Fred Thompson "Doesn't Know The Details" Of Bush's Social Security Plan, But He's For It

[GaryC 7]

He will get the nomination. I trust Fred much more than Mrs Scandal. Wait and see, he just announced yesterday.

You're that certain or what do you think he must do in order to grab the nomination? In other words, do you think it's necessary for him to debate with the other Republican candidates?

He will. Just because he skipped the one yesterday doesn't mean he will not debate. The rassmussen poll has him only one point behind Giuliani right now.

[mawilson 2,133]

HILLARY ON SOCIAL SECURITY

From NBC's Andy Merten and Mark Murray

After hitting the campaign trail in New Hampshire and Iowa with her husband over the Labor Day weekend, Hillary Clinton returned to Washington today addressing the Alliance for Retired Americans today. She stuck mostly to her standard stump speech after taking stage and finding the podium rushed by enthusiastic senior citizens wielding digital cameras. “I see a lot of fellow baby boomers, and we’re all thinking about the problems we’ll confront,” Clinton said.

She focused heavily on the issues of Medicare and Social Security, saying, “Now you don’t have to worry –- when I’m president, privatization is off the table." Clinton added that reducing benefits and raising the retirement age is not the answer. “We need to get back to the fiscal responsibility that we had in the 1990s,” she added. (If reducing benefits or raising the retirement age isn't the answer to making the system solvent, then what is -- raising taxes?)

While Clinton made a point to draw upon nostalgic pictures of the time the former President Clinton spent in office, she only mentioned him directly once. “When my husband left office, we had a secure Social Security system until 2055, and then, all of a sudden, the Bush Administration took us back into deficits.”

Wait a second: Is that right? A 2001 Social Security Board of Trustees report said the program would remain solvent until 2038, not 2055. The Clinton campaign has yet to respond to messages First Read left seeking comment.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200.../04/344805.aspx

Sounds reasonable, actually.

"Privatization is off the table" - that's a good thing, right?

But seriously, what else is there except raising SS taxes? In fact, they don't even have to raise them -

they can keep them at the same level and simply get rid of the $97,500 cap.

[GaryC 7]

HILLARY ON SOCIAL SECURITY

From NBC's Andy Merten and Mark Murray

After hitting the campaign trail in New Hampshire and Iowa with her husband over the Labor Day weekend, Hillary Clinton returned to Washington today addressing the Alliance for Retired Americans today. She stuck mostly to her standard stump speech after taking stage and finding the podium rushed by enthusiastic senior citizens wielding digital cameras. “I see a lot of fellow baby boomers, and we’re all thinking about the problems we’ll confront,” Clinton said.

She focused heavily on the issues of Medicare and Social Security, saying, “Now you don’t have to worry –- when I’m president, privatization is off the table." Clinton added that reducing benefits and raising the retirement age is not the answer. “We need to get back to the fiscal responsibility that we had in the 1990s,” she added. (If reducing benefits or raising the retirement age isn't the answer to making the system solvent, then what is -- raising taxes?)

While Clinton made a point to draw upon nostalgic pictures of the time the former President Clinton spent in office, she only mentioned him directly once. “When my husband left office, we had a secure Social Security system until 2055, and then, all of a sudden, the Bush Administration took us back into deficits.”

Wait a second: Is that right? A 2001 Social Security Board of Trustees report said the program would remain solvent until 2038, not 2055. The Clinton campaign has yet to respond to messages First Read left seeking comment.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200.../04/344805.aspx

Sounds reasonable, actually.

"Privatization is off the table" - that's a good thing, right?

But seriously, what else is there except raising SS taxes? In fact, they don't even have to raise them -

they can keep them at the same level and simply get rid of the $97,500 cap.

No, privatization is a real way to solve the problem. If the SS taxes I paid in so far were invested in a 401K I would have millions in it by now. The SS is a boondogle and it needs to be scrapped.

[almaty 19]

Fred photo makes him look like Yertle the turtle

[mawilson 2,133]

No, privatization is a real way to solve the problem. If the SS taxes I paid in so far were invested in a 401K I would have millions in it by now. The SS is a boondogle and it needs to be scrapped.

Absolutely true, but you didn't invest it in mutual funds, did you? You paid it in in SS taxes,

hoping that when you retire, someone else's taxes would pay for your retirement.

What do you think would happen if SS was privatized tomorrow? You don't think you would

lose all that money that you had paid in over the years and end up with nothing, in

exchange for some lame tax-free "catch-up" scheme?

I agree that young people would be ok, but what about 50- and 60-year-olds?

[no name 1]

You're that certain or what do you think he must do in order to grab the nomination? In other words, do you think it's necessary for him to debate with the other Republican candidates?

He will. Just because he skipped the one yesterday doesn't mean he will not debate. The rassmussen poll has him only one point behind Giuliani right now.

Yet has hasn't spoken about his true stance on any single issue, any time! (See yesterday's posts & earlier today).

Gary if you want to continue the debate, use her real name. Your name calling really cheapens your points.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You're that certain or what do you think he must do in order to grab the nomination? In other words, do you think it's necessary for him to debate with the other Republican candidates?

He will. Just because he skipped the one yesterday doesn't mean he will not debate. The rassmussen poll has him only one point behind Giuliani right now.

Yet has hasn't spoken about his true stance on any single issue, any time! (See yesterday's posts & earlier today).

Gary if you want to continue the debate, use her real name. Your name calling really cheapens your points.

[GaryC 7]

You're that certain or what do you think he must do in order to grab the nomination? In other words, do you think it's necessary for him to debate with the other Republican candidates?

He will. Just because he skipped the one yesterday doesn't mean he will not debate. The rassmussen poll has him only one point behind Giuliani right now.

Yet has hasn't spoken about his true stance on any single issue, any time! (See yesterday's posts & earlier today).

Gary if you want to continue the debate, use her real name. Your name calling really cheapens your points.

Live with it.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

You're that certain or what do you think he must do in order to grab the nomination? In other words, do you think it's necessary for him to debate with the other Republican candidates?

He will. Just because he skipped the one yesterday doesn't mean he will not debate. The rassmussen poll has him only one point behind Giuliani right now.

Yet has hasn't spoken about his true stance on any single issue, any time! (See yesterday's posts & earlier today).

Gary if you want to continue the debate, use her real name. Your name calling really cheapens your points.

Live with it.

kinda like this one?

It was lowered by the IDIOT in office now, you chopfcuk. I forget the Republicans are not as smart as the Dems - they need it spelled out.

[no name 1]

You're that certain or what do you think he must do in order to grab the nomination? In other words, do you think it's necessary for him to debate with the other Republican candidates?

He will. Just because he skipped the one yesterday doesn't mean he will not debate. The rassmussen poll has him only one point behind Giuliani right now.

Yet has hasn't spoken about his true stance on any single issue, any time! (See yesterday's posts & earlier today).

Gary if you want to continue the debate, use her real name. Your name calling really cheapens your points.

Live with it.

kinda like this one?

It was lowered by the IDIOT in office now, you chopfcuk. I forget the Republicans are not as smart as the Dems - they need it spelled out.

One post - out of many. Not 3 separate topics.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

You're that certain or what do you think he must do in order to grab the nomination? In other words, do you think it's necessary for him to debate with the other Republican candidates?

He will. Just because he skipped the one yesterday doesn't mean he will not debate. The rassmussen poll has him only one point behind Giuliani right now.

Yet has hasn't spoken about his true stance on any single issue, any time! (See yesterday's posts & earlier today).

Gary if you want to continue the debate, use her real name. Your name calling really cheapens your points.

Live with it.

kinda like this one?

It was lowered by the IDIOT in office now, you chopfcuk. I forget the Republicans are not as smart as the Dems - they need it spelled out.

One post - out of many. Not 3 separate topics.

oh it must be ok then, right?

[mawilson 2,133]

I'm still waiting for Gary's explanation of how privatization is going to solve all our problems...

[Jasman0717 9]

Sure wish there was some way to take away Congress's retirement benefits and make them go on social security, then maybe bozos like Fred would learn more about the God-damn details. I am really going to be pissed if I can't get my social security benefits when I retire

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Sure wish there was some way to take away Congress's retirement benefits and make them go on social security, then maybe bozos like Fred would learn more about the God-damn details. I am really going to be pissed if I can't get my social security benefits when I retire

Amen, brother.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Bush's plan ain't gonna happen - not now and not later. But it arguably helped him get elected.

That's all Fred is looking for. Why would he bother with the details of a plan that ain't gonna materialize?

Edited September 8, 2007 by Mr. Big Dog