Should teachers be allowed to pack a gun?

[isleta521 5]

Although I am a gun owner and hunter, I dont think guns in school are a good thing, unless the school budgets in security. Otherwise, it could be a big liability imho. I do see what this Jane Doe is going through and I see her situation. And it is a sad situation for her to be in.

[Peikko 1,575]

It's like the people that advocate carrying weapons are implying that it's our fault there are mass psycho murders because we aren't allowing this preventative measure.

The psycho's are still going to be there, they may find another route to mass destruction like bombs or who knows what? They could get 'bigger and better' illegal guns, the list is endless. The only possible solution is probably to try to identify who is psychotic and treat them in some way before they carry out any murders.

[pedroh 21]

na, teachers should only be allowed to beat the sh!t out of arsehole kids..

[isleta521 5]

na, teachers should only be allowed to beat the sh!t out of arsehole kids..

and then expell them for the rest of the school year

[DeadPoolX 9]

How about a nice compromise?

Allow teachers to carry (and if necessary, use on students) tasers and/or permit corporal punishment?

I realize many parents hate the idea of any of that, but I would have to imagine having your child shocked with a taser or paddled would be preferable to perforated by a gunshot wound. The chances are exceedingly slim that a kid would die with either of those two options, whereas there's a fairly good chance of death with a firearm (depending on where the bullet enters the body, size of the round, overall range, muzzle velocity, type of gun, etc).

I think the point of this article is that in some areas of society, students in schools have become so uncontrolled (and even dangerous) that teachers are risking their lives to come to work and teach. I know a number of teachers personally and the problem almost always stems from lack of good parenting. The parents are either absent from their child's life or they are far too permissive. When they do take an interest, it's to give the child whatever he or she wants to just "shut him or her up" or to yell at the school administration for "giving" their "precious" child a bad grade.

One other option would be to enroll all teachers in a mandatory self-defense class, paid for by the state. Yes, that's where your tax dollars will go, because a large number of parents can't or won't control their children and instruct them how to behave like human beings. Parents will also have to accept the fact that if their child assaults a teacher, and the teacher fights back, possibly injuring the child, that there is no legal recourse. Your child provoked the entire incident and got what was coming to him or her; maybe next time he or she will talk their problems out, instead of using their fists.

While I don't necessarily agree with teachers "packing heat," I do think they should have some way to defend themselves and enforce the rules of their institution. Our schools are rapidly becoming "war zones" and something needs to be done about that.

[pedroh 21]

na, teachers should only be allowed to beat the sh!t out of arsehole kids..

and then expell them for the rest of the school year

yeah man, i remember this friend, she got a stupid kid that wanted to leave the classroom just because he felt like to.. my friend block the door and said no, sit down, he pushed her, and started kickin her! my friend tried to grasp his legs so he'd stop kickin her, and she got in troubles!! for touching the kid, what the fukc is that about..

then there are this kids with 'anger management problems (bullcrap, they just need a good slap on the face) and start trashing the room, ####### is that.. just beat the ####### out of them

Edited September 18, 2007 by pedroh

[Jaseball 0]

We can do what if's until we're blue in the face.

What if the psycho is dressed as a uniformed cop or SWAT regalia? How can you tell the real ones from the impostor?

I'd have no problems with students 21+ with the right training, screening, and registration carrying as well.

You're damn right that mass murderer's don't give a damn about who's carrying or who they kill. That's how you tell they are the crazies. You'd probably have anyone with a gun pull it out at the first sign of trouble. I'm sure the staff and students would realize this person is a protector and they either wait in the room until the nut or cops show up or they would move as a group to get away.

See, the people running away from the guy shooting at them means that one is a psycho. The people crowding around and seeking shelter from the guy with a gun is a good guy. It's not that complicated.

In a crazy situation like that you know what happens? Cell phone out to 911. Probably 2-5 minutes to send units out. The cops finally show and form a perimeter and treat anyone in the area as a possible suspect anyways. That's why you see cops aim at everyone, even hostages. After more people get shot dead, the cops call SWAT if they have that and strengthen the perimeter and try to get a crisis negotiator. They are constantly trying to get info, such as how many gunman? What weapons? Where are they located? How many hostages? How many dead? After SWAT arrives they use the data to form an attack plan and have to get approved to go in. All this time the people inside are getting shot to death.

Right now if I hear gun shots I know what I'm doing. Running away as fast and far as possible, knowing if I come face to face with the nut job I'm good as dead. I'd rather run away than sit there waiting on the chance he stumbles on me anyways and shoots me dead without my having a chance.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm of the belief that gun laws only restrict law abiding citizens. If someone is trained, has been screened, and knows how to use a firearm I'm all for letting as many people carry concealed as possible.

Why? Because then nobody knows if that young college student, that 60 year old grandma, that guy in a wheelchair, or that soccer mom is packing heat. Not knowing who is armed and carrying is 100x more effective as a deterrent than more gun laws.

Criminals will carry and use guns regardless of the law or the punishments.

Imagine all those massacres where if a few people were armed and trained could have shot back. These mass murder pussies count on the fact that there will be unarmed people cowering in fear as the psycho walks around laughing and gunning down people hiding in closets in under desks.

Just one law abiding person with a .40 or other hand gun would have wiped that smile off their faces and sent them to hell or at least it would have evened the odds just a little bit.

There was a discussion about that after the thing in Virginia, and to be honest I still don’t get it.

Its one thing to say that if someone there was armed – there’s a good chance that they could have evened the odds or prevented what happened. I don’t think that’s in any doubt. But into that argument I can’t help but read at least a small degree of “wishful thinking”, wanting to be the cowboy in the white hat. All of this puts a lot of emphasis on “ifs and buts” – if someone had a gun, if they could get to it in time, if they were trained to use it – and so on. The point is that these things are largely unpredictable – you might know one or two eccentric people but how do you know that a person’s social idiosyncracies are masking some sort of suicidal depression or homicidal rage?

Then the idea becomes that in order to head off this sort of thing we should somehow carry these weapons around as part of our everyday dress – like putting on a belt or socks. I have a huge problem with that – for one thing as it would change the fundamental order of society. Visible weapon ownership on anyone other than a law enforcement officer is something that should be questioned IMO, rather than accepted as normal.

[Jaseball 0]

My thinking is I'd personally rather be the guy with a few guns and plenty of ammo and never have to fire a shot in defense than be the guy in his underwear with a golf club or baseball bat waiting in the hall or bedroom when I hear glass break downstairs.

The police are in no way obligated to risk their lives to protect you and even if they wanted to their response times will often be horrible to the point where all they can do is file a report or draw a chalk outline.

There are just unimaginable situations where having a gun is just the best insurance possible. Riots in or around a large city where you live. A Katrina type disaster where food and water are worth more than gold in some areas and no help is coming for weeks/months. A successful terrorist suitcase nuke or dirty bomb causes anarchy where you live. A burglar in the house. A pit bull or other animal attacking.

[mawilson 2,133]

How rational is a 'mass murderer'? Are they going to just go away because people are going around carrying guns?

No, they won't go away because people are carrying guns, but they will be shot by the people carrying guns.

[Sinergy 3]

na, teachers should only be allowed to beat the sh!t out of arsehole kids..

youd make a good teacher lol

[mawilson 2,133]

Imagine a 911 call coming from someone at school where all they hear are shots fired on campus. The police have nothing else to go on, but must respond. Meanwile, there are several teachers with guns in their classrooms, stopping class after hearing the shots fired outside - they too know nothing more of what is transpiring. How do you suppose the police and each teacher knows who fired the shots if they were all outside looking for the culprit in hopes of stopping a mass shooting?

What you just said makes no sense whatsoever

[Sinergy 3]

Imagine a 911 call coming from someone at school where all they hear are shots fired on campus. The police have nothing else to go on, but must respond. Meanwile, there are several teachers with guns in their classrooms, stopping class after hearing the shots fired outside - they too know nothing more of what is transpiring. How do you suppose the police and each teacher knows who fired the shots if they were all outside looking for the culprit in hopes of stopping a mass shooting?

What you just said makes no sense whatsoever

mr fancypants, whats up ive heard this 3 times this week already

[almaty 19]

i am against teachers carrying a gun..cause most teachers who pulled it out, would have the gun taken away by the kids...it takes a bad azz teacher to pull the trigger on a kid or a potential threat

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

Guns have no place in classrooms.

not even a nra marksmanship class?