. Gosh, I have been told that too many times lately.

I didn't realze that those waiting had insider information and were the only ones who could discuss this topic.

[~~~water~~~ 0]

I was wondering what other people WHO ARE IN ap were thinking as to why we are stuck there and to give us a chance to talk about this so overshadowing part of our daily existence

Geez, sorry, I guess my ideas were not welcome.

Once again those who haven't experienced a long AP aren't allowed to discuss. Gosh, I have been told that too many times lately.

I didn't realze that those waiting had insider information and were the only ones who could discuss this topic.

Sarah its just you come off in harsh way I don't know what it is discuss all you want This fourum is for everyone which obviously you already know

Edited October 4, 2007 by water is wide

[sarah and hicham 3]

I was wondering what other people WHO ARE IN ap were thinking as to why we are stuck there and to give us a chance to talk about this so overshadowing part of our daily existence

Geez, sorry, I guess my ideas were not welcome.

Once again those who haven't experienced a long AP aren't allowed to discuss. Gosh, I have been told that too many times lately.

I didn't realze that those waiting had insider information and were the only ones who could discuss this topic.

Sarah its just you come off in harsh way I don't know what it is discuss all you want

I am discussing. I don't see how my opinion is any harsher than others.

[~~~water~~~ 0]

point taken

[Becky&Sam 0]

I guess I look at it that is f*** up morroco denys so many valid relationship and its f*** you could reach Norway on a camel by the time Egypt finishes the prcocessing. Both situations are absolutly unfair and you don't see people from other most european counties ever having to deal with this. And yes I believe it is allllll about what the counsular thinks of you and how they like you and in that way it is verrrrry personal.

Do you think that the fraud factor of some MENA countries compared to that of Europe means nothing?

There are some fraud factors in other countries besides MENA and they do not have these ridiculously long wait times.

How about some examples?

Like others have said, Egypt handles many other countries going through the visa process.

How would the Consulate benefit from making people wait if they didn't have to? I just don't see why people think that everything is so simple when we have no idea what goes on in the Consulate. What good would come to the CO's by making people miserable and waiting? I feel bad for the CO's because I think they have a really hard job and clearly no one appreciates them doing their job. People around here spend the day bashing the Egyptian Consulate like they are actually going out of their way to ruin your lives.

Russia, Phillipines are also high fraud consulates not necessarily for men, but for women dying to leave their countries too.

As far as the other countries that are going through Egypt consulate I don't know about their wait times. I have no doubt that this process is simple in any way shape or form, but I don't feel bad for CO's at all. We have been lied to about wait times and that is very frustrating. I don't see anyone on here acting like they are going out of their way to ruin our lives.....I know that the CO that interviewed my husband probably forgot about him the next dayor that day...they handle so many cases.........and I don't think that the CO is the main person making all decisions on our case. I feel it has moved on to others and there seems to be a general carelessness from the consulate about they way they handle things, ie people's personal information, passports, etc.

I understand that you "feel" like your case has been passed around. That is speculation. Unless you have been in the Consulate and worked there then I doubt any of us can say what is and what is not happening there. I see people everyday on this board complaining about the Consulate and how they tear families apart and ruin relationships by making people wait. I don't see how you can say that they are careless. Yes they made a mistake by sending out the wrong passport. My husband got screwed over during AOS but you don't see me on here making generalizations about the entire US government and Immigration services about how careless they are. Mistakes are human.

I know for a fact that there are others dealing with issues on our case as they have contacted my husband's family and also him by phone. They had his information at that time...also they misrepresented themselves to his grandparents and my husband, stating they were with DHL and had papers to deliver for him...but asked questions about our relationship and things that had nothing to do with delivery. Also these "DHL" delivery men went to the neighborhood store and asked about us with our pictures. So I feel that we have multiple reasons to be dissatisfied with the way our case has been handled in Cairo. I sent an email to Cairo consulate questioning them about this situation, but no response. So our dealings with them have not been on the up and up at all. I don't pretend to know why these things are happening, but I do know that carelessness comes into play with a lot of the "mistakes" that have happened out of Cairo. So the "generalizations" I am making are based on our personal experiences and other experiences that have shared them. That is what this whole thread is about ........those of us that are in long AP and what our opinions are about why this happens.

[ayesha4akram 0]

I feel my life is just slipping away as i start each week telling myself, this could be the week we get good news! And the weeks turn into months and the beginning of each month i tell myself, this could be the month we get good news, and month after month we get the same response. and that's how i spend my free time! Just thinking, waiting, praying and HOPING that we can be together soon, before i go wither away in complete despair and madness.

Trying to keep my spirits high, but sometimes, when i think how long it's taking and not knowing how much longer it will take, it's like a kick in the stomach or a slap in the face.

Anyway, tomorrow's Friday and monday is around the corner, and that could be the week we get good news......

Hugs,

Ayesha

[Becky&Sam 0]

I was wondering what other people WHO ARE IN ap were thinking as to why we are stuck there and to give us a chance to talk about this so overshadowing part of our daily existence

Geez, sorry, I guess my ideas were not welcome.

Im sorry I have to admit I feel under attack from sarah , I don't know her and I know that many people on the other side who didn't experience this may be a little kurt. I didn't mean you and Im sorry for my wording. Im even sorry I posed the topic.

I don't feel hurt, but others that have not experienced what we are going through don't have an understanding of what it is like to deal with this. Don't worry about any attack. We are all free to express our opinions and feelings here.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I guess I look at it that is f*** up morroco denys so many valid relationship and its f*** you could reach Norway on a camel by the time Egypt finishes the prcocessing. Both situations are absolutly unfair and you don't see people from other most european counties ever having to deal with this. And yes I believe it is allllll about what the counsular thinks of you and how they like you and in that way it is verrrrry personal.

Do you think that the fraud factor of some MENA countries compared to that of Europe means nothing?

There are some fraud factors in other countries besides MENA and they do not have these ridiculously long wait times.

How about some examples?

Like others have said, Egypt handles many other countries going through the visa process.

How would the Consulate benefit from making people wait if they didn't have to? I just don't see why people think that everything is so simple when we have no idea what goes on in the Consulate. What good would come to the CO's by making people miserable and waiting? I feel bad for the CO's because I think they have a really hard job and clearly no one appreciates them doing their job. People around here spend the day bashing the Egyptian Consulate like they are actually going out of their way to ruin your lives.

Russia, Phillipines are also high fraud consulates not necessarily for men, but for women dying to leave their countries too.

As far as the other countries that are going through Egypt consulate I don't know about their wait times. I have no doubt that this process is simple in any way shape or form, but I don't feel bad for CO's at all. We have been lied to about wait times and that is very frustrating. I don't see anyone on here acting like they are going out of their way to ruin our lives.....I know that the CO that interviewed my husband probably forgot about him the next dayor that day...they handle so many cases.........and I don't think that the CO is the main person making all decisions on our case. I feel it has moved on to others and there seems to be a general carelessness from the consulate about they way they handle things, ie people's personal information, passports, etc.

I understand that you "feel" like your case has been passed around. That is speculation. Unless you have been in the Consulate and worked there then I doubt any of us can say what is and what is not happening there. I see people everyday on this board complaining about the Consulate and how they tear families apart and ruin relationships by making people wait. I don't see how you can say that they are careless. Yes they made a mistake by sending out the wrong passport. My husband got screwed over during AOS but you don't see me on here making generalizations about the entire US government and Immigration services about how careless they are. Mistakes are human.

I know for a fact that there are others dealing with issues on our case as they have contacted my husband's family and also him by phone. They had his information at that time...also they misrepresented themselves to his grandparents and my husband, stating they were with DHL and had papers to deliver for him...but asked questions about our relationship and things that had nothing to do with delivery. Also these "DHL" delivery men went to the neighborhood store and asked about us with our pictures. So I feel that we have multiple reasons to be dissatisfied with the way our case has been handled in Cairo. I sent an email to Cairo consulate questioning them about this situation, but no response. So our dealings with them have not been on the up and up at all. I don't pretend to know why these things are happening, but I do know that carelessness comes into play with a lot of the "mistakes" that have happened out of Cairo. So the "generalizations" I am making are based on our personal experiences and other experiences that have shared them. That is what this whole thread is about ........those of us that are in long AP and what our opinions are about why this happens.

What is wrong with more than one person handling your case? Can the CO give the interview and do a field investigation along with other responsibilities? I don't understand why it's not ok for more than one Consular to handle your case.

Edited October 4, 2007 by sarah and hicham

[~~~water~~~ 0]

Just want to say I did not mean to slight anyone and of course any of you who want to chime in please do.

wether in ap no ap whats ap speak up

Edited October 4, 2007 by water is wide

[Becky&Sam 0]

I guess I look at it that is f*** up morroco denys so many valid relationship and its f*** you could reach Norway on a camel by the time Egypt finishes the prcocessing. Both situations are absolutly unfair and you don't see people from other most european counties ever having to deal with this. And yes I believe it is allllll about what the counsular thinks of you and how they like you and in that way it is verrrrry personal.

Do you think that the fraud factor of some MENA countries compared to that of Europe means nothing?

There are some fraud factors in other countries besides MENA and they do not have these ridiculously long wait times.

How about some examples?

Like others have said, Egypt handles many other countries going through the visa process.

How would the Consulate benefit from making people wait if they didn't have to? I just don't see why people think that everything is so simple when we have no idea what goes on in the Consulate. What good would come to the CO's by making people miserable and waiting? I feel bad for the CO's because I think they have a really hard job and clearly no one appreciates them doing their job. People around here spend the day bashing the Egyptian Consulate like they are actually going out of their way to ruin your lives.

Russia, Phillipines are also high fraud consulates not necessarily for men, but for women dying to leave their countries too.

As far as the other countries that are going through Egypt consulate I don't know about their wait times. I have no doubt that this process is simple in any way shape or form, but I don't feel bad for CO's at all. We have been lied to about wait times and that is very frustrating. I don't see anyone on here acting like they are going out of their way to ruin our lives.....I know that the CO that interviewed my husband probably forgot about him the next dayor that day...they handle so many cases.........and I don't think that the CO is the main person making all decisions on our case. I feel it has moved on to others and there seems to be a general carelessness from the consulate about they way they handle things, ie people's personal information, passports, etc.

I understand that you "feel" like your case has been passed around. That is speculation. Unless you have been in the Consulate and worked there then I doubt any of us can say what is and what is not happening there. I see people everyday on this board complaining about the Consulate and how they tear families apart and ruin relationships by making people wait. I don't see how you can say that they are careless. Yes they made a mistake by sending out the wrong passport. My husband got screwed over during AOS but you don't see me on here making generalizations about the entire US government and Immigration services about how careless they are. Mistakes are human.

I know for a fact that there are others dealing with issues on our case as they have contacted my husband's family and also him by phone. They had his information at that time...also they misrepresented themselves to his grandparents and my husband, stating they were with DHL and had papers to deliver for him...but asked questions about our relationship and things that had nothing to do with delivery. Also these "DHL" delivery men went to the neighborhood store and asked about us with our pictures. So I feel that we have multiple reasons to be dissatisfied with the way our case has been handled in Cairo. I sent an email to Cairo consulate questioning them about this situation, but no response. So our dealings with them have not been on the up and up at all. I don't pretend to know why these things are happening, but I do know that carelessness comes into play with a lot of the "mistakes" that have happened out of Cairo. So the "generalizations" I am making are based on our personal experiences and other experiences that have shared them. That is what this whole thread is about ........those of us that are in long AP and what our opinions are about why this happens.

What is wrong with more than one person handling your case? Can the CO give the interview and do a field investigation along with other responsibilities? I don't understand why it's not ok for more than one Consular to handle your case.

I have no problems with more people handling the case...........it is the what they are doing that is not appropriate or right.

[LaL 418]

I guess I look at it that is f*** up morroco denys so many valid relationship and its f***** you could reach Norway on a camel by the time Egypt finishes their prcocessing. Both situations are absolutely unfair and you don't see people from other european counties ever having to deal with this much waiting and suffering. And yes I believe it is allllll about what the counsular thinks of you and how they like you and in that way it is verrrrry personal.

Be sure to know that my Egyptian huband went through 8 months of AR but resided in Canada at the time. I am not unfamiliar with the hell that you feel. I was provided false information many times throughout by the DOS & Montreal. Its not just a Cairo thing. We now also have been waiting 2 years since filing for AOS for some kind of approval.

Just be glad your SO is not from the DR!

24 months just to *get* an interview is quite hard to swallow, as is the ones who went way off the scale as far as *normal* processing goes (Shon, Yasi and others do come to mind as well as all the sad stories of consular returns).

Honestly - each step of the process there is something *potentially* terrible you are up against. You can see it prior to the interview, during AR, and even posted here the hardships pending EAD adjudication. This process through & through is a hardship. Please don't take this as me minimizing your anguish. I remember it well, and am encouraging you to breathe deeply, take care of yourselves, and try to live as normally as possible. Venting can be very constructive!

Edited October 4, 2007 by LaL

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

We have to keep our trust, our HOPE, and our love! The rest will be taken care of with time.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Since I've been on VJ, I've seen Egypt ARs/APs run anywhere from a week or two all the way up to 11 months and more. Many of you have been waiting a really long time -- 4 and 6 and 8 months or more -- but it's not really outside the "normal" range for this consulate.

I don't know why Cairo seems to take so much longer than some other consulates. It's probably a combination of factors that have already been mentioned -- the size of the caseload, the extra difficulties in completing security checks when they are dealing with so many similar names... plus the additional factors of simply being a ME/NA country, and the need for extra scrutiny because of the higher incidence of fraud.

We don't know everything that's going on behind the scenes in Cairo. The consulate may be privy to information we (the USC) are not aware of. (Not trying to scare anyone, but I've seen some real shockers here on VJ about stuff the consulate dug up -- stuff the USC was completely unaware of.)

Name checks are only part of the time-consuming tasks that immigration must complete. Most of the consulate's job is determining if the parties are actually eligible for visas, and if there is evidence of fraud. This can be a very complicated determination to make, so gathering evidence and sifting through it may take a long time. But I certainly don't think it's a matter of the consulate "having it in" for certain people, and deliberately (and frivolously) delaying those cases.

I think it's perfectly normal to have feelings of being somehow personally singled out for harrassment, but those feelings should not be allowed to overcome one's ability to reason logically and unemotionally. The consulate is doing a job -- maybe they're slow, but it's not because they personally don't like you or your case.

Also, I don't think you have to "experience" a lengthy AR to sympathize with the frustrations and anger it can cause -- I think the venting here is absolutely understandable.

Wishing everyone who is still waiting (whether they vent or not) to have a speedy completion of their process, so they may be reunited with their loved ones as soon as possible.

-MK