Man urinates on dying woman, declaring it 'YouTube material'

[Peikko 1,575]

If you want to be a part of society, it's not a natural reaction to 'want to take the law into your own hands'. Being part of a society means that you accept the justice system that is in place and if want to make a change, you do so by changing the law, not by having your own personal justice system.

[Caladan 19]

Yeah the yobs of today are far less romantic than the yobs of yesteryear Highwaymen didn't shoot people and leave them by the roadside - they stopped the your carriage politely and reasonably explained why they needed to relieve you of your valuables (presumably to redistribute wealth to the poor). You don't see that kind of social conscience nowadays. Shame. I miss highwaymen. And pirates.

Plus, the highwaymen wore a bunch of lace at their throats, and NEVER posted on youtube.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

Still, it is enough to make me wanna VORMIT.

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

the guy is an obvious Narcisstic Personality Disorder...with ascocial personality patterns ...rehabilitation will not work for him...prison will be the best option

I think more of an Assclown Dickhead Disorder with pothead personality patterns

damn, sister nessa, you make an excellent psychologist..your diagnosis is 100% correct

ty bro, do you think I should quit my job and pursuit a psychology career?

yes sister nessa, shoot you have the perfect subject in your home for your thesis...

then again, you might be right.....her cat may well be smoking pot......

[Heracles 417]

If you want to be a part of society, it's not a natural reaction to 'want to take the law into your own hands'. Being part of a society means that you accept the justice system that is in place and if want to make a change, you do so by changing the law, not by having your own personal justice system.

If something is not working it is the people's right to challenge it. Clearly the system is failing somewhere when you have people pissing on dead bodies or other cases, in the UK, such as men ###### 10 year olds and the judge responding with a "well she looked older" comment; rather than punishing him.

Edited September 20, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[DeadPoolX 9]

If you want to be a part of society, it's not a natural reaction to 'want to take the law into your own hands'. Being part of a society means that you accept the justice system that is in place and if want to make a change, you do so by changing the law, not by having your own personal justice system.

I don't absolutely agree with that statement. It's not entirely wrong, but it's not entirely right either.

I'd say that if you "want to be part of society," you must accept the justice system that is currently in-place (even if you wish to "take the law into your hands," which by the way, can be a very natural reaction, depending on the circumstances) and if you want to have it changed, you need to go about modifying the law itself.

The reason what I say is different, is because I think "taking the law into your own hands" can be a very natural desire and reaction to certain stimuli. This doesn't mean it's necessarily "okay," but that also doesn't mean it isn't a natural reaction either.

For instance... I think most parents (those that care about their children) would naturally have a very negative response to someone assaulting their child. Whether or not the law makes a provision for that parent to do anything about it physically, the parent probably won't stop and think, "Oh gee. You know what? I shouldn't react to my kid being beaten upon right now. Maybe I'll go call the cops and wait for them to arrive." That scenario is highly unlikely. What probably would occur is that the parent would "attack" the person assaulting their child.

Is that "taking the law into your own hands?" Is that against the laws on the books? I suppose it depends on your point-of-view and the current laws of your state. However, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a jury that would convict a parent -- even if they did physical damage to another person -- while they were defending their child. At most, perhaps the parent would receive a very light punishment -- something to the tune of community service.

[Peikko 1,575]

A right to challenge it, of course, that's how society changes and grows, a right to 'take the law into your own hands' no, that's one way to break it down.

The 'clearly it isn't working now' argument though, has to be backed up by a demonstrable decline in law and order, not simply by saying crimes take place.

[Peikko 1,575]

In response to Deadpool, fair enough, but I was talking about those people who read about these stories and want to take the law into their own hands, not the 'in the heat of the moment' incidents.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

A right to challenge it, of course, that's how society changes and grows, a right to 'take the law into your own hands' no, that's one way to break it down.

The 'clearly it isn't working now' argument though, has to be backed up by a demonstrable decline in law and order, not simply by saying crimes take place.

The other point is that the guy in the original article has not received a trial yet – so using this case to say that the justice system has ‘failed’ would seem to be premature. Trouble is given the ‘outrage factor’ of the crime – I’m not sure any punishment will be deemed adequate enough for the guy. What I seem to be reading here is that nothing short of a beating or lynching would constitute appropriate punishment and naturally this is not something that a dispassionate judicial system can pronounce.

Then again – what has the guy actually been charged with? “Outraging Public Decency” – its not like he actually killed the person, so as low as his crime was it was not a capital crime, and hence wouldn’t be deserving of capital punishment under the law.

But to go back to the other point – I really don’t get this tendency to jump to these extreme conclusions on the basis of stories like this. I mean:

“Look at what he/she has done! – society is falling apart!”

“He got off with a 2-year suspended sentence – the Justice System is failing!”

Seems slightly hysterical to me – and that’s not considering the questionable emotional transference that seems to go on that makes people completely unconnected with a crime to want to ‘take the law into their own hands’. I can understand this from the POV of a victim or the family member of a victim – but not so much from so-called “concerned citizens”.

[Heracles 417]

A right to challenge it, of course, that's how society changes and grows, a right to 'take the law into your own hands' no, that's one way to break it down.

The 'clearly it isn't working now' argument though, has to be backed up by a demonstrable decline in law and order, not simply by saying crimes take place.

One would think somebody actually pissing on a dead body means something has failed for this person somewhere in their life.. NO?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

A right to challenge it, of course, that's how society changes and grows, a right to 'take the law into your own hands' no, that's one way to break it down.

The 'clearly it isn't working now' argument though, has to be backed up by a demonstrable decline in law and order, not simply by saying crimes take place.

One would think somebody actually pissing on a dead body means something has failed for this person somewhere in their life.. NO?

Only if you think the guy isn't 'ultimately' responsible for his own actions and behaviour.

[Heracles 417]

A right to challenge it, of course, that's how society changes and grows, a right to 'take the law into your own hands' no, that's one way to break it down.

The 'clearly it isn't working now' argument though, has to be backed up by a demonstrable decline in law and order, not simply by saying crimes take place.

The other point is that the guy in the original article has not received a trial yet – so using this case to say that the justice system has ‘failed’ would seem to be premature. Trouble is given the ‘outrage factor’ of the crime – I’m not sure any punishment will be deemed adequate enough for the guy. What I seem to be reading here is that nothing short of a beating or lynching would constitute appropriate punishment and naturally this is not something that a dispassionate judicial system can pronounce.

Then again – what has the guy actually been charged with? “Outraging Public Decency” – its not like he actually killed the person, so as low as his crime was it was not a capital crime, and hence wouldn’t be deserving of capital punishment under the law.

But to go back to the other point – I really don’t get this tendency to jump to these extreme conclusions on the basis of stories like this. I mean:

“Look at what he/she has done! – society is falling apart!”

“He got off with a 2-year suspended sentence – the Justice System is failing!”

Seems slightly hysterical to me – and that’s not considering the questionable emotional transference that seems to go on that makes people completely unconnected with a crime to want to ‘take the law into their own hands’. I can understand this from the POV of a victim or the family member of a victim – but not so much from so-called “concerned citizens”.

Where did you see the society is falling apart comment in this thread?

[Fandango 1,439]

A right to challenge it, of course, that's how society changes and grows, a right to 'take the law into your own hands' no, that's one way to break it down.

The 'clearly it isn't working now' argument though, has to be backed up by a demonstrable decline in law and order, not simply by saying crimes take place.

One would think somebody actually pissing on a dead body means something has failed for this person somewhere in their life.. NO?

Not that I'm defending the b@stard....cos I'm not.....but it just may be possible that he thought she was just drunk.

Not that it makes it excusable, mind you......

[almaty 19]

Still, it is enough to make me wanna VORMIT.

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

the guy is an obvious Narcisstic Personality Disorder...with ascocial personality patterns ...rehabilitation will not work for him...prison will be the best option

I think more of an Assclown Dickhead Disorder with pothead personality patterns

damn, sister nessa, you make an excellent psychologist..your diagnosis is 100% correct

ty bro, do you think I should quit my job and pursuit a psychology career?

yes sister nessa, shoot you have the perfect subject in your home for your thesis...

then again, you might be right.....her cat may well be smoking pot......

of course, that cannabis cat was the subject..i hope you did not think i meant you

[eric&gen 0]

Does the British prison have there version of big bubba for that freak lol.

[Heracles 417]

A right to challenge it, of course, that's how society changes and grows, a right to 'take the law into your own hands' no, that's one way to break it down.

The 'clearly it isn't working now' argument though, has to be backed up by a demonstrable decline in law and order, not simply by saying crimes take place.

One would think somebody actually pissing on a dead body means something has failed for this person somewhere in their life.. NO?

Only if you think the guy isn't 'ultimately' responsible for his own actions and behaviour.

That is not the point. For someone to do that in the first place they clearly see nothing wrong with do so. Thus what concerns me is how someone in 2007 can have so little respect for another human being.

Does the British prison have there version of big bubba for that freak lol.

No they have tea and scones in their prison.