A military route to citizenship

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Actually, I wonder just how high this is on the agenda of Joe/Jane Average American? I think they are more concerned with are they going to have a job, are they going to be able to sell their house, are their children safe, are they going to have coverage for the operation they need, is their relative ever coming home from Iraq, etc..... I just think that immigration reform isn't so high on the list of priorities for most people. I could ask anyone here at work and I'd bet immigration reform wouldn't be on their top 10 list of most important issues...

I must be Joe Average American! I have a house for sale in Topeka, KS if anyone is interested.

As for worrying about the job, I doubt very much that an "illegal" immigrant is going to ever take my job, and I dare say the vast majority of those on VJ aren't too worried about those darn "illegals" taking their jobs or reducing their pay.

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Actually, I wonder just how high this is on the agenda of Joe/Jane Average American? I think they are more concerned with are they going to have a job, are they going to be able to sell their house, are their children safe, are they going to have coverage for the operation they need, is their relative ever coming home from Iraq, etc..... I just think that immigration reform isn't so high on the list of priorities for most people. I could ask anyone here at work and I'd bet immigration reform wouldn't be on their top 10 list of most important issues...

I must be Joe Average American! I have a house for sale in Topeka, KS if anyone is interested.

As for worrying about the job, I doubt very much that an "illegal" immigrant is going to ever take my job, and I dare say the vast majority of those on VJ aren't too worried about those darn "illegals" taking their jobs or reducing their pay.

well i'm not worried about an illegal immigrant taking my job or reducing my pay either. but, i am worried about those other americans & legal immigrants that aren't as fortunate as we are, w/ no degree. what about the guy w/ 3 kids that works as a framer, or the lady w/ 4 kids working at a warehouse during the day & working 2 house keeping jobs at night & weekends(my mother 20 years ago). i do care about these people & their ability to provide for themselves & their families. and there is no way anyone will ever convince me that an illegal immigrant has as much right to those jobs as an american citizen or legal immigrant.

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And there's another thing, how much impact does hiring illegal aliens have on both the job market and overall wages for lower income positions? My guess is, that outsourcing and cheaper wages in third world countries plays a much bigger role in this than anything that goes on because of illegals...but there you go, not much mileage in that one really.

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And there's another thing, how much impact does hiring illegal aliens have on both the job market and overall wages for lower income positions? My guess is, that outsourcing and cheaper wages in third world countries plays a much bigger role in this than anything that goes on because of illegals...but there you go, not much mileage in that one really.

well actually outsourcing & wages in other countries have 0, nadda, nothing to do w/ construction & service industry jobs & wages inside the US. but, illegal immigration does. and again noone is going to convince me or anyone in these jobs, an illegal immigrant has any right to be taking a job from or undercutting the wages of an american or legal immigrant.

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As for worrying about the job, I doubt very much that an "illegal" immigrant is going to ever take my job, and I dare say the vast majority of those on VJ aren't too worried about those darn "illegals" taking their jobs or reducing their pay.

i'm more worried about the tax burden they cause taxpayers (i.e. me!)

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As for worrying about the job, I doubt very much that an "illegal" immigrant is going to ever take my job, and I dare say the vast majority of those on VJ aren't too worried about those darn "illegals" taking their jobs or reducing their pay.

i'm more worried about the tax burden they cause taxpayers (i.e. me!)

A tax burden which is a fraction of other tax burdens like the Iraq war.

But then overall if illegal aliens don't pay taxes, the companies that hire them will. So in the end, the tax burden is neutral.

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As for worrying about the job, I doubt very much that an "illegal" immigrant is going to ever take my job, and I dare say the vast majority of those on VJ aren't too worried about those darn "illegals" taking their jobs or reducing their pay.

i'm more worried about the tax burden they cause taxpayers (i.e. me!)

A tax burden which is a fraction of other tax burdens like the Iraq war.

But then overall if illegal aliens don't pay taxes, the companies that hire them will. So in the end, the tax burden is neutral.

So your suggesting not only is it okay for them to get a free ride but also to get a tax free ride.

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There may be areas of employment where the illegals have more of an influence than others, sure, but that wasn't what I was saying. If one were to look at the actual influences on low wages and the lack of job oppertunities in lower income positions, how much of it would be as a result of illegal alien activity?

And to be sure people don't read anything else that isn't there, I am not trying to suggest that business should be allowed to hire illegals or that hiring illegals is a good thing, or somehow that because there might actually be other influences at work, this somehow makes hiring illegal aliens ok.

[Dan J 277]

As for worrying about the job, I doubt very much that an "illegal" immigrant is going to ever take my job, and I dare say the vast majority of those on VJ aren't too worried about those darn "illegals" taking their jobs or reducing their pay.

i'm more worried about the tax burden they cause taxpayers (i.e. me!)

A tax burden which is a fraction of other tax burdens like the Iraq war.

But then overall if illegal aliens don't pay taxes, the companies that hire them will. So in the end, the tax burden is neutral.

So your suggesting not only is it okay for them to get a free ride but also to get a tax free ride.

They are not exactly getting a tax free ride. If a company saves money using illegal immigrants, the company pays taxes on that extra money. So while the tax collection is not happening on the employee, it is happening in other parts of the economic system. Indirectly they are taxed.

There may be areas of employment where the illegals have more of an influence than others, sure, but that wasn't what I was saying. If one were to look at the actual influences on low wages and the lack of job oppertunities in lower income positions, how much of it would be as a result of illegal alien activity?

And to be sure people don't read anything else that isn't there, I am not trying to suggest that business should be allowed to hire illegals or that hiring illegals is a good thing, or somehow that because there might actually be other influences at work, this somehow makes hiring illegal aliens ok.

Outsourced manufacturing has done more to hurt low skilled jobs than illegal aliens have. Where is the outrage? Oh wait, if its progress its Ok.

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As for worrying about the job, I doubt very much that an "illegal" immigrant is going to ever take my job, and I dare say the vast majority of those on VJ aren't too worried about those darn "illegals" taking their jobs or reducing their pay.

i'm more worried about the tax burden they cause taxpayers (i.e. me!)

A tax burden which is a fraction of other tax burdens like the Iraq war.

But then overall if illegal aliens don't pay taxes, the companies that hire them will. So in the end, the tax burden is neutral.

So your suggesting not only is it okay for them to get a free ride but also to get a tax free ride.

They are not exactly getting a tax free ride. If a company saves money using illegal immigrants, the company pays taxes on that extra money. So while the tax collection is not happening on the employee, it is happening in other parts of the economic system. Indirectly they are taxed.

Who is losing in this picture though. Middle and poor Americans. Only the rich profit off cheap labor. Companies barely pay any tax in the US anyway..

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As for worrying about the job, I doubt very much that an "illegal" immigrant is going to ever take my job, and I dare say the vast majority of those on VJ aren't too worried about those darn "illegals" taking their jobs or reducing their pay.

i'm more worried about the tax burden they cause taxpayers (i.e. me!)

A tax burden which is a fraction of other tax burdens like the Iraq war.

But then overall if illegal aliens don't pay taxes, the companies that hire them will. So in the end, the tax burden is neutral.

think so? keep trying - a company can find creative ways to write off profits. what you suggest above with the illegals not paying taxes but the company does is quite lame.

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And there's another thing, how much impact does hiring illegal aliens have on both the job market and overall wages for lower income positions? My guess is, that outsourcing and cheaper wages in third world countries plays a much bigger role in this than anything that goes on because of illegals...but there you go, not much mileage in that one really.

Excellent Point! I agree with you here only because i have seen it first hand.

I previously worked for a well known Corp. that closed it manufactering plant & Outsourced the work

Over 1500 peole lost their jobs to overseas outsourcing.

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And there's another thing, how much impact does hiring illegal aliens have on both the job market and overall wages for lower income positions? My guess is, that outsourcing and cheaper wages in third world countries plays a much bigger role in this than anything that goes on because of illegals...but there you go, not much mileage in that one really.

Excellent Point! I agree with you here only because i have seen it first hand.

I previously worked for a well known Corp. that closed it manufactering plant & Outsourced the work

Over 1500 peole lost their jobs to overseas outsourcing.

However, That still does not make up or answer for the Govt. resources that illegal Aliens are using becoming dependent on US tax payers and not putting anything into the system. As a result Health care cost rise, auto insurance rates increase, Quality of public eduication decreases, cost increase to educate the children of these families that are not paying into the system.

Housing values fall, rents raise, crime increases in areas where Illegals are populous.

I am one of a few people here that does Not argue or play the card that Ilegals take Jobs that Americans won't do, becasue i don't buy that one.

I feel they are working illegally and stealing from the govt. and the states they reside illegally in, also Companies that hire them are stealing from the local tax base.

The Bottom line is they do not have the priviliage of illegally entering the country and remaining without consequence all the while demanding benefits or rights they are NOT entitled to.

Yes a crime is a crime and it should be dealth with. If you enter illegally then pay the price Deportation, Fines, & 5-10 year Ban

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As for worrying about the job, I doubt very much that an "illegal" immigrant is going to ever take my job, and I dare say the vast majority of those on VJ aren't too worried about those darn "illegals" taking their jobs or reducing their pay.

i'm more worried about the tax burden they cause taxpayers (i.e. me!)

A tax burden which is a fraction of other tax burdens like the Iraq war.

But then overall if illegal aliens don't pay taxes, the companies that hire them will. So in the end, the tax burden is neutral.

think so? keep trying - a company can find creative ways to write off profits. what you suggest above with the illegals not paying taxes but the company does is quite lame.

Growth will get taxed in some way or some form. If its not the company that hires the illegal immigrants, its the companys that supply them.

But then, how much does someone making $10k to $15k a year actually pay in taxes? Especially if they have a family. Its not very much.

Housing values fall, rents raise, crime increases in areas where Illegals are populous.

Correlation doesn't prove causation. However, since many illegal immigrants are poor, isn't it more correct to say "Housing values fall, rents raise, crime increases in areas where the Poor are populous."

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The Development Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act would allow undocumented high-school graduates to gain citizenship if they either attend college for two years or serve two years in the military.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0917dreamwar0917.html

Let me get this straight. Rather than assisting the 45,000,000+ Americans living in poverty, elected senators are actually proposing illegal immigrants get a handout and get-out-of-jail-free pass..

And the left made it out that GWB was the idiot and that General Petraeus was the traitor. Seriously what sort of morons vote for these guys??

Isn't that sad, and those who advocate this must be blind to the status of middle class America which is being forced into poverty.

These Illegals have no right to remain in this country and be given free assistance and govt. support when there are so many Americans that are living below poverty that could use the assiatnce and resources these ILLEGAL CRIMINALS are taking.