6-year old Australian boy ran "sex club" involving Grade 1 students

[Peikko 1,575]

I thought they were debating the relative merits of different architectural styles...or slums versus ghettos, but it did get a tad confusing...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I didnt know an opinion could ever be a fact? 2+2=4 there is no opinion and never could be. Getting back to the subject everyone has an opinion of what to do about the fact that the rates in which std are spreading, something needs to be done. I certainly dont have the answer.

Apparently opinions are stupid. Funnily enough the same people who always say prove it never do so for their own opinions.

The difference is that you seem completely unable to separate fact from opinion.

When you advance an argument that can be explicitly quantified or qualified you can claim that its an unvarnished truth. Until then making explicit claims as to "today's society being significantly worse than 50 years ago" or "how kids today are screwed up and that parents don't have a clue about bringing up children" on the basis of what your parents told you - is just that - 'opinion', and spurious opinion at that (seeing as its not really yours).

[Heracles 417]

I thought they were debating the relative merits of different architectural styles...or slums versus ghettos, but it did get a tad confusing...

Next time I'll try to slow it down for you to catch up.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

STDs are a serious problem - no disagreement there, but the last paragraph of the article speaks volumes about the author's intent.

Not only is saving sex for marriage the only real hope for sexual health, it is God's design. God has said that our sexuality is to blossom within the confines of a mutually faithful monogamous relationship. What we are seeing today is the natural consequence of disobedience. We need to reeducate our kids not just in what is best, but in what is right.

In other words - "if you have sex outside of marriage, you deserve what you get".

Still - not sure what this really has to do with the OP article.

You and B.Y. were debating the facts of a sexual revolution in the late 50 early 60 time period. There was one beleive me.

Actually his claim was that society today is "significantly worse" than society 50 years ago.

[Peikko 1,575]

Irony passes under your rader then?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I thought they were debating the relative merits of different architectural styles...or slums versus ghettos, but it did get a tad confusing...

Next time I'll try to slow it down for you to catch up.

It would do to stay on point.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm not - all I'm saying is "I don't know". That's the difference. You said on the basis of the phrase "sex act" that it justifies an investigation of a kids family life.

So what would be the big deal of an investigation by child services. If all checks out okay, they can move on.

I think merely knowing what went on would establish whether or not there is any need for 'further action'.

[Heracles 417]

I didnt know an opinion could ever be a fact? 2+2=4 there is no opinion and never could be. Getting back to the subject everyone has an opinion of what to do about the fact that the rates in which std are spreading, something needs to be done. I certainly dont have the answer.

Apparently opinions are stupid. Funnily enough the same people who always say prove it never do so for their own opinions.

The difference is that you seem completely unable to separate fact from opinion.

When you advance an argument that can be explicitly quantified or qualified you can claim that its an unvarnished truth. Until then making explicit claims as to "today's society being significantly worse than 50 years ago" or "how kids today are screwed up and that parents don't have a clue about bringing up children" on the basis of what your parents told you - is just that - 'opinion', and spurious opinion at that (seeing as its not really yours).

No it's you who has the problem distinguishing between the two. Most of the stuff mentioned in a family immigration forum are merely opinions. You seem to not comprehend that. This is not a Yale forum for students to debate theories. You come to the OT section of VJ acting like you know everything and that anyone with a differing opinion or view to yours is an idiot.

Definition of opinion:

• a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
• a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I didnt know an opinion could ever be a fact? 2+2=4 there is no opinion and never could be. Getting back to the subject everyone has an opinion of what to do about the fact that the rates in which std are spreading, something needs to be done. I certainly dont have the answer.

Apparently opinions are stupid. Funnily enough the same people who always say prove it never do so for their own opinions.

The difference is that you seem completely unable to separate fact from opinion.

When you advance an argument that can be explicitly quantified or qualified you can claim that its an unvarnished truth. Until then making explicit claims as to "today's society being significantly worse than 50 years ago" or "how kids today are screwed up and that parents don't have a clue about bringing up children" on the basis of what your parents told you - is just that - 'opinion', and spurious opinion at that (seeing as its not really yours).

I just did in a simple 2+2=4 fact . If you can make an opinion of 2+2=4 please do so. Without the garble that seems to follow everytime. You always seem to answer a question with a question, my god man.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I didnt know an opinion could ever be a fact? 2+2=4 there is no opinion and never could be. Getting back to the subject everyone has an opinion of what to do about the fact that the rates in which std are spreading, something needs to be done. I certainly dont have the answer.

Apparently opinions are stupid. Funnily enough the same people who always say prove it never do so for their own opinions.

The difference is that you seem completely unable to separate fact from opinion.

When you advance an argument that can be explicitly quantified or qualified you can claim that its an unvarnished truth. Until then making explicit claims as to "today's society being significantly worse than 50 years ago" or "how kids today are screwed up and that parents don't have a clue about bringing up children" on the basis of what your parents told you - is just that - 'opinion', and spurious opinion at that (seeing as its not really yours).

No it's you who has the problem distinguishing between the two. Most of the stuff mentioned in a family immigration forum are merely opinions. You seem to not comprehend that. This is not a Yale forum for students to debate theories. You come to the OT section of VJ acting like you know everything and that anyone with a differing opinion or view to yours is an idiot.

Definition of opinion:

• a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
• a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Ah.. the dictionary definitions

[Heracles 417]

Ah.. the dictionary definitions

Well you clearly do not understand the concept of forum and personal opinion. If someone said the earth is flat in OT; oh well that is their opinion. Who made you judge, jury and executioner on whether they are right or wrong; especially in a freakin family immigration forum.

The worst offenders are as follows:

Alex+R

Jenn!

Fancy_Pants

Purple_Hibiscus

Caladan

and yourself

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I didnt know an opinion could ever be a fact? 2+2=4 there is no opinion and never could be. Getting back to the subject everyone has an opinion of what to do about the fact that the rates in which std are spreading, something needs to be done. I certainly dont have the answer.

Apparently opinions are stupid. Funnily enough the same people who always say prove it never do so for their own opinions.

The difference is that you seem completely unable to separate fact from opinion.

When you advance an argument that can be explicitly quantified or qualified you can claim that its an unvarnished truth. Until then making explicit claims as to "today's society being significantly worse than 50 years ago" or "how kids today are screwed up and that parents don't have a clue about bringing up children" on the basis of what your parents told you - is just that - 'opinion', and spurious opinion at that (seeing as its not really yours).

I just did in a simple 2+2=4 fact . If you can make an opinion of 2+2=4 please do so. Without the garble that seems to follow everytime. You always seem to answer a question with a question, my god man.

Sure - but I think even you can see a difference between an opinion supported and advanced with reasoned arguments, and having one that you can't support (but pretend you can).

[Heracles 417]

Sure - but I think even you can see a difference between an opinion supported and advanced with reasoned arguments, and having one that you can't support (but pretend you can).

Thanks for proving my previous post..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ah.. the dictionary definitions

Well you clearly do not understand the concept of forum and personal opinion. If someone said the earth is flat in OT; oh well that is their opinion. Who made you judge, jury and executioner on whether they are right or wrong; especially in a freakin family immigration forum.

The worst offenders are as follows:

Alex+R

Jenn!

Fancy_Pants

Purple_Hibiscus

Caladan

and yourself

I think you need to re-read this thread again (from post #33). Actually 'read' the posts this time.

Sure - but I think even you can see a difference between an opinion supported and advanced with reasoned arguments, and having one that you can't support (but pretend you can).

Thanks for proving my previous post..

That's ok - you already proved a bunch of mine

[Heracles 417]

Ah.. the dictionary definitions

Well you clearly do not understand the concept of forum and personal opinion. If someone said the earth is flat in OT; oh well that is their opinion. Who made you judge, jury and executioner on whether they are right or wrong; especially in a freakin family immigration forum.

The worst offenders are as follows:

Alex+R

Jenn!

Fancy_Pants

Purple_Hibiscus

Caladan

and yourself

I think you need to re-read this thread again (from post #33). Actually 'read' the posts this time.

You seem to have a huge problem with someone having an opinion. As I said before even if someone said Oprah is an alien. Well that is their opinion.

Don't come into an Immigration forum acting like you know your ###### by saying prove it to others 24/7. And if they do prove it, you brush it off anyway.

Edited September 20, 2007 by Boo-Yah!