6-year old Australian boy ran "sex club" involving Grade 1 students

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

NJ looked 'quite nice' in the 50's

This is your evidence of how much worse society is now than back in the day?

Actually that was an example of a change over the decades.

Actually I think saying that 'NJ looked nicer in 50's' (presumably basd on a few scattered photos you found online) is less qualifiable than anything else you've said.

[Peikko 1,575]

Probably not, but the slums were located around and about...places change, that's a given, the poor are moved around from time to time. Post war there was a lot of redevelopment but that doesn't mean diddly squat in terms of the percentage how many poor people there are in society changing or the percentage of deviant behavior in society changing, or the percentage of anything in society changing which is what I am talking about when I say things are neither better nor worse.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'll put it another way for you then. Those same places that are now rundown and ghettos, where they in the same condition in the 50's??

Is this the economist’s mind at work (i.e. the same mind that thinks that the wealth in a city is evenly distributed) – that leads you to believe that as certain areas become run-down while the rest of the country stays completely static?

Edited September 19, 2007 by Number 6

[Heracles 417]

NJ looked 'quite nice' in the 50's

This is your evidence of how much worse society is now than back in the day?

Actually that was an example of a change over the decades.

Actually I think saying that 'NJ looked nicer in 50's' (presumably basd on a few scattered photos you found online) is less qualifiable than anything else you've said.

So NJ is nicer now. lol. Now I know you're talking ######.. I can see all of the tourists, from abroad, visiting NJ.

To sit here and pretty much state that you see no difference in society from the 50's to 2007. The freakin 80's to 2007 are a huge difference, let alone the 50's.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

NJ looked 'quite nice' in the 50's

This is your evidence of how much worse society is now than back in the day?

Actually that was an example of a change over the decades.

Actually I think saying that 'NJ looked nicer in 50's' (presumably basd on a few scattered photos you found online) is less qualifiable than anything else you've said.

So NJ is nicer now. lol. Now I know you're talking ######.. I can see all of the tourists, from abroad, visiting NJ.

To sit here and pretty much state that you see no difference in society from the 50's to 2007. The freakin 80's to 2007 are a huge difference, let alone the 50's.

Have to say I'm not sure where you got that from what I wrote. Society has changed sure - you're the one who seems dead set on it being 'significantly worse', and backing it up with spurious justifications like aesthetics (which is next to impossible for you to prove).

[Ban Hammer 13,360]

and here they come around the back turn, it's #6 by a nose!

[Heracles 417]

I'll put it another way for you then. Those same places that are now rundown and ghettos, where they in the same condition in the 50's??

Is this the economist’s mind at work (i.e. the same mind that thinks that the wealth in a city is evenly distributed) – that leads you to believe that as certain areas become run-down while the rest of the country stays completely static?

Someone's wealth or lack of does not give them the right to trash a city.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'll put it another way for you then. Those same places that are now rundown and ghettos, where they in the same condition in the 50's??

Is this the economist’s mind at work (i.e. the same mind that thinks that the wealth in a city is evenly distributed) – that leads you to believe that as certain areas become run-down while the rest of the country stays completely static?

Someone's wealth or lack of does not give them the right to trash a city.

Never said it did. Then again is it a case of residents moving into an area and breaking all the shop windows and kicking apart bus shelters, or is it at least as much to do with reductions local government funding (allowing the infrastructure to decay and not fixing anything).

[Heracles 417]

Have to say I'm not sure where you got that from what I wrote. Society has changed sure - you're the one who seems dead set on it being 'significantly worse', and backing it up with spurious justifications like aesthetics (which is next to impossible for you to prove).

Gezz I wonder why everyone I have ever spoken to who was around back then tells me how you could leave your milk money, for example, without it being stolen. Nowadays you couldn't leave 10 cents out without someone stealing it and whatever it is sitting on, which is not secured to the ground. Let alone leave things like a door or window unlocked.

There are plenty of examples actually. People didn't go around suing each other for the smallest dumbest thing. EG No ###### McDonalds coffee is hot and can burn.. People where not out to ###### over the government and certainly did not have a give-me give-me give-me attitude... Neighbors where like family. You could leave your kid to play in the front yard without worrying about them being kidnapped. You didn't have hookers like the one trying to sue southwest whining because they refused to fly her for showing off her walmart underwear to other passengers. Then again no skanky 17 year old would dress like that and actually think she is cool and hot..

The proof of what I am saying can, to this day, be seen in traditional small towns.

Edited September 19, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well that answers my question. Your argument is based a romanticised conception of the past.

[Heracles 417]

Someone's wealth or lack of does not give them the right to trash a city.

Never said it did. Then again is it a case of residents moving into an area and breaking all the shop windows and kicking apart bus shelters, or is it at least as much to do with reductions local government funding (allowing the infrastructure to decay and not fixing anything).

Come on. I saw it all the time in Melbourne. The areas which received and relied the most on government handouts where the most run down and damaged by vandalism.

[Jenn! 918]

If you're into traditional/50's values, then of course you'd think that society has changed for the worse. I, for one, am quite happy that I'm not living in the 50's. However, I'm sure my grandparents, for example, long for the good 'ole days, when mom had chocolate chip cookies waiting for you when you got home from school, and children spoke when they were spoken to, etc. It all depends on what you value.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Someone's wealth or lack of does not give them the right to trash a city.

Never said it did. Then again is it a case of residents moving into an area and breaking all the shop windows and kicking apart bus shelters, or is it at least as much to do with reductions local government funding (allowing the infrastructure to decay and not fixing anything).

Come on. I saw it all the time in Melbourne. The areas which received and relied the most on government handouts where the most run down and damaged by vandalism.

Sure. But welfare isn't spent on maintaining and developing the local infrastructure.

[Heracles 417]

Someone's wealth or lack of does not give them the right to trash a city.

Never said it did. Then again is it a case of residents moving into an area and breaking all the shop windows and kicking apart bus shelters, or is it at least as much to do with reductions local government funding (allowing the infrastructure to decay and not fixing anything).

Come on. I saw it all the time in Melbourne. The areas which received and relied the most on government handouts where the most run down and damaged by vandalism.

Sure. But welfare isn't spent on maintaining and developing the local infrastructure.

Well actually they do but the infrastructure is almost always vandalized. You want to make a bet that if someone was to build something new in a poor dense area it would be trashed within a month??

Edited September 19, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[~krakatoa~ 27]

tsk, tsk.