Should teachers be allowed to pack a gun?

[mawilson 2,133]

arm all students with guns whle yer at it. psycho is dead after his first victim.

right?

There are lots of psycho students out there - and I hope not many psycho teachers.

Besides, if a teacher is a psycho mass murderer, anti-gun laws are not going to stop her.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

I'm of the belief that gun laws only restrict law abiding citizens. If someone is trained, has been screened, and knows how to use a firearm I'm all for letting as many people carry concealed as possible.

Why? Because then nobody knows if that young college student, that 60 year old grandma, that guy in a wheelchair, or that soccer mom is packing heat. Not knowing who is armed and carrying is 100x more effective as a deterrent than more gun laws.

Criminals will carry and use guns regardless of the law or the punishments.

Imagine all those massacres where if a few people were armed and trained could have shot back. These mass murder pussies count on the fact that there will be unarmed people cowering in fear as the psycho walks around laughing and gunning down people hiding in closets in under desks.

Just one law abiding person with a .40 or other hand gun would have wiped that smile off their faces and sent them to hell or at least it would have evened the odds just a little bit.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

Geez, bring back the wild west...excellent plan.

I never thought there were so many anarchists around.

Mass murderer psycho's don't give a flying ###### who's around, or how much 'heat' is being packed, they'll still do what they want to do. Maybe not with a gun, but some other way. You can't solve it like that, it's just...oh well, no point starting...

no one is talking about the wild west so quite frothing at the mouth. the subject is an individual's right to defend oneself. you may trust 911 to save you, i'll dial smith and wesson

My thinking is I'd personally rather be the guy with a few guns and plenty of ammo and never have to fire a shot in defense than be the guy in his underwear with a golf club or baseball bat waiting in the hall or bedroom when I hear glass break downstairs.

The police are in no way obligated to risk their lives to protect you and even if they wanted to their response times will often be horrible to the point where all they can do is file a report or draw a chalk outline.

There are just unimaginable situations where having a gun is just the best insurance possible. Riots in or around a large city where you live. A Katrina type disaster where food and water are worth more than gold in some areas and no help is coming for weeks/months. A successful terrorist suitcase nuke or dirty bomb causes anarchy where you live. A burglar in the house. A pit bull or other animal attacking.

amen! better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6 also.

for those all up in arms (no pun intended) about liability, why not suggest the teacher front a bond for this to cover lawsuits should the worst happen?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Imagine a 911 call coming from someone at school where all they hear are shots fired on campus. The police have nothing else to go on, but must respond. Meanwile, there are several teachers with guns in their classrooms, stopping class after hearing the shots fired outside - they too know nothing more of what is transpiring. How do you suppose the police and each teacher knows who fired the shots if they were all outside looking for the culprit in hopes of stopping a mass shooting?

What you just said makes no sense whatsoever

mr fancypants, whats up ive heard this 3 times this week already

I don't know...maybe we need an interpretor?

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

Imagine a 911 call coming from someone at school where all they hear are shots fired on campus. The police have nothing else to go on, but must respond. Meanwile, there are several teachers with guns in their classrooms, stopping class after hearing the shots fired outside - they too know nothing more of what is transpiring. How do you suppose the police and each teacher knows who fired the shots if they were all outside looking for the culprit in hopes of stopping a mass shooting?

What you just said makes no sense whatsoever

mr fancypants, whats up ive heard this 3 times this week already

I don't know...maybe we need an interpretor?

someone reboot steven, he's talking in stevenonics again

[Sinergy 3]

Imagine a 911 call coming from someone at school where all they hear are shots fired on campus. The police have nothing else to go on, but must respond. Meanwile, there are several teachers with guns in their classrooms, stopping class after hearing the shots fired outside - they too know nothing more of what is transpiring. How do you suppose the police and each teacher knows who fired the shots if they were all outside looking for the culprit in hopes of stopping a mass shooting?

What you just said makes no sense whatsoever

mr fancypants, whats up ive heard this 3 times this week already

I don't know...maybe we need an interpretor?

[Peikko 1,575]

There might be a lot of psycho students out there (depending on what you might mean by psycho) but how many psycho mass murder students are there out there?

There are difficulties with discipline in some schools(schools in lower income communities it woud appear) but I didn't anyone was advocating carrying guns to combat discipline problems are there?

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

There might be a lot of psycho students out there (depending on what you might mean by psycho) but how many psycho mass murder students are there out there?

There are difficulties with discipline in some schools(schools in lower income communities it woud appear) but I didn't anyone was advocating carrying guns to combat discipline problems are there?

famous last words at vt perhaps?

[Peikko 1,575]

What does that mean?

The problem of mass murder psycho students is really not widespread. Allowing teacher's to carry weapons is not going to suddenly prevent huge numbers of deaths. The risks of allowing people to go around carrying guns on a campus is way greater than the risk of random mass murder taking place.

[mawilson 2,133]

What does that mean?

The problem of mass murder psycho students is really not widespread. Allowing teacher's to carry weapons is not going to suddenly prevent huge numbers of deaths. The risks of allowing people to go around carrying guns on a campus is way greater than the risk of random mass murder taking place.

If by "people" you mean "teachers", then no, I don't see the risks.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What does that mean?

The problem of mass murder psycho students is really not widespread. Allowing teacher's to carry weapons is not going to suddenly prevent huge numbers of deaths. The risks of allowing people to go around carrying guns on a campus is way greater than the risk of random mass murder taking place.

If by "people" you mean "teachers", then no, I don't see the risks.

I dunno - I just don't like the idea of it being considered 'normal' for people carry guns around and for that to not be questioned. Seems rather radical to me.

[Caladan 19]

I think it's important to get the question straight. I am guessing, from the discussion here, that the question isn't about everyday security (which shouldn't be the job of underpaid teachers), but about deranged students.

Someone as deranged as the VT killer isn't going to decide not to go on with his doomsday plan because he thinks it's possible that a teacher has a concealed weapon. He's mentally ill. It's not a deterrent to the crazies.

Let's assume all the teachers are competent and well-trained and none of them ever have mental health problems. Still -- which do we think is the greater risk? A mass murder, or an accident? Whether it's a rowdy kid knowing he can settle the score if he gets ahold of the teacher's gun, or the usual run of school violence taking a nasty turn.

I think for the possibility of stopping a mass murderer who kills 30 once every 15 years, you'd have two or three incidents yearly at one or two bodies each.

[Heracles 417]

I think it's important to get the question straight. I am guessing, from the discussion here, that the question isn't about everyday security (which shouldn't be the job of underpaid teachers), but about deranged students.

Someone as deranged as the VT killer isn't going to decide not to go on with his doomsday plan because he thinks it's possible that a teacher has a concealed weapon. He's mentally ill. It's not a deterrent to the crazies.

Let's assume all the teachers are competent and well-trained and none of them ever have mental health problems. Still -- which do we think is the greater risk? A mass murder, or an accident? Whether it's a rowdy kid knowing he can settle the score if he gets ahold of the teacher's gun, or the usual run of school violence taking a nasty turn.

I think for the possibility of stopping a mass murderer who kills 30 once every 15 years, you'd have two or three incidents yearly at one or two bodies each.

Columbine was only eight years ago. Irrespective of that someone is probably shot somewhere in the US every few minutes, hardly isolated incidents..

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

I think it's important to get the question straight. I am guessing, from the discussion here, that the question isn't about everyday security (which shouldn't be the job of underpaid teachers), but about deranged students.

Someone as deranged as the VT killer isn't going to decide not to go on with his doomsday plan because he thinks it's possible that a teacher has a concealed weapon. He's mentally ill. It's not a deterrent to the crazies.

Let's assume all the teachers are competent and well-trained and none of them ever have mental health problems. Still -- which do we think is the greater risk? A mass murder, or an accident? Whether it's a rowdy kid knowing he can settle the score if he gets ahold of the teacher's gun, or the usual run of school violence taking a nasty turn.

I think for the possibility of stopping a mass murderer who kills 30 once every 15 years, you'd have two or three incidents yearly at one or two bodies each.

surely an acceptable number, eh?

[Peikko 1,575]

Somebody is shot somewhere every few minutes meaning?????????

The point about this particular teacher, as I understood the article, wasn't so much that she was worried about another VT incident but has a specific threat in mind, from her ex. Seems to me that this should be dealt with in a different way than simply allowing her to protect herself by carrying firearms.