Giuliani: Illegal immigration is not a crime

[pedroh 21]

illegals think theyre soooo special, waltzing in here, strutting their stuff, their escalades and flat screen tv's and designer purses and whatnot. i hate em. fry em all. i hate em so much.

ya man.. Vuitton just made a special line of waterproof bags for illegals..

i wonder how outraged you'd be if someone else said the above.....

not at all.. that's not an insulting joke imo.. if it were the typical 'oh drug carrying, disease-carrier, rapist, etc etc' illegal, yeah.. cuz dude, im tired of that sh!t, they should get new material..

so do you get mad when dave chappelle talks about the white man?

[natty bumppo 297]

illegals think theyre soooo special, waltzing in here, strutting their stuff, their escalades and flat screen tv's and designer purses and whatnot. i hate em. fry em all. i hate em so much.

ya man.. Vuitton just made a special line of waterproof bags for illegals..

i wonder how outraged you'd be if someone else said the above.....

where can we buy the bags? I'll take them down to the corner and sell bags to those waiting for the morning DRUG truck

Edited September 9, 2007 by Natty Bumppo

[Ban Hammer 13,361]

illegals think theyre soooo special, waltzing in here, strutting their stuff, their escalades and flat screen tv's and designer purses and whatnot. i hate em. fry em all. i hate em so much.

ya man.. Vuitton just made a special line of waterproof bags for illegals..

i wonder how outraged you'd be if someone else said the above.....

not at all.. that's not an insulting joke imo.. if it were the typical 'oh drug carrying, disease-carrier, rapist, etc etc' illegal, yeah.. cuz dude, im tired of that sh!t, they should get new material..

so do you get mad when dave chappelle talks about the white man?

dave who?

[Sheriff Uling 3]

Or he's just pointed out what the law is. Civil offense, not a criminal one, and it's heartening at least to see he recognizes that.

Most any other GOP candidate would have been unable to resist couching it in red-meat. Certainly a Fred T or Brownback would never use the words "is not a crime" and they sure as he11 would not have said it shouldn't be.

As had been pointed out before, ENTERING illegally is a crime punishable by 1 year in jail. Re-entering after being deported is a felony. Illegal presence is a civil violation. But omitting those that came in on a valid visa and overstayed the rest have committed a crime.

Thank you! He would omit the extent of the law for his own political game. Not to mention, he's another idiot! Its comments like Giuliani's that further perpetuate the notion that our immigration laws have no merit or purpose. Goodness!!!

[LuzyC 0]

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Edited September 9, 2007 by LuzyC

[GaryC 7]

Or he's just pointed out what the law is. Civil offense, not a criminal one, and it's heartening at least to see he recognizes that.

Most any other GOP candidate would have been unable to resist couching it in red-meat. Certainly a Fred T or Brownback would never use the words "is not a crime" and they sure as he11 would not have said it shouldn't be.

As had been pointed out before, ENTERING illegally is a crime punishable by 1 year in jail. Re-entering after being deported is a felony. Illegal presence is a civil violation. But omitting those that came in on a valid visa and overstayed the rest have committed a crime.

Illegal immigration shouldn't be a crime, either, Giuliani said: "No, it shouldn't be because the government wouldn't be able to prosecute it. We couldn't prosecute 12 million people. We have only 2 million people in jail right now for all the crimes that are committed in the country, 2.5 million."

That is one reason why I am not supporting Giuliani. I am not saying we should throw 20 million people in jail but if being here illegally was a crime then the local police would have a reason to hold anyone they find to be here without permission. It would stop all "catch and release" and "sanctuary city" policies.

Gary, if you saw an illegal immigrant walking down the street and you were certain they were here illegally, what would you do under the current circumstances?

Have him arrested and deported.

[GaryC 7]

thought i smelled redneck

you did brother...this site is full of them..fear of a brown country

Why the racism brother Dean? It isn't a fear of a brown country and you know it. It's the fact we have 20 million undocumented people in our country. Their skin color makes no difference. I thought you were better than that.

[GaryC 7]

Gary, if you saw an illegal immigrant walking down the street and you were certain they were here illegally, what would you do under the current circumstances?

Get a big gun?

Showing your intelligence again Dev? Now anyone that doesn't like the fact we have 20 million people here without documentation advocates murder? Very nice. I think we found the real racist here.

[GaryC 7]

You know, the left has always tried to paint the right with the intolerance brush. But judging by the comments I see from that side makes me realize that it's the left that has a lock on intolerance. Anyone that has a differing opinion is put down and made to look like the bad guy. I find your broad generalizations and outright smearing of people that have differing opinions to be very distasteful and insulting. Sure I poke fun at specific candidates but it seems your side can't get by without overt smearing of entire groups of people that disagree with you.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You know, the left has always tried to paint the right with the intolerance brush. But judging by the comments I see from that side makes me realize that it's the left that has a lock on intolerance. Anyone that has a differing opinion is put down and made to look like the bad guy. I find your broad generalizations and outright smearing of people that have differing opinions to be very distasteful and insulting. Sure I poke fun at specific candidates but it seems your side can't get by without overt smearing of entire groups of people that disagree with you.

Gary, what's disturbing is that many people here on VJ, including yourself believe that illegal immigration is a crime or should be a crime, when it isn't, and in spite of the leading Republican candidate states that it isn't. Bush doesn't share your view. Why? I just don't understand your logic on that. Granted, I understand it to the point that you believe it as unfair (illegals being here without going through the proper immigration channels), but there are a lot of things going on in this country that is unfair that you'd barely bat an eye about.

[GaryC 7]

You know, the left has always tried to paint the right with the intolerance brush. But judging by the comments I see from that side makes me realize that it's the left that has a lock on intolerance. Anyone that has a differing opinion is put down and made to look like the bad guy. I find your broad generalizations and outright smearing of people that have differing opinions to be very distasteful and insulting. Sure I poke fun at specific candidates but it seems your side can't get by without overt smearing of entire groups of people that disagree with you.

Gary, what's disturbing is that many people here on VJ, including yourself believe that illegal immigration is a crime or should be a crime, when it isn't, and in spite of the leading Republican candidate states that it isn't. Bush doesn't share your view. Why? I just don't understand your logic on that. Granted, I understand it to the point that you believe it as unfair (illegals being here without going through the proper immigration channels), but there are a lot of things going on in this country that is unfair that you'd barely bat an eye about.

Then why have immigration laws at all? If we grant 20 million people a pass why not just throw the gates open? You just don't see what the logical end to your line of reasoning is. Why would you find it disturbing that I want our laws followed? Why would you find it disturbing that I don't like the idea of that many people coming here without permission and then make demands of us? Just because we allowed it to happen in the past is no reason to continue to make that error. I have shown that a large number of the illegals did commit a crime when they came in without inspection. That is a crime without any argument. Then there is all the related crime that goes along with it. The ID theft, the tax evasion. The working without EAD. It goes on and on. So because the act of being here without permission isn't a "crime" per se does not mean that it is without crime at all. Yet those of us that think their presence here is wrong and want the laws of the land obeyed are painted as racists. How fair is that? Then there are the far left nuts that make comments like we want to get a gun when we see an illegal. Truly insulting.

Edited September 9, 2007 by GaryC

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You know, the left has always tried to paint the right with the intolerance brush. But judging by the comments I see from that side makes me realize that it's the left that has a lock on intolerance. Anyone that has a differing opinion is put down and made to look like the bad guy. I find your broad generalizations and outright smearing of people that have differing opinions to be very distasteful and insulting. Sure I poke fun at specific candidates but it seems your side can't get by without overt smearing of entire groups of people that disagree with you.

Gary, what's disturbing is that many people here on VJ, including yourself believe that illegal immigration is a crime or should be a crime, when it isn't, and in spite of the leading Republican candidate states that it isn't. Bush doesn't share your view. Why? I just don't understand your logic on that. Granted, I understand it to the point that you believe it as unfair (illegals being here without going through the proper immigration channels), but there are a lot of things going on in this country that is unfair that you'd barely bat an eye about.

Then why have immigration laws at all? If we grant 20 million people a pass why not just throw the gates open? You just don't see what the logical end to your line of reasoning is. Why would you find it disturbing that I want our laws followed? Why would you find it disturbing that I don't like the idea of that many people coming here without permission and then make demands of us? Just because we allowed it to happen in the past is no reason to continue to make that error. I have shown that a large number of the illegals did commit a crime when they came in without inspection. That is a crime without any argument. Then there is all the related crime that goes along with it. The ID theft, the tax evasion. The working without EAD. It goes on and on. So because the act of being here without permission isn't a "crime" per se does not mean that it is without crime at all. Yet those of us that think their presence here is wrong and want the laws of the land obeyed are painted as racists. How fair is that? Then there are the far left nuts that make comments like we want to get a gun when we see an illegal. Truly insulting.

Giuliani, a former prosecutor is saying he doesn't think illegal immigration should be a crime. Why not look at what he's saying is the solution?

[GaryC 7]

You know, the left has always tried to paint the right with the intolerance brush. But judging by the comments I see from that side makes me realize that it's the left that has a lock on intolerance. Anyone that has a differing opinion is put down and made to look like the bad guy. I find your broad generalizations and outright smearing of people that have differing opinions to be very distasteful and insulting. Sure I poke fun at specific candidates but it seems your side can't get by without overt smearing of entire groups of people that disagree with you.

Gary, what's disturbing is that many people here on VJ, including yourself believe that illegal immigration is a crime or should be a crime, when it isn't, and in spite of the leading Republican candidate states that it isn't. Bush doesn't share your view. Why? I just don't understand your logic on that. Granted, I understand it to the point that you believe it as unfair (illegals being here without going through the proper immigration channels), but there are a lot of things going on in this country that is unfair that you'd barely bat an eye about.

Then why have immigration laws at all? If we grant 20 million people a pass why not just throw the gates open? You just don't see what the logical end to your line of reasoning is. Why would you find it disturbing that I want our laws followed? Why would you find it disturbing that I don't like the idea of that many people coming here without permission and then make demands of us? Just because we allowed it to happen in the past is no reason to continue to make that error. I have shown that a large number of the illegals did commit a crime when they came in without inspection. That is a crime without any argument. Then there is all the related crime that goes along with it. The ID theft, the tax evasion. The working without EAD. It goes on and on. So because the act of being here without permission isn't a "crime" per se does not mean that it is without crime at all. Yet those of us that think their presence here is wrong and want the laws of the land obeyed are painted as racists. How fair is that? Then there are the far left nuts that make comments like we want to get a gun when we see an illegal. Truly insulting.

Giuliani, a former prosecutor is saying he doesn't think illegal immigration should be a crime. Why not look at what he's saying is the solution?

I don't agree with him at all on that point. Can't I have my beliefs of what is right and wrong? I don't need the backing of someone else to have my own opinion. Illegals need to leave. Not because of racism but because their being here in the first place is wrong.

[Sheriff Uling 3]

You know, the left has always tried to paint the right with the intolerance brush. But judging by the comments I see from that side makes me realize that it's the left that has a lock on intolerance. Anyone that has a differing opinion is put down and made to look like the bad guy. I find your broad generalizations and outright smearing of people that have differing opinions to be very distasteful and insulting. Sure I poke fun at specific candidates but it seems your side can't get by without overt smearing of entire groups of people that disagree with you.

Gary, what's disturbing is that many people here on VJ, including yourself believe that illegal immigration is a crime or should be a crime, when it isn't, and in spite of the leading Republican candidate states that it isn't. Bush doesn't share your view. Why? I just don't understand your logic on that. Granted, I understand it to the point that you believe it as unfair (illegals being here without going through the proper immigration channels), but there are a lot of things going on in this country that is unfair that you'd barely bat an eye about.

Then why have immigration laws at all? If we grant 20 million people a pass why not just throw the gates open? You just don't see what the logical end to your line of reasoning is. Why would you find it disturbing that I want our laws followed? Why would you find it disturbing that I don't like the idea of that many people coming here without permission and then make demands of us? Just because we allowed it to happen in the past is no reason to continue to make that error. I have shown that a large number of the illegals did commit a crime when they came in without inspection. That is a crime without any argument. Then there is all the related crime that goes along with it. The ID theft, the tax evasion. The working without EAD. It goes on and on. So because the act of being here without permission isn't a "crime" per se does not mean that it is without crime at all. Yet those of us that think their presence here is wrong and want the laws of the land obeyed are painted as racists. How fair is that? Then there are the far left nuts that make comments like we want to get a gun when we see an illegal. Truly insulting.

Giuliani, a former prosecutor is saying he doesn't think illegal immigration should be a crime. Why not look at what he's saying is the solution?

I don't agree with him at all on that point. Can't I have my beliefs of what is right and wrong? I don't need the backing of someone else to have my own opinion. Illegals need to leave. Not because of racism but because their being here in the first place is wrong.

Thank you again brother Gary!

How do you expect to illegal aliens to be law biding "American Citizens" when the pure nature in which they gained access to this country is illegal. It's like starting off a marriage with someone who's already cheating on you. There is a good chance that marriage will have problems. Not to mention, I am certain there are some illegal aliens that have criminal records, STDs, mental illnesses, terrorist (or affiliated), substance abusers, drug dealers, previously deported, and a host of other attributes that are detrimental to America. The laws exits to protect us, but that is of no regards when this discussion comes about. When does breaking the law not become a crime? Who becomes accountable for illegal acts committed against this country? Why does America have immigration laws? Think about it... I'm not stating that all illegal aliens are not fit to be US Citizens, or are bad people. However, America does have immigration laws and due process for specific reasons.

[Cantankerous 0]

There is a general confusion when it comes to Illegal Aliens and whether or not they are considered criminals solely by being within the US Boarder illegally.

Yes, Improper Entry By Alien, as defined by US Code is a Civil Offense. This is the most common explanation given as to why an Illegal Alien is not a Criminal.

However, most people fail to fully understand US Law in that the Immigration and Naturalization Act requires Aliens to Register.

When you understand this, and you read the US Code for Willful Failure to Register, you will learn that willfully failing to register makes an Illegal Alien guilty of a Misdemeanor.

Therefore, all Aliens over the age of 14 who have been in the US for over 30 days and have not Registered are guilty of a Criminal Misdemeanor.

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TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY

CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY

SUBCHAPTER II - IMMIGRATION

Part VIII - General Penalty Provisions

Sec. 1325. Improper entry by alien

[a] Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts.

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Improper time or place; civil penalties

Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of - (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.

Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

[c] Marriage fraud

Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

[d] Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud

Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

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IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION ACT

CHAPTER 7 - REGISTRATION OF ALIENS

262 REGISTRATION OF ALIENS IN THE UNITED STATES

SEC. 262. [8 U.S.C. 1302]

[a] It shall be the duty of every alien now or hereafter in the United States, who (1) is fourteen years of age or older, (2) has not been registered and fingerprinted under section 221 of this Act or section 30 or 31 of the Alien Registration Act, 1940, and (3) remains in the United States for thirty days or longer, to apply for registration and to be fingerprinted before the expiration of such thirty days.

It shall be the duty of every parent or legal guardian of any alien now or hereafter in the United States, who (1) is less than fourteen years of age, (2) has not been registered under section 221 of this Act or section 30 or 31 of the Alien Registration Act, 1940, and (3) remains in the United States for thirty days or longer, to apply for the registration of such alien before the expiration of such thirty days. Whenever any alien attains his fourteenth birthday in the United States he shall, within thirty days thereafter, apply in person for registration and to be fingerprinted.

[c] The Attorney General may, in his discretion and on the basis of reciprocity pursuant to such regulations as he may prescribe, waive the requirement of fingerprinting specified in subsections [a] and in the case of any nonimmigrant.

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TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY

CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY

SUBCHAPTER II - IMMIGRATION

Part VII - Registration of Aliens

Sec. 1306. Penalties

[a] Willful failure to register

Any alien required to apply for registration and to be fingerprinted in the United States who willfully fails or refuses to make such application or to be fingerprinted, and any parent or legal guardian required to apply for the registration of any alien who willfully fails or refuses to file application for the registration of such alien shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not to exceed $1,000 or be imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Failure to notify change of address

Any alien or any parent or legal guardian in the United States of any alien who fails to give written notice to the Attorney General, as required by section 1305 of this title, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not to exceed $200 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both. Irrespective of whether an alien is convicted and punished as herein provided, any alien who fails to give written notice to the Attorney General, as required by section 1305 of this title, shall be taken into custody and removed in the manner provided by part IV of this subchapter, unless such alien establishes to the satisfaction of the Attorney General that such failure was reasonably excusable or was not willful.

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