Finally- maybe an ounce of common sense

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Why does her statement need any interpretation beyond what she said? I mean, do you REALLY think she would believe the US is such a bad and horrible place? Some of you completely threw out common sense on this one. If one thinks that our immigration policies are archaic - does that equate to believing the US is a bad and horrible place? What a bizarre sense of nationalism...quite fascist, really.

Out of fear and hatred of an enemy you cannot find you have set out to destroy our lives and our families. As you knocked on my door, you are knocking on thousands of doors, ripping mothers and fathers away from their terrified children.

Doesn't sound like a happy place to leave your child without his mother......

This seems to be a prevailing logic - criticize the current Administration/Government and its policies and you're criticizing America herself. That's got fascism written all over it, no matter how you slice it.

That's so lame, Steve. Just throw ugly labels at it? yawn.

This administration, may I remind you, had the goal of letting this woman along with who knows how many millions of others legalize in the US. Why would you interpret her statement as her criticizing this administration? It was the American people that stood up and said NO to her and all the others. It was America that rejected the amnesty that the administration was pursuing.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

It was the American people that stood up and said NO to her and all the others. It was America that rejected the amnesty that the administration was pursuing.

You mean it was like American Idol where you can call in and vote her to stay or go? Irrespective of whether you disagree with this woman or whether justice was served with her deportation, common sense says that she doesn't believe that America is "such a bad and horrible place." How dare she say anything critical about our immigration policies and/or government? Like I said, anyone who shares that view is being fascist about their nationalism.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It was the American people that stood up and said NO to her and all the others. It was America that rejected the amnesty that the administration was pursuing.

You mean it was like American Idol where you can call in and vote her to stay or go? Irrespective of whether you disagree with this woman or whether justice was served with her deportation, common sense says that she doesn't believe that America is "such a bad and horrible place." How dare she say anything critical about our immigration policies and/or government? Like I said, anyone who shares that view is being fascist about their nationalism.

No, Steve. National polls indicated one after the other that America is fed up with the illegal crowd and that America wanted something done about it. Something other than granting amnesty to the illegals and something other than encouraging more aliens to take a pizz on our laws. You know it.

As for this alien convict: She has no voice in tis country. She's nobody in this country. She has no case either - remember, she was removed after having been afforded due process. Nor does she have any credibility. If she was genuinely concerned about the plight of illegal aliens and the way they are treated, then she should make her vice heard where she has one - in Mexico. She ought to be criticizing the very government she instead recently chose to petition for an ambassadorship to the US about how it treats illegal aliens within it's borders. Mexico - not the US - is where illegal aliens are treated inhumanely. She should focus on what's wrong in her country rather than pretending that she has any right whatsoever to criticize the American people on how they chose to arrange and structure the admission of aliens into their country. From a US point of view, she's a convict and an undesirable alien. Nothing more.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

It was the American people that stood up and said NO to her and all the others. It was America that rejected the amnesty that the administration was pursuing.

You mean it was like American Idol where you can call in and vote her to stay or go? Irrespective of whether you disagree with this woman or whether justice was served with her deportation, common sense says that she doesn't believe that America is "such a bad and horrible place." How dare she say anything critical about our immigration policies and/or government? Like I said, anyone who shares that view is being fascist about their nationalism.

As for this alien convict: She has no voice in tis country. She's nobody in this country.

I rest my case.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It was the American people that stood up and said NO to her and all the others. It was America that rejected the amnesty that the administration was pursuing.

You mean it was like American Idol where you can call in and vote her to stay or go? Irrespective of whether you disagree with this woman or whether justice was served with her deportation, common sense says that she doesn't believe that America is "such a bad and horrible place." How dare she say anything critical about our immigration policies and/or government? Like I said, anyone who shares that view is being fascist about their nationalism.

As for this alien convict: She has no voice in tis country. She's nobody in this country.

I rest my case.

Is that all you got? Then you don't have a case.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

It was the American people that stood up and said NO to her and all the others. It was America that rejected the amnesty that the administration was pursuing.

You mean it was like American Idol where you can call in and vote her to stay or go? Irrespective of whether you disagree with this woman or whether justice was served with her deportation, common sense says that she doesn't believe that America is "such a bad and horrible place." How dare she say anything critical about our immigration policies and/or government? Like I said, anyone who shares that view is being fascist about their nationalism.

As for this alien convict: She has no voice in tis country. She's nobody in this country.

I rest my case.

Is that all you got? Then you don't have a case.

What a sad state this country is in, if that narrow sense of nationalism prevails.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It was the American people that stood up and said NO to her and all the others. It was America that rejected the amnesty that the administration was pursuing.

You mean it was like American Idol where you can call in and vote her to stay or go? Irrespective of whether you disagree with this woman or whether justice was served with her deportation, common sense says that she doesn't believe that America is "such a bad and horrible place." How dare she say anything critical about our immigration policies and/or government? Like I said, anyone who shares that view is being fascist about their nationalism.

As for this alien convict: She has no voice in tis country. She's nobody in this country.

I rest my case.

Is that all you got? Then you don't have a case.

What a sad state this country is in, if that narrow sense of nationalism prevails.

There's no nationalism in stating the simple facts I've stated. None whatsoever. I have no issue with immigration. As long as it occurs in an orderly fashion as decided by the people of this nation. This country has a right to regulate the privilege of immigration in a manner that serves our interest. There's nothing nationalistic about that. If, on the other hand, your apparent sense of anarchy prevailed, we'd be in quite some shite...

[one...two...tree 2,762]

It was the American people that stood up and said NO to her and all the others. It was America that rejected the amnesty that the administration was pursuing.

You mean it was like American Idol where you can call in and vote her to stay or go? Irrespective of whether you disagree with this woman or whether justice was served with her deportation, common sense says that she doesn't believe that America is "such a bad and horrible place." How dare she say anything critical about our immigration policies and/or government? Like I said, anyone who shares that view is being fascist about their nationalism.

As for this alien convict: She has no voice in tis country. She's nobody in this country.

I rest my case.

Is that all you got? Then you don't have a case.

What a sad state this country is in, if that narrow sense of nationalism prevails.

There's no nationalism in stating the simple facts I've stated. None whatsoever. I have no issue with immigration. As long as it occurs in an orderly fashion as decided by the people of this nation. This country has a right to regulate the privilege of immigration in a manner that serves our interest. There's nothing nationalistic about that. If, on the other hand, your apparent sense of anarchy prevailed, we'd be in quite some shite...

That her voice doesn't count because she was here illegally? Maybe it makes you feel uneasy to hear that term applied to you but perhaps maybe you should then rethink your views on whose voices don't count in this country.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It was the American people that stood up and said NO to her and all the others. It was America that rejected the amnesty that the administration was pursuing.

You mean it was like American Idol where you can call in and vote her to stay or go? Irrespective of whether you disagree with this woman or whether justice was served with her deportation, common sense says that she doesn't believe that America is "such a bad and horrible place." How dare she say anything critical about our immigration policies and/or government? Like I said, anyone who shares that view is being fascist about their nationalism.

As for this alien convict: She has no voice in tis country. She's nobody in this country.

I rest my case.

Is that all you got? Then you don't have a case.

What a sad state this country is in, if that narrow sense of nationalism prevails.

There's no nationalism in stating the simple facts I've stated. None whatsoever. I have no issue with immigration. As long as it occurs in an orderly fashion as decided by the people of this nation. This country has a right to regulate the privilege of immigration in a manner that serves our interest. There's nothing nationalistic about that. If, on the other hand, your apparent sense of anarchy prevailed, we'd be in quite some shite...

That her voice doesn't count because she was here illegally? Maybe it makes you feel uneasy to hear that term applied to you but perhaps maybe you should then rethink your views on whose voices don't count in this country.

Aliens - least of all those that are here illegally - do not get to set the terms of immigration around here or define the debate on how this country regulates the privilege of immigration. Not here or in any other nation - least of all in the nation she's a part of. Whether you like it or not, that's the cold reality of it. If you took your rose colored shades off for just a second, you may actually be able to recognize this simple little fact.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

That her voice doesn't count because she was here illegally? Maybe it makes you feel uneasy to hear that term applied to you but perhaps maybe you should then rethink your views on whose voices don't count in this country.

Aliens - least of all those that are here illegally - do not get to set the terms of immigration around here or define the debate on how this country regulates the privilege of immigration. Not here or in any other nation - least of all in the nation she's a part of. Whether you like it or not, that's the cold reality of it. If you took your rose colored shades off for just a second, you may actually be able to recognize this simple little fact.

Look around you, Reinhard. It's happening/happened all the time. How many times has this nation interceded on the behalf of people in another country? How many times have the voices of Americans been critical of other countries' governments and their leaders? We've had a string of threads recently over Mexican trucks transporting goods into the US (legally as part of NAFTA). There is a prevailing fascist view of nationalism that seems to permeate, at least on this site.

Edited September 16, 2007 by Mister Fancypants

[Ban Hammer 13,928]

That her voice doesn't count because she was here illegally? Maybe it makes you feel uneasy to hear that term applied to you but perhaps maybe you should then rethink your views on whose voices don't count in this country.

welcome to reality steven. do you really think your voice would be heard politically in mexico?

and do be careful with that facism label and trying to apply it to those who want the law to be followed.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

How many times has this nation interceded on the behalf of people in another country? How many times have the voices of Americans been critical of other countries' governments and their leaders?

Apples and oranges, Steven. When and where has the US intervened or interceded on behalf of people that were afforded due process in accordance with generally accepted humanitarian principals? When and where have Americans been critical of governments that afford their people internationally accepted freedoms and rights?

Edited September 16, 2007 by Mr. Big Dog

[one...two...tree 2,762]

That her voice doesn't count because she was here illegally? Maybe it makes you feel uneasy to hear that term applied to you but perhaps maybe you should then rethink your views on whose voices don't count in this country.

welcome to reality steven. do you really think your voice would be heard politically in mexico?

and do be careful with that facism label and trying to apply it to those who want the law to be followed.

Charles, you'll have to go back and look at what was posted. I did not suggest or say that following laws are fascist. I was commenting on a person's post that this woman's criticism equates to her believing that 'the US is a horrible and bad place.' When people either insist that's what she means or that her boldness of criticism towards our government and it's policies is outrageous, that is a fascist view of nationalism. We just had some threads regarding Mexican trucks coming into the US (legally, mind you) and people here (Americans) criticizing it, even suggesting taking political action. We constantly speak out against other country's laws and their governments even though we don't belong to their country. So to suggest that this woman's criticism is out of place is preposterous and more saddening that people take it beyond mere annoyance of her comments to say she has no voice. No matter how you slice it, that is a fascist view of nationalism.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Drop the nonsense labels, Steve. It would make it easier to take your argument seriously. You really start to sound shrill.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Drop the nonsense labels, Steve. It would make it easier to take your argument seriously. You really start to sound shrill.

It is what it is. I for one welcome any criticism aimed at this country's policies and government provided it has substance. We would do well to listen such criticism. The fairy tale, The Emperor's New Clothes, contains just that nugget of wisdom.