Islam: a Plan for World Domination?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

this thread should be renamed the "number 6 - booyah arguing thread"

16 pages and counting!

I agree to disagree with Number_6 on pretty much everything. Our feelings for each other are definitely mutual.

I merely find it bizarre that you have the gall to call yourself a Federalist when you promote ideas that favour authoritarian central government. You haven't denied saying any of those things - I wonder how far off my interpretation really is. Assuming you believe half of that stuff of course - your rationale seems to change with the wind.

I don't know what you are referring to but my definition of a federalist is based on the old party who believed:

The Federalists wanted a strong central government and had little interest in states' rights. The new party advocated a loose construction of the United States Constitution based on the "Necessary-and-proper clause". It believed that rule by a well-educated elite would serve all interests, and appealed to merchants, bankers, lawyers, editors, landowners, and industrialists; one of John Jay's favorite maxims was, "The people who own the country ought to govern it".[1] Its most powerful leader was Hamilton and his hero was George Washington. The Party built a network of newspapers and had substantial support from religious leaders, especially in New England. .

The UK, Australian and Canadian governments have a strong federal focus.

You might define it that way, but in contemporary usage the concept has changed somewhat since 1816.

[Heracles 417]

You might define it that way, but in contemporary usage the concept has changed somewhat since 1816.

How so?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You might define it that way, but in contemporary usage the concept has changed somewhat since 1816.

How so?

Federalism in the United States.

[DeadPoolX 9]

It really depends on the person really. Some will change, while others continue to adapt new progressive ideas.

why must it be progressive?

because there is always room for improvement

While I agree that there is "always room for improvement," the improvement in question is entirely subjective. What a Liberal (aka "Progressive") may see as improvement might be entirely different than what a Conservative would see as improvement. Because of this, it's practically impossible to say anything "concrete" about improvement.

[Heracles 417]

It really depends on the person really. Some will change, while others continue to adapt new progressive ideas.

why must it be progressive?

because there is always room for improvement

While I agree that there is "always room for improvement," the improvement in question is entirely subjective. What a Liberal (aka "Progressive") may see as improvement might be entirely different than what a Conservative would see as improvement. Because of this, it's practically impossible to say anything "concrete" about improvement.

Right on. Some view improving this nation and building it up as an improvement. While others view blaming it for the world's problems and forcing it into submission as improvement.

Edited September 14, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It really depends on the person really. Some will change, while others continue to adapt new progressive ideas.

why must it be progressive?

because there is always room for improvement

While I agree that there is "always room for improvement," the improvement in question is entirely subjective. What a Liberal (aka "Progressive") may see as improvement might be entirely different than what a Conservative would see as improvement. Because of this, it's practically impossible to say anything "concrete" about improvement.

Right on. Some view improving this nation and building it up as an improvement. While others view blaming it for the world's problems and forcing it into submission as improvement.

Interesting... You can qualify that statement of course.....

?

[BabyBlueSusie 1]

It really depends on the person really. Some will change, while others continue to adapt new progressive ideas.

why must it be progressive?

because there is always room for improvement

While I agree that there is "always room for improvement," the improvement in question is entirely subjective. What a Liberal (aka "Progressive") may see as improvement might be entirely different than what a Conservative would see as improvement. Because of this, it's practically impossible to say anything "concrete" about improvement.

of course its subjective, i never said that it wasnt...

progressive = creating new ideas

if things arent perfect, then we can make them better, thus we need to change something

thats all i was saying

a conservative viewpoint advocates what in their mind is 'improvement', but it is not progressive, because if they are by definition conservative, then they would advocate the status quo

[Heracles 417]

It really depends on the person really. Some will change, while others continue to adapt new progressive ideas.

why must it be progressive?

because there is always room for improvement

While I agree that there is "always room for improvement," the improvement in question is entirely subjective. What a Liberal (aka "Progressive") may see as improvement might be entirely different than what a Conservative would see as improvement. Because of this, it's practically impossible to say anything "concrete" about improvement.

Right on. Some view improving this nation and building it up as an improvement. While others view blaming it for the world's problems and forcing it into submission as improvement.

Interesting... You can qualify that statement of course.....

?

I am not going to waste my time referencing other people's posts or use google to bring up hundreds of comments from left wing blogs.

Edited September 14, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Caladan 19]

Boo-Yah, this is a stretch, I know, but you could try having a conversation with the people that are here rather than the people who are posting somewhere else. #6 isn't responsible for the entire left wing any more than you're responsible for David Duke.

[Heracles 417]

of course its subjective, i never said that it wasnt...

progressive = creating new ideas

if things arent perfect, then we can make them better, thus we need to change something

thats all i was saying

a conservative viewpoint advocates what in their mind is 'improvement', but it is not progressive, because if they are by definition conservative, then they would advocate the status quo

From my experience in the US, improvement for the left refers to whether something is constitutional or whether lesbian poodles should have the right to marry. Nothing really about improving America as a nation.

The last major infrastructure project undertaken to improve the US was during the Eisenhower era, which was the interstates.

[BabyBlueSusie 1]

It really depends on the person really. Some will change, while others continue to adapt new progressive ideas.

why must it be progressive?

because there is always room for improvement

While I agree that there is "always room for improvement," the improvement in question is entirely subjective. What a Liberal (aka "Progressive") may see as improvement might be entirely different than what a Conservative would see as improvement. Because of this, it's practically impossible to say anything "concrete" about improvement.

Right on. Some view improving this nation and building it up as an improvement. While others view blaming it for the world's problems and forcing it into submission as improvement.

Interesting... You can qualify that statement of course.....

?

I am not going to waste my time referencing other people's posts or use google to bring up hundreds of comments from left wing blogs.

i think youre the only one reading those darn left wing blogs, you seem to talk about them quite often

i can only speak for myself here, but i could also write you off as a 'right wing conservative' if i wanted to, but id rather read what it is you have to say, and hope that you are not just spouting off right wing rhetoric (as it often sounds)...you claim that you've heard it all when it comes to 'lefties', and that they all say the same things...there are two sides to that coin

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It really depends on the person really. Some will change, while others continue to adapt new progressive ideas.

why must it be progressive?

because there is always room for improvement

While I agree that there is "always room for improvement," the improvement in question is entirely subjective. What a Liberal (aka "Progressive") may see as improvement might be entirely different than what a Conservative would see as improvement. Because of this, it's practically impossible to say anything "concrete" about improvement.

Right on. Some view improving this nation and building it up as an improvement. While others view blaming it for the world's problems and forcing it into submission as improvement.

Interesting... You can qualify that statement of course.....

?

I am not going to waste my time referencing other people's posts or use google to bring up hundreds of comments from left wing blogs.

Fair enough. How's about I clarify your statement on 'improving this nation' and 'building it up':

Corporal punishment being meted out in the town square.

Tossing out the national constitution when its stipulates are 'inconvenient'

Its ok to order our military to destroy entire cities as retaliatory acts, in order to prevent terrorism.

"The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it." - Adolf Hitler

Sure. It's Hitler. But I think he's right on the money with that one...

[Heracles 417]

Boo-Yah, this is a stretch, I know, but you could try having a conversation with the people that are here rather than the people who are posting somewhere else. #6 isn't responsible for the entire left wing any more than you're responsible for David Duke.

Many people have insinuated it in VJ as well. I am just not going to waste time retrieving those posts. Some of The_dip_sticks posts in this thread alone are a start though..

Same goes with other posts from Number_6 and co who linked oppression to crime. Yet, as usual, provided no progressive solution to the problem.

[DeadPoolX 9]

It really depends on the person really. Some will change, while others continue to adapt new progressive ideas.

why must it be progressive?

because there is always room for improvement

While I agree that there is "always room for improvement," the improvement in question is entirely subjective. What a Liberal (aka "Progressive") may see as improvement might be entirely different than what a Conservative would see as improvement. Because of this, it's practically impossible to say anything "concrete" about improvement.

of course its subjective, i never said that it wasnt...

progressive = creating new ideas

if things arent perfect, then we can make them better, thus we need to change something

thats all i was saying

a conservative viewpoint advocates what in their mind is 'improvement', but it is not progressive, because if they are by definition conservative, then they would advocate the status quo

Why does it have to be one or the other? I think someone can be a little of both.

Take me, for instance. On social issues and U.S. domestic policy, I'm probably a Liberal/Progressive. However, when it comes to financial issues and U.S. foreign policy, I'm more than likely a Conservative.

What does all of that mean? Well... probably that neither side likes me very much, since I'm not 100% with either of them.

[BabyBlueSusie 1]

From my experience in the US, improvement for the left refers to whether something is constitutional or whether lesbian poodles should have the right to marry. Nothing really about improving America as a nation.

The last major infrastructure project undertaken to improve the US was during the Eisenhower era, which was the interstates.

1- lesbian poodles are people too

2- well heres the thing...the constitution is one thing that, in my opinion, we should remain conservative on

3- republican does not mean conservative and democrat does not mean progressive, even though we often like to think so

4- we are too busy fighting wars to worry about infrastructure...maybe thats something we can actually agree on