Mistake costs illegal immigrant dishwasher $59,000

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

If a US citizen Evades paying taxes not only are they fined, made to pay penalties, interest they are also more than likely to serve time in prison.

If a USA citizen goes to guatamala and resides there illegally and tries to work illegally you can bet that individual would be paying seriously for it.

Why are some so agaisnt USA enforcing it's own federal laws and immigration laws.

Laws a law you break the law pay the fine. If he was ordered by a judge to leave by January and then subsequently released back into USA with a promise to surrender for deportation we can bet his ### will NOT surrender and will go back to working illegally most like find a women and drop an anchor baby, so he is better off than people think.

I think it is BS that he is given until January to surrender for deportation, they should SAVE the tax payers money and send him back on th enext Donkey ride back over the border

Edited September 28, 2007 by Addie_Goodvibes

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

The deduction for the Iraq war, and corporate and wealthy tax evaders is many times more.

Put it in perspective, and and its hardly worth spending any time trying to collect unpaid taxes from someone who hardly owes anything in the first place.

When all else fails, defer to the Iraq war after all it makes you feel good.

[Dan J 277]

Site your sources Dan

Also Why should Illegal Immigrants be given any priviliages, leniancy, handouts or pity.

I'm not saying they should. But your basing your argument on the cost of illegal immigrants. But that cost is a fraction, compared to the costs incurred by citizens.

Sources:

Tax gap in 2001 was over $300 billion. Most of it being individual underreporting, or I make more money than I told the IRS I did.

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=154496,00.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/05/...D8NLNJT00.shtml

There is no accurate data on the amount of unpaid taxes but they do pay some taxes. Depending what they make, their tax burden in most cases is already really low. At minimum wage, for a single person the tax is about $800 per year, for a couple, its pretty much 0. Remember, you only pay taxes on what you make above the standard deduction. Which is about $5000 for a single person, and $10,000 for a couple.

But the anti immigration group CIS, does show that they pay some taxes:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalrelease.html

They also show the stats for the other comparisons.

http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml

* The United States spends nearly $100 billion per year to provide uninsured residents with health services, often for preventable diseases or diseases that physicians could treat more efficiently with earlier diagnosis (14).

* Hospitals provide about $34 billion worth of uncompensated care a year (14).

* Another $37 billion is paid by private and public payers for health services for the uninsured and $26 billion is paid out-of-pocket by those who lack coverage (14).

* The uninsured are 30 to 50 percent more likely to be hospitalized for an avoidable condition, with the average cost of an avoidable hospital stayed estimated to be about $3,300 (14).

* The increasing reliance of the uninsured on the emergency department has serious economic implications, since the cost of treating patients is higher in the emergency department than in other outpatient clinics and medical practices (11).

Compare that to this:

Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

It also shows the total cost each year comes to be about $10 billion for illegal immigrants.

But financially, unless we can solve illegal immigration for less than $10 billion a year, we are more or less better off with the status quo. Just on tax enforcement, the government spends about $50 billion per year.

[JohnK 0]

Lets assume he did pay taxes. Which over 11 years makes his tax burden about $9000 (more or less since tax rates have changed a bit over time). So he leaves the country with $50,000 instead. There are many people who would still be upset by that.

Is there a point here? Trying to win an argument by changing facts into hypotheticals is a waste of time.

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

It is so easy to take focus off fo the real issue, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

HE COMMITED SEVERAL FEDERAL CRIMES

DEPORTATION HE is NOT entitled to ANY special treatment regardless of what laws US citizens breAK OR HOW MUCH usa CITZENS COST HEALTH CARE ECTT.

his case

HE IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, FEDERAL CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIEN

IN HIS CASE HE IS BEING RIGHTFULLY DEPORTED AND MADE TO PAY WHAT HE OWES.

[Dan J 277]

If a US citizen Evades paying taxes not only are they fined, made to pay penalties, interest they are also more than likely to serve time in prison.

If a USA citizen goes to guatamala and resides there illegally and tries to work illegally you can bet that individual would be paying seriously for it.

Why are some so agaisnt USA enforcing it's own federal laws and immigration laws.

Laws a law you break the law pay the fine. If he was ordered by a judge to leave by January and then subsequently released back into USA with a promise to surrender for deportation we can bet his ### will NOT surrender and will go back to working illegally most like find a women and drop an anchor baby, so he is better off than people think.

I think it is BS that he is given until January to surrender for deportation, they should SAVE the tax payers money and send him back on th enext Donkey ride back over the border

Who is more worth your time? The citizen who hides several million in a tax shelter or the illegal immigrant who is slaving away at minimum wage? Lets add this too, it will cost you $10,000 to audit and prosecute the person to recover the money.

[JohnK 0]

Who is more worth your time? The citizen who hides several million in a tax shelter or the illegal immigrant who is slaving away at minimum wage? Lets add this too, it will cost you $10,000 to audit and prosecute the person to recover the money.

They are both worth our time. Crime is crime. You don't let people get away with committing crimes just because it's not it the governments best financial interest to solve or prevent them.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Lets assume he did pay taxes. Which over 11 years makes his tax burden about $9000 (more or less since tax rates have changed a bit over time). So he leaves the country with $50,000 instead. There are many people who would still be upset by that.

Is there a point here? Trying to win an argument by changing facts into hypotheticals is a waste of time.

Bud, its how they play. They have no roots! Just remember, weebles wobble but they dont fall down. Kinda like the dummy you use to hit as a child.It just keeps standin up only to be slapped again.

[Dan J 277]

Who is more worth your time? The citizen who hides several million in a tax shelter or the illegal immigrant who is slaving away at minimum wage? Lets add this too, it will cost you $10,000 to audit and prosecute the person to recover the money.

They are both worth our time. Crime is crime. You don't let people get away with committing crimes just because it's not it the governments best financial interest to solve or prevent them.

Tax evasion is not the same kind of crime as any violent offense. It also costs money to basically recover money. If the negative cost of recovery + the amount recovered is not overall positive, its not worth the governments time to try to recover the money. Cost of not paying is a loss yes, but the cost of recovery can be a much bigger loss.

It is so easy to take focus off fo the real issue, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

HE COMMITED SEVERAL FEDERAL CRIMES

DEPORTATION HE is NOT entitled to ANY special treatment regardless of what laws US citizens breAK OR HOW MUCH usa CITZENS COST HEALTH CARE ECTT.

his case

HE IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, FEDERAL CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIEN

IN HIS CASE HE IS BEING RIGHTFULLY DEPORTED AND MADE TO PAY WHAT HE OWES.

Get over it, the world is not ending.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Who is more worth your time? The citizen who hides several million in a tax shelter or the illegal immigrant who is slaving away at minimum wage? Lets add this too, it will cost you $10,000 to audit and prosecute the person to recover the money.

They are both worth our time. Crime is crime. You don't let people get away with committing crimes just because it's not it the governments best financial interest to solve or prevent them.

Tax evasion is not the same kind of crime as any violent offense. It also costs money to basically recover money. If the negative cost of recovery + the amount recovered is not overall positive, its not worth the governments time to try to recover the money. Cost of not paying is a loss yes, but the cost of recovery can be a much bigger loss.

It is so easy to take focus off fo the real issue, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

HE COMMITED SEVERAL FEDERAL CRIMES

DEPORTATION HE is NOT entitled to ANY special treatment regardless of what laws US citizens breAK OR HOW MUCH usa CITZENS COST HEALTH CARE ECTT.

his case

HE IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, FEDERAL CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIEN

IN HIS CASE HE IS BEING RIGHTFULLY DEPORTED AND MADE TO PAY WHAT HE OWES.

Get over it, the world is not ending.

Dan, just write the guy a check. Put a little hmmmmffff behind your words. Talk is cheap.

[Dan J 277]

Who is more worth your time? The citizen who hides several million in a tax shelter or the illegal immigrant who is slaving away at minimum wage? Lets add this too, it will cost you $10,000 to audit and prosecute the person to recover the money.

They are both worth our time. Crime is crime. You don't let people get away with committing crimes just because it's not it the governments best financial interest to solve or prevent them.

Tax evasion is not the same kind of crime as any violent offense. It also costs money to basically recover money. If the negative cost of recovery + the amount recovered is not overall positive, its not worth the governments time to try to recover the money. Cost of not paying is a loss yes, but the cost of recovery can be a much bigger loss.

It is so easy to take focus off fo the real issue, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

HE COMMITED SEVERAL FEDERAL CRIMES

DEPORTATION HE is NOT entitled to ANY special treatment regardless of what laws US citizens breAK OR HOW MUCH usa CITZENS COST HEALTH CARE ECTT.

his case

HE IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, FEDERAL CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIEN

IN HIS CASE HE IS BEING RIGHTFULLY DEPORTED AND MADE TO PAY WHAT HE OWES.

Get over it, the world is not ending.

Dan, just write the guy a check. Put a little hmmmmffff behind your words. Talk is cheap.

Lets see you put your money where your mouth is. You can pay my share of taxes thats going to the Iraq war, and the increase in taxes due to evasion of citizens and companies. And then ill have no problem paying his taxes.

Of course, if we talk about the last 11 years, well, you can just forward all your paychecks to me for the next year or so.

[mRx 16]

His 59 grand was confiscated by customs because he failed to declare that he was carrying over 10,000 dollars. He complained that he didn't know the law. Well, he also must not have known that ignorance is not a defense in the US.

Personally, I think that if he was to recieve the confiscated money back from customs, it would send the message that the United States condones illegal aliens earning wages. The money was rightly taken from him, common procedure of US customs.

Sure, I feel sympathy towards the guy, but he is being made a necessary example of.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Who is more worth your time? The citizen who hides several million in a tax shelter or the illegal immigrant who is slaving away at minimum wage? Lets add this too, it will cost you $10,000 to audit and prosecute the person to recover the money.

They are both worth our time. Crime is crime. You don't let people get away with committing crimes just because it's not it the governments best financial interest to solve or prevent them.

Tax evasion is not the same kind of crime as any violent offense. It also costs money to basically recover money. If the negative cost of recovery + the amount recovered is not overall positive, its not worth the governments time to try to recover the money. Cost of not paying is a loss yes, but the cost of recovery can be a much bigger loss.

It is so easy to take focus off fo the real issue, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

HE COMMITED SEVERAL FEDERAL CRIMES

DEPORTATION HE is NOT entitled to ANY special treatment regardless of what laws US citizens breAK OR HOW MUCH usa CITZENS COST HEALTH CARE ECTT.

his case

HE IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, FEDERAL CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIEN

IN HIS CASE HE IS BEING RIGHTFULLY DEPORTED AND MADE TO PAY WHAT HE OWES.

Get over it, the world is not ending.

Dan, just write the guy a check. Put a little hmmmmffff behind your words. Talk is cheap.

Lets see you put your money where your mouth is. You can pay my share of taxes thats going to the Iraq war, and the increase in taxes due to evasion of citizens and companies. And then ill have no problem paying his taxes.

Of course, if we talk about the last 11 years, well, you can just forward all your paychecks to me for the next year or so.

Hmmm, I am not the one crying about unfairness here.You are! So if you dont like the direction in which we are going, there are plenty of places to move to. I can P.M. you a world atlas if you would like,or better yet there are lots of travel sites on the internet that offer great prices. Just google "travel" and you will see what I mean. Your flip flopping around is only making my point.

Edited September 28, 2007 by CarolsMarc

[Dan J 277]

Who is more worth your time? The citizen who hides several million in a tax shelter or the illegal immigrant who is slaving away at minimum wage? Lets add this too, it will cost you $10,000 to audit and prosecute the person to recover the money.

They are both worth our time. Crime is crime. You don't let people get away with committing crimes just because it's not it the governments best financial interest to solve or prevent them.

Tax evasion is not the same kind of crime as any violent offense. It also costs money to basically recover money. If the negative cost of recovery + the amount recovered is not overall positive, its not worth the governments time to try to recover the money. Cost of not paying is a loss yes, but the cost of recovery can be a much bigger loss.

It is so easy to take focus off fo the real issue, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

HE COMMITED SEVERAL FEDERAL CRIMES

DEPORTATION HE is NOT entitled to ANY special treatment regardless of what laws US citizens breAK OR HOW MUCH usa CITZENS COST HEALTH CARE ECTT.

his case

HE IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, FEDERAL CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIEN

IN HIS CASE HE IS BEING RIGHTFULLY DEPORTED AND MADE TO PAY WHAT HE OWES.

Get over it, the world is not ending.

Dan, just write the guy a check. Put a little hmmmmffff behind your words. Talk is cheap.

Lets see you put your money where your mouth is. You can pay my share of taxes thats going to the Iraq war, and the increase in taxes due to evasion of citizens and companies. And then ill have no problem paying his taxes.

Of course, if we talk about the last 11 years, well, you can just forward all your paychecks to me for the next year or so.

Hmmm, I am not the one crying about unfairness here.You are! So if you dont like the direction in which we are going, there are plenty of places to move to. I can P.M. you a world atlas if you would like,or better yet there are lots of travel sites on the internet that offer great prices. Just google "travel" and you will see what I mean. Your flip flopping around is only making my point.

No, I'm pointing out the mis-perception of fairness. Here everyones upset about someone who worked 11 years to make $59,000 and didn't pay his taxes. But say nothing about the multi-millionaire who evades taxes by transferring a few million out to a bank in the Cayman Islands.

I guess being a citizen also gives you the right to evade taxes. So much for leading by example.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Remember the Pilgrim and all those folks from Europe who came to the us and took this land from the Native american, at one point or another we were all ILLEGAL ALIEN, but we kill the indians the few left we put them on the worst part of the country under so call name (Reservation) most money comes from Gambling CASINO. So this guy came here in the search of a better life, just like those white folks who came here centuries ago, IF his money is not already been taxed, Tax the money and give him his due share, this is his hard working, long hours sweat, He didn't steal, or robbed people to get that money as such he's entitle to what is His.

Native Americans walked here too.

I hear they are charging them a buck a head to walk back.

two bucks