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It's a family thing. Muslim men can marry "women of the book".

Ok thanks alot, especially for where in Koran it says it is allowed. Regarding the Christian/Islam debate, I could have a lot to say being a genuine "book person." Most importantly, we do not believe in three gods or idols but only one God.

Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The book - is the books that God has sent down prior to the Quran. Old testament & New testament. The 3 books are said to build on eachother - with the Quran as the final & ultimate word.

As for finding the direct quotations, I refer you to my brain: http://www.google.com :bonk: (<- you're the one with the hammer. :P )

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The moral of my story: Stick with someone who matches your own culture.

( This coming from an Arab who married an Arab from overseas... go figure. )

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It's a family thing. Muslim men can marry "women of the book".

Ok thanks alot, especially for where in Koran it says it is allowed. Regarding the Christian/Islam debate, I could have a lot to say being a genuine "book person." Most importantly, we do not believe in three gods or idols but only one God.

Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The book - is the books that God has sent down prior to the Quran. Old testament & New testament. The 3 books are said to build on eachother - with the Quran as the final & ultimate word.

As for finding the direct quotations, I refer you to my brain: http://www.google.com :bonk: (<- you're the one with the hammer. :P )

How can you say the qu'ran builds on the Bible? Yes the Bible builds on the Torah as the torah is part of the bible. The qu'ran changes most of the new testament, or makes the new testament a lie, in which case it would not have come from God.

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How can you say the qu'ran builds on the Bible? Yes the Bible builds on the Torah as the torah is part of the bible. The qu'ran changes most of the new testament, or makes the new testament a lie, in which case it would not have come from God.

Pardon, I'm notorious for wording things wrong.

Islamicity says it a bit better: http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/Muslim.htm

Part of Islam is believing the 3 books of God - Torah, Bible, and the final word - the Quran. You should know, understand, and be familar with the first two, but the ultimate word is the last book.

You will notice that some of the wisest people in the Islamic world ... are very familiar with the Bible. People who happened to learn the Bible first - can go far, as well : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamza_Yusuf

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The moral of my story: Stick with someone who matches your own culture.

( This coming from an Arab who married an Arab from overseas... go figure. )

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It's a family thing. Muslim men can marry "women of the book".

Ok thanks alot, especially for where in Koran it says it is allowed. Regarding the Christian/Islam debate, I could have a lot to say being a genuine "book person." Most importantly, we do not believe in three gods or idols but only one God.

Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The book - is the books that God has sent down prior to the Quran. Old testament & New testament. The 3 books are said to build on eachother - with the Quran as the final & ultimate word.

As for finding the direct quotations, I refer you to my brain: http://www.google.com :bonk: (<- you're the one with the hammer. :P )

How can you say the qu'ran builds on the Bible? Yes the Bible builds on the Torah as the torah is part of the bible. The qu'ran changes most of the new testament, or makes the new testament a lie, in which case it would not have come from God.

I believe the books talked about in the Quran are the unaltered ones...i.e. the unalterated Torah and the unalterated Bible. If one were to look at the original of both...which doesn't exist but for argument's sake.....the Quran would be the last book building on the original bible.

I think I have that right but I"m sure someone will come and correct me if not. lol.

The quran doesn't really change much of the new testament in my mind because if you take the parts of the four gospels that actually agree with each other and don't contradict each other it's right in line with what the Quran states.

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It's a family thing. Muslim men can marry "women of the book".

Ok thanks alot, especially for where in Koran it says it is allowed. Regarding the Christian/Islam debate, I could have a lot to say being a genuine "book person." Most importantly, we do not believe in three gods or idols but only one God.

Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The book - is the books that God has sent down prior to the Quran. Old testament & New testament. The 3 books are said to build on eachother - with the Quran as the final & ultimate word.

As for finding the direct quotations, I refer you to my brain: http://www.google.com :bonk: (<- you're the one with the hammer. :P )

How can you say the qu'ran builds on the Bible? Yes the Bible builds on the Torah as the torah is part of the bible. The qu'ran changes most of the new testament, or makes the new testament a lie, in which case it would not have come from God.

I believe the books talked about in the Quran are the unaltered ones...i.e. the unalterated Torah and the unalterated Bible. If one were to look at the original of both...which doesn't exist but for argument's sake.....the Quran would be the last book building on the original bible.

I think I have that right but I"m sure someone will come and correct me if not. lol.

The quran doesn't really change much of the new testament in my mind because if you take the parts of the four gospels that actually agree with each other and don't contradict each other it's right in line with what the Quran states.

Thanks, I'll be checking that out.

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I believe the books talked about in the Quran are the unaltered ones...i.e. the unalterated Torah and the unalterated Bible. If one were to look at the original of both...which doesn't exist but for argument's sake.....the Quran would be the last book building on the original bible.

I think I have that right but I"m sure someone will come and correct me if not. lol.

The quran doesn't really change much of the new testament in my mind because if you take the parts of the four gospels that actually agree with each other and don't contradict each other it's right in line with what the Quran states.

The Quran doesn't build on the Bible at all, but, in facts, considers the Bible to be a corruption of the Message that needed correction, requiring the Quran to be revealed. While there are many verses refering favorably to the prior Message in the Torah, and the Prophet even refered to learned Jews for legal guidance, there are also divergant views. For example, there is no original sin in Islam, as indicated in Genesis. There is no blame on Hawa (Eve) for the sins of all mankind. She is not a symbol of worldly pain and sin, but shares the burden with Adam. Also, unlike the Bible, it is not a book claimed to be written by man inspired by God, but dictated directly by God and protected by Him. A study of both the Bible and the Quran is an inspiring endevour, which I would encourage.

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i would say its ok since i am christian and hassan is muslim and the court in syria married us and then when he got here we got married in a mosque. i think if it were forbidden the man at the mosque would have told my husband no we cant marry u.

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I believe the books talked about in the Quran are the unaltered ones...i.e. the unalterated Torah and the unalterated Bible. If one were to look at the original of both...which doesn't exist but for argument's sake.....the Quran would be the last book building on the original bible.

I think I have that right but I"m sure someone will come and correct me if not. lol.

The quran doesn't really change much of the new testament in my mind because if you take the parts of the four gospels that actually agree with each other and don't contradict each other it's right in line with what the Quran states.

The Quran doesn't build on the Bible at all, but, in facts, considers the Bible to be a corruption of the Message that needed correction, requiring the Quran to be revealed. While there are many verses refering favorably to the prior Message in the Torah, and the Prophet even refered to learned Jews for legal guidance, there are also divergant views. For example, there is no original sin in Islam, as indicated in Genesis. There is no blame on Hawa (Eve) for the sins of all mankind. She is not a symbol of worldly pain and sin, but shares the burden with Adam. Also, unlike the Bible, it is not a book claimed to be written by man inspired by God, but dictated directly by God and protected by Him. A study of both the Bible and the Quran is an inspiring endevour, which I would encourage.

How does anyone really know that the Quran does not build on the bible if we don't have the original uncorrupted version of the bible to compare it to?

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It's a family thing. Muslim men can marry "women of the book".

Ok thanks alot, especially for where in Koran it says it is allowed. Regarding the Christian/Islam debate, I could have a lot to say being a genuine "book person." Most importantly, we do not believe in three gods or idols but only one God.

Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The book - is the books that God has sent down prior to the Quran. Old testament & New testament. The 3 books are said to build on eachother - with the Quran as the final & ultimate word.

As for finding the direct quotations, I refer you to my brain: http://www.google.com :bonk: (<- you're the one with the hammer. :P )

How can you say the qu'ran builds on the Bible? Yes the Bible builds on the Torah as the torah is part of the bible. The qu'ran changes most of the new testament, or makes the new testament a lie, in which case it would not have come from God.

I believe the books talked about in the Quran are the unaltered ones...i.e. the unalterated Torah and the unalterated Bible. If one were to look at the original of both...which doesn't exist but for argument's sake.....the Quran would be the last book building on the original bible.

I think I have that right but I"m sure someone will come and correct me if not. lol.

The quran doesn't really change much of the new testament in my mind because if you take the parts of the four gospels that actually agree with each other and don't contradict each other it's right in line with what the Quran states.

Thanks, I'll be checking that out.

A really good book explaining the differences between the four Gospels is "Beyond Mere Christianity" by Brandon Toropov. I was put off by the title when someone sent it to me and actually didn't read it for a good month because I was offended (i was still Catholic at that point), but then I finally read it and it was a real eye opener. Even if someone isn't considering Islam but is just looking more into Christianity I think it's a good read because it makes one asks more questions.

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the problem is anyone on earth can twist anything into a real eye opener. then u can read another book with sways u the other way. before u know it u dont know what to believe.

That's very true Donna!!! I guess I just had to listen to my inner voice and pray about it. I scoured all types of information from books, internet, etc. I made appts with a few muslimahs who were nice enough to meet with a perfect stranger for lunch, etc. and at the end of the day I let it all digest, prayed on it and woke up one morning at 4am (never in my life!!!) and just*knew* and made gushl (sp?), said my shahada and prayed fasr.

Some may have taken all of that info and NOT woken up with that gut feeling and that's ok too because it's not where they should be at that time. I think everyone has a path and in the end as long as it leads to God it's all good.

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i would say its ok since i am christian and hassan is muslim and the court in syria married us and then when he got here we got married in a mosque. i think if it were forbidden the man at the mosque would have told my husband no we cant marry u.

A little known fact is that the same process that made it "illegal" for a Muslima to marry a non-Muslim -figh rulings - also made it "illegal" for a Muslim man to be married to a non-Muslim woman in the west. The old double standard overlooks the law when it comes to what Muslim men do, but insists on making Muslim women cowtow to man's law.

How does anyone really know that the Quran does not build on the bible if we don't have the original uncorrupted version of the bible to compare it to?

That is the point; there is no uncorrupted Bible. There is only the corrected Message in the Quran. :)

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Interesting discussion. As our situation is the converse of most here (American man, Moroccan woman) I did a lot of research into this subject. First off:

On the other hand, the holy Qur'an expressly forbids a Muslim woman from marriage to a non-Muslim man (even if he belongs to the people of Scriptures -- e.g. Christians or Jews).

Not the way I read it. The line says (something like) "Do not allow your daughters to marry the mushrikoon". The word "mushrik" means someone:

1. Who has heard the word of God through the Koran

2. Understands it

3. Knows it to be true

4. Rejects it anyway

5. And actively works against it

Your average Jewish/Christian man does not fill that criteria, so they're not mushrik. They should be allowed to marry a muslim woman. The Koran does not otherwise specifically disallow such a marriage.

But, as was pointed out before, getting past the cultural expectations can be a very difficult task. In my case, it was easier to convert rather than get my future in-laws to understand my Ghandi-esque philosophy. Well, maybe they'd understand it, but they still wouldn't let me marry their daughter!

Also, there are plenty of Christian families who won't allow their kids to marry a non-Christian, even someone of a different denomination. And there's nothing I'm aware of in the NT that says an Xtian must marry an Xtian.

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I'm christian and Medo is muslim. His mom had aranged for him to marry a muslim girl. He did not love her and she was younger then him. He dose not like younger girls. Needless to say I'am not his moms biggest fan. I dought when I go to Egypt in November that she will even bother to meet me. But as a man he made his choice to marry me. And he took alot of $hit doing so, from all his family. I think your fiance needs to stand up and be a man in this case if he loves you.

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Not the way I read it. The line says (something like) "Do not allow your daughters to marry the mushrikoon". The word "mushrik" means someone:

1. Who has heard the word of God through the Koran

2. Understands it

3. Knows it to be true

4. Rejects it anyway

5. And actively works against it

That's the definition of a kafir. Kafirs are forbidden in verses 60:10-11. A mushrik is a polytheist (2:221).

There is nothing in sharia that makes it haram for a Muslim woman to marry a kitabi man. That's why I felt free to do so myself, as are a growing number of Muslim women.

 
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