McCann Parents Named as Suspects..

[featherB 1]

It is just an impression that I get regarding the mother, that's all. Maybe it is guilt over Madeline (if indeed she was murdered by accident), maybe it is grief. I don't know, but something does still not ring quite true about it all. *shrugs*

'xactly. I agree that there is something that doesn't seem to quite ring true, and hasn't done all along - and that is not the same as saying 'OMG SHE MURDERED HER KID!', for god's sake... like you say, 'maybe it is guilt over Madeleine' - even guilt of the 'we should have checked on her more often, but we didn't' variety, rather than anything more sinister. The 'horrible accident of some sort, followed by desperate cover-up done out of panic and fear (of losing other two children/career/everything)' theory does sound at least plausible (no, that's not an accusation or saying 'she did it!')... every bit as plausible as 'snatched from her bed!' does.

We are ALL entitled to our opinions here and it is perfectly acceptable to speculate.

Perfectly acceptable, yes, and also human nature. Hard not to have at least some thoughts in your head on the matter after 4+ months of media coverage so constant, that it's been impossible to miss even at a distance of several thousand miles...

[Captain Oates 910]

The only "fairness" is investigating in to the cause of the little girls death. If that means questioning the parents, then so be it.

Who died?

[Logres 0]

anyone know of the Azaria Chamberlain case? this is starting to sound awfully like it... mother criticised for leaving the baby, 'blood' (which turned out not to be) found in the car... of course that case ended in false imprisonment for a number of years; let's hope that whatever happens here is at least right and just...

I'm not familar with that case - how was the false imprisonment finally proven?

[Captain Oates 910]

ok let's speculate

She could have been snatched by a fat guy aged 40 with green teeth and wearing a greasy vest. This guy has never had a girlfriend and his mother (who he always lived with) is a desicated shell in a rocking chair up in the loft.

His mother never let him have playmates so he just wanted a little girl to play tiddly-winks with...

She misses her mother but is otherwise fine

He will get caught out when she asks for a doll and he goes to the village on his donkey to buy one...

At this stage, this is as likely as any other speculation

[Logres 0]

ok let's speculate

She could have been snatched by a fat guy aged 40 with green teeth and wearing a greasy vest. This guy has never had a girlfriend and his mother (who he always lived with) is a desicated shell in a rocking chair up in the loft.

His mother never let him have playmates so he just wanted a little girl to play tiddly-winks with...

She misses her mother but is otherwise fine

He will get caught out when she asks for a doll and he goes to the village on his donkey to buy one...

At this stage, this is as likely as any other speculation

Good Point - Well Made!

[Captain Oates 910]

Scenario 2

Knowing they were devout catholics and had attended mass there, the local priest stopped by to invite them to an event at the church. This man had been a priest in New York but his paedophile activities had been so blatant, and with the class action pending, the church in the U.S. sent him back to his native portugal where, it was felt, he would be under closer scrutiny from his fellow countrymen.

Seeing Maddy, he simply fell to the temptations which had always dogged his career and he took her.

The smell of rotting meat that the dog detected was actually a leberwurst that a german guest had left under his bed before the McCanns moved in. The cleaner had removed it the day before. The blood on the wall was caused by the priest's long nails scratching her arm as he took her. The blood in the car boot is a false match caused by contamination of the sample and the extreme heat in the boot and belonged to a Glasweigan called Jim who rented the car before them and had nicked his finger on a beer bottle cap

Maddy is currently kept in the vaults below the church and the priest does not know what to do...

[no name 1]

Scenario 2

Knowing they were devout catholics and had attended mass there, the local priest stopped by to invite them to an event at the church. This man had been a priest in New York but his paedophile activities had been so blatant, and with the class action pending, the church in the U.S. sent him back to his native portugal where, it was felt, he would be under closer scrutiny from his fellow countrymen.

Seeing Maddy, he simply fell to the temptations which had always dogged his career and he took her.

The smell of rotting meat that the dog detected was actually a leberwurst that a german guest had left under his bed before the McCanns moved in. The cleaner had removed it the day before. The blood on the wall was caused by the priest's long nails scratching her arm as he took her. The blood in the car boot is a false match caused by contamination of the sample and the extreme heat in the boot and belonged to a Glasweigan called Jim who rented the car before them and had nicked his finger on a beer bottle cap

Maddy is currently kept in the vaults below the church and the priest does not know what to do...

Now who's mocking it all? Sick.

[Captain Oates 910]

Scenario 2

Knowing they were devout catholics and had attended mass there, the local priest stopped by to invite them to an event at the church. This man had been a priest in New York but his paedophile activities had been so blatant, and with the class action pending, the church in the U.S. sent him back to his native portugal where, it was felt, he would be under closer scrutiny from his fellow countrymen.

Seeing Maddy, he simply fell to the temptations which had always dogged his career and he took her.

The smell of rotting meat that the dog detected was actually a leberwurst that a german guest had left under his bed before the McCanns moved in. The cleaner had removed it the day before. The blood on the wall was caused by the priest's long nails scratching her arm as he took her. The blood in the car boot is a false match caused by contamination of the sample and the extreme heat in the boot and belonged to a Glasweigan called Jim who rented the car before them and had nicked his finger on a beer bottle cap

Maddy is currently kept in the vaults below the church and the priest does not know what to do...

Now who's mocking it all? Sick.

Dont start name calling - its not vj style - if I am factual you dont like it, and if i indulge in wild speculations to show you a wider world, you dont like that either.

Seems that only snide shots at the McCanns are acceptable in this thread and any other posts will result in name calling

ok well its up to you to make the rules apparently, but I tell you what - if I were a moderator I would pull the gratuitus accusations against the McCanns long before I pulled alan's (my) posts...

I think some posters here should stop and think 'what if' they are not guilty - can you imagine what they would feel reading some of the accusations on here ? I bet they would find my wild speculations more acceptable - especially as they were invented in order to try and open some closed minds around here..

My obviously wild scenarios made to prove a point will be far less sick than the 'she looks guilty' stuff if they do turn out to be innocent - we will see who is 'sick' then !

[no name 1]

Scenario 2

Knowing they were devout catholics and had attended mass there, the local priest stopped by to invite them to an event at the church. This man had been a priest in New York but his paedophile activities had been so blatant, and with the class action pending, the church in the U.S. sent him back to his native portugal where, it was felt, he would be under closer scrutiny from his fellow countrymen.

Seeing Maddy, he simply fell to the temptations which had always dogged his career and he took her.

The smell of rotting meat that the dog detected was actually a leberwurst that a german guest had left under his bed before the McCanns moved in. The cleaner had removed it the day before. The blood on the wall was caused by the priest's long nails scratching her arm as he took her. The blood in the car boot is a false match caused by contamination of the sample and the extreme heat in the boot and belonged to a Glasweigan called Jim who rented the car before them and had nicked his finger on a beer bottle cap

Maddy is currently kept in the vaults below the church and the priest does not know what to do...

Now who's mocking it all? Sick.

Dont start name calling - its not vj style - if I am factual you dont like it, and if i indulge in wild speculations to show you a wider world, you dont like that either.

Seems that only snide shots at the McCanns are acceptable in this thread and any other posts will result in name calling

ok well its up to you to make the rules apparently, but I tell you what - if I were a moderator I would pull the gratuitus accusations against the McCanns long before I pulled alan's (my) posts...

I think some posters here should stop and think 'what if' they are not guilty - can you imagine what they would feel reading some of the accusations on here ? I bet they would find my wild speculations more acceptable - especially as they were invented in order to try and open some closed minds around here..

My obviously wild scenarios made to prove a point will be far less sick than the 'she looks guilty' stuff if they do turn out to be innocent - we will see who is 'sick' then !

For the millionth time, no has said they are guilty. Stop twisting the words.

[featherB 1]

I think some posters here should stop and think 'what if' they are not guilty - can you imagine what they would feel reading some of the accusations on here ? I bet they would find my wild speculations more acceptable - especially as they were invented in order to try and open some closed minds around here..

WHAT accusations? Nobody is accusing them of anything... oh, anything other than having left their very young children alone while they went out to dinner. True, that 'accusation' is there, but they're not denying that they did that. But regardless, I somehow doubt that the musings of total strangers on an internet talkboard will be figuring very highly in their concerns.

[Logres 0]

Dont start name calling - its not vj style - if I am factual you dont like it, and if i indulge in wild speculations to show you a wider world, you dont like that either.

Seems that only snide shots at the McCanns are acceptable in this thread and any other posts will result in name calling

ok well its up to you to make the rules apparently, but I tell you what - if I were a moderator I would pull the gratuitus accusations against the McCanns long before I pulled alan's (my) posts...

I think some posters here should stop and think 'what if' they are not guilty - can you imagine what they would feel reading some of the accusations on here ? I bet they would find my wild speculations more acceptable - especially as they were invented in order to try and open some closed minds around here..

My obviously wild scenarios made to prove a point will be far less sick than the 'she looks guilty' stuff if they do turn out to be innocent - we will see who is 'sick' then !

What 'facts' have you actually added to the discussion?

[Captain Oates 910]

For the millionth time, no has said they are guilty. Stop twisting the words.

If I could be bothered I would go and cut some quotes from the start of this thread but I can't - they are there to be seen.

I tell you this though - I was a 'REAL' detective for 6 years from 1969 and a prerequisite for that job is a very open mind because real life is much weirder than any fiction you or I could write.

Whenever I see closed minds and feeble accusations and assumptions based on personal demeanour and pure wrong facts (the blood was in the car they hired before the event) - it makes me despair of the mentallity of the general public. I know vj IS the general public with all it's variations so it is to be expected.

The people attacking the home of a 'paediatrician' sums it up...

Go check out the first few posts if you don't believe me.

Travelling 4,000 miles to America will not broaden some people's minds by a millimetre...

It will broaden their bottoms though

this is not aimed at you by the way - I dont think you made the posts that rattled my cage...alan

[Captain Oates 910]

What 'facts' have you actually added to the discussion?

Well I defined 'murder' for a start . People were struggling with the legal definition of what constituted murder so I provided it - did you miss that ? Why ? I put it in red for you ....

Edited September 13, 2007 by saywhat

[featherB 1]

The people attacking the home of a 'paediatrician' sums it up...

Yes, everyone knows about that very famous incident - quite why you're bringing it up to chastise people for having such very poor taste as to allow themselves to wonder about, and question, what we're being told about this case... nope, I don't know. Oh yeah, that's right, everyone on this thread was in danger of trying to get a lynch mob of some sort together, that was it - until you came along to set things straight.

You mention people on this thread having 'closed minds'. Why would that be?

[Lansbury 19]

For the millionth time, no has said they are guilty. Stop twisting the words.

I tell you this though - I was a 'REAL' detective for 6 years from 1969 and a prerequisite for that job is a very open mind because real life is much weirder than any fiction you or I could write.

Now elsewhere you said you were a police officer for 6 years. So what 2 years probation and then a TDC and then a substantive detective.

As to an open mind in those days CID was one of the most corrupt things it was ever my misfortune to come across.