What is your personal feeling why AP is taking so long in many cases?

[Becky&Sam 0]

I feel that if someone's security checks and clearances can be done in 1 month to six weeks...unless you have some type of security flag happen........... having some people get visas in six weeks or less and others wait more that six months is ridiculous!!

Personal feelings about visa issuance and why times are so differing will range widely depending upon if you have had to wait a long time or got the visa within a reasonable time frame.

When you call DOS and the case is complete on their end and you know that other inquiries, checks have been completed months ago....what conclusion do you come to???

Trying to do their job correctly doesn't come high to my mind when I hear about them shipping out incorrect passports to individuals, or passports without the visa in them, etc. This does not speak to me of people caring about their job and making sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed... in my opinion.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I guess I look at it that is f*** up morroco denys so many valid relationship and its f*** you could reach Norway on a camel by the time Egypt finishes the prcocessing. Both situations are absolutly unfair and you don't see people from other most european counties ever having to deal with this. And yes I believe it is allllll about what the counsular thinks of you and how they like you and in that way it is verrrrry personal.

Do you think that the fraud factor of some MENA countries compared to that of Europe means nothing?

[~~~water~~~ 0]

but its what he writes on that file at the interview that matters.

[~~~water~~~ 0]

I was also wondering how hard do you think it would be to bring back an egyptian street dog puppy ? I really think there so cute but I think it would be hard. But proablly eaiser than it is to bring a husband or fiance home.

[Becky&Sam 0]

I guess I look at it that is f*** up morroco denys so many valid relationship and its f*** you could reach Norway on a camel by the time Egypt finishes the prcocessing. Both situations are absolutly unfair and you don't see people from other most european counties ever having to deal with this. And yes I believe it is allllll about what the counsular thinks of you and how they like you and in that way it is verrrrry personal.

Do you think that the fraud factor of some MENA countries compared to that of Europe means nothing?

There are some fraud factors in other countries besides MENA and they do not have these ridiculously long wait times.

[ya falaha! 0]

I agree. The fraud factor of MENA countries alone is the reason why nearly all MENA beneficiaries get AP. Let's be honest with ourselves, loads of men are dying to leave MENA countries and will do whatever it takes to get out. The consulates know this.

I guess I look at it that is f*** up morroco denys so many valid relationship and its f*** you could reach Norway on a camel by the time Egypt finishes the prcocessing. Both situations are absolutly unfair and you don't see people from other most european counties ever having to deal with this. And yes I believe it is allllll about what the counsular thinks of you and how they like you and in that way it is verrrrry personal.

Do you think that the fraud factor of some MENA countries compared to that of Europe means nothing?

[sara535 15]

Oh I get it about the name hits and the fingerprints but that all happens at the DOS level. We're talking about what happens when those checks are completed and there's no apparent reason that DOS can tell that the visa is not yet issued.

But thats also assuming that the info you are getting from the DOS on any given day is accurate. How do you know the checks are complete when you can call 10 times in 2 days and get 10 different answers? the fact is that yes, Cairo is hugely busy, the DOS is hugely busy and one thing thats clear is the left hand NEVER knows what the right is doing.

I also totally agree with Laura regarding the differences in names between Morocco and Egypt. My husband has a first name and a distinct last name. In Egypt where you have name-fathers name- grandfathers name can you begin to imagine how many thousands of people might have the same set of names??

Add all that to the fact that yes, COs can be suspicious about cases and that Cairo is in fact a high fraud consulate, the fact that UNDOUBTEDLY there is huge pressure here stateside regarding allowing Muslim males of a certain age into the country and it shouldnt be a surprise that there is a long wait time in which the parties involved feel like they are in a black hole. for what its worth, I have been here watching and reading the cases on this board for several years now and Egypt has always been a nightmare. its not getting any worse. Just not any better.

All I can say is what I have said before, I KNOW its extremely frustrating to wait but I dont really agree with the victim mentality. I also think that calling and emailing often just feeds in to the 'watched pot' feeling. Days are just going to be longer and longer and pass slower and slower when all the time your focus is on how long and slow they are. When I first filed my I-129 to Nebraska it was taking forever to get an NOA 1. we waited almost 6 months. I KNOW that the days and weeks I obsessively checked the USCIS sites and watched others getting approved before us it almost sent me over the edge. I raged and railed about what they could POSSIBLY be doing at the service centers to make it take so long, and how could other service centers do in 2 weeks what it took nebraska 6 months to do? at the end of the day all it did was piss me off. when I finally took a deep breath and realized it just is what it is and that it was negatively effecting my life way more than it should, I calmed down and got on with life and guess what? eventually we got all our papers and got approved and its all in the past now.

Sorry to go on and on, I guess my 2 cents is closer to 2 bucks on this one.

[Jenn! 918]

Just be glad your SO is not from the DR!

[ya falaha! 0]

The street dogs are at least more loyal than some of the MENA SOs.

I was also wondering how hard do you think it would be to bring back an egyptian street dog puppy ? I really think there so cute but I think it would be hard. But proablly eaiser than it is to bring a husband or fiance home.

[~~~water~~~ 0]

Exactly there are many consulates with high fraud rates that do not operate like this

You think people from bulgaria or chezc republic aren't commiting fraud....... its basicallyethnic proofiling not fraud profiling

[sarah and hicham 3]

I guess I look at it that is f*** up morroco denys so many valid relationship and its f*** you could reach Norway on a camel by the time Egypt finishes the prcocessing. Both situations are absolutly unfair and you don't see people from other most european counties ever having to deal with this. And yes I believe it is allllll about what the counsular thinks of you and how they like you and in that way it is verrrrry personal.

Do you think that the fraud factor of some MENA countries compared to that of Europe means nothing?

There are some fraud factors in other countries besides MENA and they do not have these ridiculously long wait times.

How about some examples?

Like others have said, Egypt handles many other countries going through the visa process.

How would the Consulate benefit from making people wait if they didn't have to? I just don't see why people think that everything is so simple when we have no idea what goes on in the Consulate. What good would come to the CO's by making people miserable and waiting? I feel bad for the CO's because I think they have a really hard job and clearly no one appreciates them doing their job. People around here spend the day bashing the Egyptian Consulate like they are actually going out of their way to ruin your lives.

[Becky&Sam 0]

I guess I look at it that is f*** up morroco denys so many valid relationship and its f*** you could reach Norway on a camel by the time Egypt finishes the prcocessing. Both situations are absolutly unfair and you don't see people from other most european counties ever having to deal with this. And yes I believe it is allllll about what the counsular thinks of you and how they like you and in that way it is verrrrry personal.

Do you think that the fraud factor of some MENA countries compared to that of Europe means nothing?

There are some fraud factors in other countries besides MENA and they do not have these ridiculously long wait times.

How about some examples?

Like others have said, Egypt handles many other countries going through the visa process.

How would the Consulate benefit from making people wait if they didn't have to? I just don't see why people think that everything is so simple when we have no idea what goes on in the Consulate. What good would come to the CO's by making people miserable and waiting? I feel bad for the CO's because I think they have a really hard job and clearly no one appreciates them doing their job. People around here spend the day bashing the Egyptian Consulate like they are actually going out of their way to ruin your lives.

Russia, Phillipines are also high fraud consulates not necessarily for men, but for women dying to leave their countries too.

As far as the other countries that are going through Egypt consulate I don't know about their wait times. I have no doubt that this process is simple in any way shape or form, but I don't feel bad for CO's at all. We have been lied to about wait times and that is very frustrating. I don't see anyone on here acting like they are going out of their way to ruin our lives.....I know that the CO that interviewed my husband probably forgot about him the next dayor that day...they handle so many cases.........and I don't think that the CO is the main person making all decisions on our case. I feel it has moved on to others and there seems to be a general carelessness from the consulate about they way they handle things, ie people's personal information, passports, etc.

[~~~water~~~ 0]

Well if they are so taxed by so many other cases perhaps the need more staff? I don't know how they work I just know that thier wait times are the longest of any country. You could have a fiance from cuba or iran here much faster. I don't want to argue. Obviously some people are "lucky" maybe your one of them. But for all of us stuck here in AP it is clear this is anthing but an efficent system and I was wondering what other people WHO ARE IN ap were thinking as to why we are stuck there and to give us a chance to talk about this so overshadowing part of our daily existence. Im happy the co's have someone like sarah on there side. Maybe you should send them an email to tell them what a great job they are doing

Edited October 4, 2007 by water is wide

[Jenn! 918]

I was wondering what other people WHO ARE IN ap were thinking as to why we are stuck there and to give us a chance to talk about this so overshadowing part of our daily existence

Geez, sorry, I guess my ideas were not welcome.

[Becky&Sam 0]

Well if they are so taxed by so many other cases perhaps the need more staff? I don't know how they work I just know that there wait times are the longest of any country. You could have a fiance from cuba or iran here much faster. I don't want to argue. Obviously some people are "lucky" maybe your one of them. But for all of us stuck here in AP it is clear this is anthing but an efficent system and I was wondering what other people WHO ARE IN ap were thinking as to why we are stuck there and to give us a chance to talk about this so overshadowing part of our daily existence

It does become an overshadow over your daily life.. no matter how hard you try not to let it. I feel like it is taking away my hope.