Bush vetoes expansion of kids' health insurance program

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

[Peikko 1,575]

What's tragic is that your principles seem to fly in the face of logic, it's almost like you would rather die than admit that there might be merit in the idea of universal health care.

The system you want to preserve is demonstrably worse than a public health care replacement, and yet you doggedly stick to this dinasaur because? Is it simply spite, you didn't get the help when you probably could have used it so why should anyone else, especially if, woe betide, there's a possibility that they might not deserve it?

I could just about understand the logic if it really was going to cost those who currently pay health insurance a huge amount more to change systems. I could understand it if, under a universal health care system you couldn't have choices but to do so because your contribution, while lower, might help someone who hasn't paid seems petty.

Also, to use the "cross I have to bear" ananology is a litthe ott.

[no name 1]

Also, to use the "cross I have to bear" ananology is a little the ott.

[GaryC 7]

Ok, let me relate to you why I my particular opinions. I know that some here will not care one way or another but it may shed some light for others on why I think the way I do.

First of all I was raised on a mid-west farm by a father that went through the depression and WW2. Needless to say self reliance and hard work were the central values that were impressed upon me. When I was 16 my mother became very ill with colon cancer. At the time my father was working as a union carpenter and had Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance. My father put everything aside to take care of mom. He spared no expense and watching him instilled a great deal of pride in him. His insurance had a 1 million dollar limit on it. My mother went through that in about 8 months. She endured 5 major operations, chemo and radiation treatments. In the end my mother didn't make it. My father was left without his farm, house and was still $750,000 in debt. He could have asked for public assistance but turned it down. He could have declared bankruptcy but didn't. He worked his butt off for the next 20 years to pay off his debt. I asked him why he didn't take the easy way out. He told me that it was important to take responsibility for your family and to do what ever it takes to do what is right. In the end things worked out for Dad. He is debt free, retired and has a wonderful wife who loves him very much. God took care of dad because dad didn't loose his faith. That is my guiding principals and that is how I live my life. He always told me the road to hell is wide and easy but the road to salvation is twisted and hard. We are in the end a summation of how we live our lives. In my life I have never met a person I respect more than my father. I can only hope to be half the man he is.

[Cassie 8]

The one benefit to a UHS is that everyone is automatically in it. That means that all of the young twenty-somethings who are in good health and normally would skate by without insurance are in the risk pool, and if you understand how insurance works, that pretty much automatically translates to a lower cost.

Not when the government is running it. It will become bloated, convoluted and inefficient. In a short time no one will have quality care. If your goal is to have everyone covered equally then I guess that is what will happen. Everyone will be equally screwed.

Gary, I know you don't want to hear it but there isn't a single government anywhere in the world - including here in the US - that has managed to create a more bloated, convoluted, messy and inefficient health care system than that created by the private industry here in the US. Not one. Your assertion is based on what, exactly?

I personally am interested in hearing an answer to this question, because frankly, Gary, I find it very ironic that you are loathe to get the government involved in running a universal healthcare system for the reasons you have stated above, yet support them in the bloated, convoluted mess that they have created in Iraq. Then again, perhaps that just serves to prove your point!

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

According to Charles we all shoulda joined the military to get free health care.

you should give it a go. but i know, if it's not free you're not interested.

[Sinergy 3]

I know that I am right and the castigation of others is just the last refuge of someone that has nothing else to offer.

oh good god, get over it!

yea, that comment can go where the sun dont shine IMO. omg i better hush before i break TOS

I will say this tho Gary, your shallowness will only hurt you in the end.

your not the only one who had a life like yours growing up, there are MANY ppl who had it worse and are a better person than i see you right now after alot of your comments today.

i will go offline now so i dont say anything i might regret.

Edited October 4, 2007 by Ionescu

[Dan J 277]

According to Charles we all shoulda joined the military to get free health care.

you should give it a go. but i know, if it's not free you're not interested.

No social health care plan is free. Unless maybe your are retired, or poor. Or been in the military for long enough.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

According to Charles we all shoulda joined the military to get free health care.

you should give it a go. but i know, if it's not free you're not interested.

Since she and her husband both work full time (her husband works 60 hours+ weeks) I'm not sure where you get that impression.

But I guess you might not be interested in tales of those who might work hard and yet still be uninsured since it kind of messes with your argument.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

What's tragic is that your principles seem to fly in the face of logic, it's almost like you would rather die than admit that there might be merit in the idea of universal health care.

The system you want to preserve is demonstrably worse than a public health care replacement, and yet you doggedly stick to this dinasaur because? Is it simply spite, you didn't get the help when you probably could have used it so why should anyone else, especially if, woe betide, there's a possibility that they might not deserve it?

I could just about understand the logic if it really was going to cost those who currently pay health insurance a huge amount more to change systems. I could understand it if, under a universal health care system you couldn't have choices but to do so because your contribution, while lower, might help someone who hasn't paid seems petty.

Also, to use the "cross I have to bear" ananology is a litthe ott.

A hundred years ago you wouldnt even be thinking about this,youd be worried about food and fire wood! Seein all the hard works been done for ya we got our hand out and biotchin about whos gonna take care of us.Funny how things change. Theres your tragedy.

[Caladan 19]

I know that I am right and the castigation of others is just the last refuge of someone that has nothing else to offer.

oh good god, get over it!

Aren't you the one castigating any one less fortunate that you for being lazy?

[Cassie 8]

I know that I am right and the castigation of others is just the last refuge of someone that has nothing else to offer.

oh good god, get over it!

Aren't you the one castigating any one less fortunate that you for being lazy?

*cough*ohtheirony*cough*

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Or been in the military for long enough.

My god, some in the military dont get to use their "FREE" healthcare cuz they are dead! There is some free healthcare.WOW!

[GaryC 7]

I know that I am right and the castigation of others is just the last refuge of someone that has nothing else to offer.

oh good god, get over it!

Aren't you the one castigating any one less fortunate that you for being lazy?

No, I am just pointing out that one should take care of themselves rather that depending on others. Not wanting a socalist co-dependant country isn't castigating the poor, it's defending the very values that made America great. The poor are that way for a reason. I can point out success stories from every walk of life and from every circumstance. The difference between those that made it and those that didn't is personal will and self reliance. If you don't like that, tough.

[no name 1]

I know that I am right and the castigation of others is just the last refuge of someone that has nothing else to offer.

oh good god, get over it!

Aren't you the one castigating any one less fortunate that you for being lazy?

*cough*ohtheirony*cough*