Unexpected result of US illegal immigrants crack down

[mawilson 2,133]

Screw the illegals send them back home lol.

Back home to Canada? LOL

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

I'm just pointing out that I don't think this will turn out to be a huge incentive. Not more than the ability to make the equivalent of a six-figure salary in the States. I think economics is driving most illegal immigration, not free public benefits.

Another way to solve this problem would be to process asylum applications faster, so it's not 14 months waiting.

And again, they're not in Canada illegally. Someone is not automatically illegal because they're a migrant Mexican worker. They might be in the U.S. illegally and in Canada legally. As is the case here.

correct, but when the illegals cross from the usa to canada in the ops story it's highly unlikely are legal in canada......

[no name 1]

I'm just pointing out that I don't think this will turn out to be a huge incentive. Not more than the ability to make the equivalent of a six-figure salary in the States. I think economics is driving most illegal immigration, not free public benefits.

Another way to solve this problem would be to process asylum applications faster, so it's not 14 months waiting.

And again, they're not in Canada illegally. Someone is not automatically illegal because they're a migrant Mexican worker. They might be in the U.S. illegally and in Canada legally. As is the case here.

correct, but when the illegals cross from the usa to canada in the ops story it's highly unlikely are legal in canada......

Especially since so far less than 13% have been granted refugee status.

Up until now, less than 13 per cent of Mexican refugee applicants have been granted status in Canada, he said.

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

I'm just pointing out that I don't think this will turn out to be a huge incentive. Not more than the ability to make the equivalent of a six-figure salary in the States. I think economics is driving most illegal immigration, not free public benefits.

Another way to solve this problem would be to process asylum applications faster, so it's not 14 months waiting.

And again, they're not in Canada illegally. Someone is not automatically illegal because they're a migrant Mexican worker. They might be in the U.S. illegally and in Canada legally. As is the case here.

Free public benefits fall under monetary gain or ability to access resources without the expense so it is part of economics of them invading USA

Freeloading .

[Kathryn41 3,205]

It sure seems to me that many of the Americans here seem to have a problem understanding the words 'legal' immigration - which is surprising since those of us on the website are ones who are following the legal process.

The story - for those who apparently don't read things carefully - refers to visitors who have been legally admitted at the border and inspected by border guards who then turn around and file refugee claims to remain in Canada. They are not illegally in Canada even if they were illegally in the US. Up until about 5 or 6 years ago, fully 76% of the refugee claimants in Canada entered Canada from the US. Then, the US and Canada signed an agreement that any refugee claimant already in Canada or the US will not be allowed to file a refugee claim in the other country as they are already in a 'safe' location. These Mexicans may or may not be illegally in the US, although it sure sounds like they are. They are claiming protection from prosecution, however being prosecuted in a safe country because you have violated the laws of that country (immigration) are not considered viable grounds for granting refugee status. Their claim will almost definitely be denied and they will be deported. The problems will occur if they are not detained until their hearing - which they must attend in person or it will be automatically denied. Once it appears likely their claim will be denied they may indeed disappear and become illegal.

A number of years ago when the boat people were arriving from China there were quite a few who ended up foundering in Canadian waters on their way to the US. Several hundred arrived in Canada, were detained, applied for refugee status and the majority were denied and returned back home to China. A scant handful of claims were accepted as valid and the individuals were allowed to remain in Canada. It will probably be very much the same with these Mexicans. Economic refugees do not qualify. If they can live safely in Mexico then their claims will be denied and they will be returned to Mexico.

So, please repeat after me - These are NOT illegal immigrants - they are legally present in Canada having been admitted through the border and have applied for a legitimate immigration benefit.

Edited September 21, 2007 by Kathryn41

[Caladan 19]

I'm just pointing out that I don't think this will turn out to be a huge incentive. Not more than the ability to make the equivalent of a six-figure salary in the States. I think economics is driving most illegal immigration, not free public benefits.

Another way to solve this problem would be to process asylum applications faster, so it's not 14 months waiting.

And again, they're not in Canada illegally. Someone is not automatically illegal because they're a migrant Mexican worker. They might be in the U.S. illegally and in Canada legally. As is the case here.

correct, but when the illegals cross from the usa to canada in the ops story it's highly unlikely are legal in canada......

Not according to the article, which as Kathryn pointed out, says that they're in Canada currently legally and are applying for a status which is pending.

Plus, if you're sneaking into Canada illegally, you're not going to do it at the Windsor/Detroit crossings.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I'm pretty sure you claim refugee status at POE - I have a hard time believing Canadian border officials simply wave them through

[no name 1]

BUSTED!

People in the United States who wish to claim refugee status at the Canadian border

It has come to our attention that there are private individuals and organizations in the United States who are targeting certain foreign nationals and providing false or misleading information on how to claim refugee status in Canada.

This includes advertising of "special programs" for Haitians, Mexicans and other nationalities. Please note that the Government of Canada has no special programs to fast track applications, give preferential treatment or grant refugee status to Haitians, Mexicans or other nationals seeking refugee status.

• You cannot purchase admission to any immigration or refugee program to gain refugee status.
• You do not need to purchase forms.
• You cannot "exchange" U.S. documents for any type of Canadian "permit."

People should be wary of all organizations or individuals who make such claims.

For more information: refugee protection in Canada.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/me...tice-border.asp

I'm pretty sure you claim refugee status at POE

The Refugee System: Refugee claims in Canada

Canada offers refugee protection to people in Canada who fear persecution or who may be at risk of torture or cruel and unusual treatment or punishment, and are unwilling or unable to return to their home country.

If you feel that you will be persecuted or otherwise at risk as mentioned above, if you return to your home country, you can seek protection in Canada as a Convention Refugee or a person in need of protection. To be eligible, you must apply from within Canada or at a point of entry to Canada.

Edited September 21, 2007 by devilette

[no name 1]

Also interesting & the reason they will (likely) get denied:

Safe Third Country Agreement

Under an agreement with the United States, refugee claimants must seek asylum (protection) in the first safe country where they arrive. For example, if you entered Canada at a land border from the United States, you will not be able to claim refugee protection in Canada. Sometimes there are exceptions (such as those who already have family in Canada). You can find more information about the Safe Third Country Agreement in the Related Links section at the bottom of this page.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/inside/apply-who.asp

[one...two...tree 2,762]

It sure seems to me that many of the Americans here seem to have a problem understanding the words 'legal' immigration - which is surprising since those of us on the website are ones who are following the legal process.

The story - for those who apparently don't read things carefully - refers to visitors who have been legally admitted at the border and inspected by border guards who then turn around and file refugee claims to remain in Canada. They are not illegally in Canada even if they were illegally in the US. Up until about 5 or 6 years ago, fully 76% of the refugee claimants in Canada entered Canada from the US. Then, the US and Canada signed an agreement that any refugee claimant already in Canada or the US will not be allowed to file a refugee claim in the other country as they are already in a 'safe' location. These Mexicans may or may not be illegally in the US, although it sure sounds like they are. They are claiming protection from prosecution, however being prosecuted in a safe country because you have violated the laws of that country (immigration) are not considered viable grounds for granting refugee status. Their claim will almost definitely be denied and they will be deported. The problems will occur if they are not detained until their hearing - which they must attend in person or it will be automatically denied. Once it appears likely their claim will be denied they may indeed disappear and become illegal.

A number of years ago when the boat people were arriving from China there were quite a few who ended up foundering in Canadian waters on their way to the US. Several hundred arrived in Canada, were detained, applied for refugee status and the majority were denied and returned back home to China. A scant handful of claims were accepted as valid and the individuals were allowed to remain in Canada. It will probably be very much the same with these Mexicans. Economic refugees do not qualify. If they can live safely in Mexico then their claims will be denied and they will be returned to Mexico.

So, please repeat after me - These are NOT illegal immigrants - they are legally present in Canada having been admitted through the border and have applied for a legitimate immigration benefit.

Excellent post, Kathryn!

[mawilson 2,133]

Not according to the article, which as Kathryn pointed out, says that they're in Canada currently legally and are applying for a status which is pending.

Come on, Caladan, you know better. Anyone can "apply for asylum" in the U.S. or Canada

and obtain some sort of a temporary legal status while their application is pending -- it's a legal

loophole of sorts, so yes, technically "legal", but it's still fraud.

[Caladan 19]

Not according to the article, which as Kathryn pointed out, says that they're in Canada currently legally and are applying for a status which is pending.

Come on, Caladan, you know better. Anyone can "apply for asylum" in the U.S. or Canada

and obtain some sort of a temporary legal status while their application is pending -- it's a legal

loophole of sorts, so yes, technically "legal", but it's still fraud.

Come on, mark, you know better than to toss around 'fraud' when you mean 'pretty much not fraud.' The asylum claim will likely not be granted, but that doesn't actually have any bearing on whether they're in the country legally now. Where's the fraud in a failed petition?

It's temporary LEGAL status. It's not a legal loophole. It's one the Canadian government may very well close if there's more than 180 people trying to use it to stay in Canada, but giving someone a legal status for a pending adjustment application when they entered the country on a valid visa... wait a second... I think I've heard something like that....

[natty bumppo 297]

It sure seems to me that many of the Americans here seem to have a problem understanding the words 'legal' immigration - which is surprising since those of us on the website are ones who are following the legal process.

The story - for those who apparently don't read things carefully - refers to visitors who have been legally admitted at the border and inspected by border guards who then turn around and file refugee claims to remain in Canada. They are not illegally in Canada even if they were illegally in the US. Up until about 5 or 6 years ago, fully 76% of the refugee claimants in Canada entered Canada from the US. Then, the US and Canada signed an agreement that any refugee claimant already in Canada or the US will not be allowed to file a refugee claim in the other country as they are already in a 'safe' location. These Mexicans may or may not be illegally in the US, although it sure sounds like they are. They are claiming protection from prosecution, however being prosecuted in a safe country because you have violated the laws of that country (immigration) are not considered viable grounds for granting refugee status. Their claim will almost definitely be denied and they will be deported. The problems will occur if they are not detained until their hearing - which they must attend in person or it will be automatically denied. Once it appears likely their claim will be denied they may indeed disappear and become illegal.

A number of years ago when the boat people were arriving from China there were quite a few who ended up foundering in Canadian waters on their way to the US. Several hundred arrived in Canada, were detained, applied for refugee status and the majority were denied and returned back home to China. A scant handful of claims were accepted as valid and the individuals were allowed to remain in Canada. It will probably be very much the same with these Mexicans. Economic refugees do not qualify. If they can live safely in Mexico then their claims will be denied and they will be returned to Mexico.

So, please repeat after me - These are NOT illegal immigrants - they are legally present in Canada having been admitted through the border and have applied for a legitimate immigration benefit.

And Canada can help pay their bills until they are denied ... and if they can find the denied persons ... Canada will pay to send them back to their home country?