Clinton's Mandatory Health Insurance Purchase Plan is an Act of War on the Middle Class Family That Can't Afford $12k Policy

[Scott & Lai 12]

so everyone still wanting that government health care plan?

Yes, just not Hillary's plan as it has been laid out.

do i hear steven voting republican?

Right now as it stands, if it's between Giuliani and Hillary - I'd vote for Giuliani. How do you like them apples?

Oh man, I may put that quote in my siggy!

Haha, I just did it too

[Caladan 19]

Good lord, Steven, Guiliani's just going to be another authoritarian puppet. The Republicans shouldn't get to play with the government for a while until they master crayons and fiscal responsibility.

I am not a fan of Clinton's plan, but I don't think this particular criticism is a good one. The market responds. Force everyone to have health insurance and suddenly, the companies have a lot more healthy adults (like me) who generally fly without insurance because they're unlikely to need it. That means a bigger risk pool, which likely means lower fees. What's happened in Massachusetts?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Good lord, Steven, Guiliani's just going to be another authoritarian puppet.

Silly fear mongering.

[Caladan 19]

Good lord, Steven, Guiliani's just going to be another authoritarian puppet.

Silly fear mongering.

Dude. Presidents are telegenic figureheads. The decisionmakers in the administration are the ones with the power and these ones have proven they shouldn't be allowed to run a hot dog stand. And as major of NYC, Guiliani cleaned up the place but wasn't really great about civil liberties. Of which I am a fan.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

And as major of NYC, Guiliani cleaned up the place but wasn't really great about civil liberties. Of which I am a fan.

Is being able to go hang out in midtown till 2am without being worried about being mugged a "civil liberty"? Then Rudy did a lot to return that particular civil liberty to a lot of people.

Edited September 18, 2007 by VJ Troll

[Scott & Lai 12]

And as major of NYC, Guiliani cleaned up the place but wasn't really great about civil liberties. Of which I am a fan.

Is being able to go hang out in midtown till 2am without being worried about being mugged a "civil liberty"? Then Rudy did a lot to return that particular civil liberty to a lot of people.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And as major of NYC, Guiliani cleaned up the place but wasn't really great about civil liberties. Of which I am a fan.

Is being able to go hang out in midtown till 2am without being worried about being mugged a "civil liberty"? Then Rudy did a lot to return that particular civil liberty to a lot of people.

Basic Law and order, although certainly a good thing isn't really a civil right. After all crime could be cut to nothing tomorrow if the govt declared martial law....

[Scott & Lai 12]

And as major of NYC, Guiliani cleaned up the place but wasn't really great about civil liberties. Of which I am a fan.

Is being able to go hang out in midtown till 2am without being worried about being mugged a "civil liberty"? Then Rudy did a lot to return that particular civil liberty to a lot of people.

Basic Law and order, although certainly a good thing isn't really a civil right. After all crime could be cut to nothing tomorrow if the govt declared martial law....

"Civil liberties" aren't worth much if you have to live in fear behind bars and can't go about freely because the predators rule the neighborhood. In some areas, the criminals have essentially declared their own version of martial law.

Edited September 18, 2007 by Scott & Lai

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And as major of NYC, Guiliani cleaned up the place but wasn't really great about civil liberties. Of which I am a fan.

Is being able to go hang out in midtown till 2am without being worried about being mugged a "civil liberty"? Then Rudy did a lot to return that particular civil liberty to a lot of people.

Basic Law and order, although certainly a good thing isn't really a civil right. After all crime could be cut to nothing tomorrow if the govt declared martial law....

"Civil liberties" aren't worth much if you have to live in fear behind bars and can't go about freely because the predators rule the neighborhood. In some areas, the criminals have essentially declared their own version of martial law.

Well its a no-brainer that the freedoms we enjoy are reliant on our various national institutions. Law and Order is really a bare minimum requirement to keep our society from falling into chaos. Civil rights go above that - related more to quality (and equality) of life than anything else.

[Fandango 1,439]

I'd love to see a fellow Italian in the WH!!!!

[Scott & Lai 12]

I'd love to see a fellow Italian in the WH!!!!

We could do a he11 of a lot worse than Rudi

[Fandango 1,439]

I'd love to see a fellow Italian in the WH!!!!

We could do a he11 of a lot worse than Rudi

Sunday gravy at the WH!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is it a requirement that all of the leading presidential candidates be authoritarian in one aspect or another?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Good lord, Steven, Guiliani's just going to be another authoritarian puppet. The Republicans shouldn't get to play with the government for a while until they master crayons and fiscal responsibility.

I am not a fan of Clinton's plan, but I don't think this particular criticism is a good one. The market responds. Force everyone to have health insurance and suddenly, the companies have a lot more healthy adults (like me) who generally fly without insurance because they're unlikely to need it. That means a bigger risk pool, which likely means lower fees. What's happened in Massachusetts?

My vote is still open, but I'm just really disappointed with some of things about Hillary - she was never my first choice anyway. Giuliani is about as socially liberal as Hillary is, but his position on the war in Iraq doesn't sit well with me.

As for Massachusetts - good question. I'll see what I can find tomorrow on how their universal coverage is taking place. Here, in California, we are edging close to passing similar legislation.

I just now saw your wedding photos! Very nice! Congratulations again!

[Caladan 19]

And as major of NYC, Guiliani cleaned up the place but wasn't really great about civil liberties. Of which I am a fan.

Is being able to go hang out in midtown till 2am without being worried about being mugged a "civil liberty"? Then Rudy did a lot to return that particular civil liberty to a lot of people.

I was thinking more of the post 9/11 'let's cancel the election and let me stay on a few more weeks.' Not exactly a good follow-up to this administration.