Dog fighting the norm in the south

[no name 1]

This whole Vick thing is really dumb, if you ask me. No dog is worth ruining a person's life for.

They should have just fined him and told him not to do that again.

He committed a crime, he has to do the time.

He bankrolled interstate dogfighting & drowned or hung dogs that didn't 'perform'. He deserves every penalty he gets.

[mawilson 2,133]

When his coach and the NFL asked him about it, prior to any formal charges, he denied any involvement. That was really dumb.

I love my dog. I hope he rots in jail for years.

Did he kill your dog?

[russ 1]

Did he kill your dog?

Thank god he didn't. Otherwise, I would probably be looking at a stint in prison.

[Mononoke28 135]

I have a friend who owns 2 pit bulls, actually she had 3 but one of them died, and they are the most gentle and sweet dogs I have ever seen. Dog aggresiveness is definitely instilled by the owners which is shame.

Diana

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Are Pit Bulls that much more dangerous than attack dogs such as Rottweilers & German Shepherd, or is it a case of “no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners?

BOTH SAYS THE RSPCA. Paul Edwards.

Pit Bulls were breed from Staffordshire Bull Terriers & Bull Mastiffs - Not to guard, or hunt, but to viciously rip other dogs to death in pits while their bloodthirsty owners cheered.

“They can literally sever limbs,” the RSPCAs, Paul Edwards said.

Unlike German Shepherds, which lock their jaws, Pit Bulls move their back molars once they have bitten. Their lower jaw scissors back & forth to sever flesh from the bone.

They are not large dogs, but they have an enormous power-to-weight ratio. Their jaw strength is far greater than any other dog.

A Rottweiler will exert 800 pounds-per-square-inch jaw pressure and a Bull Terrier will exert 1200psi. A Pit Bull will exert more than 2000 psi.

You can have savage Labradors and savage Chihuahuas, but none of them has the potential to maim & kill that a pit bull does.

42% of all dog related deaths in the US are from Pit Bulls - & they constitute 1% of all dogs. 70% of those deaths were children.

A Rotty or Doberman are savage because they are territorial - they will defend their space. A Pit Bull is not savage in that sense-just unpredictable.

But underlying this ferocity is an overwhelming loyalty to their owners. Dog breeders & Trainers claim they are one of the most loyal breeds of dogs.

Even as much as traditionally loyal dogs such as Border Collies.

“They are the most loyal & courageous dog imaginable for their owners,” Mr. Edwards said.

“But they are entirely unpredictable around strangers.”

http://www.edba.org.au/courier.html

[Stabu 0]

He committed a crime, he has to do the time.

He bankrolled interstate dogfighting & drowned or hung dogs that didn't 'perform'. He deserves every penalty he gets.

This is again a question where the two issues should be separated.

1) There is the issue if a person should be sentenced to jail according to what the law says. If you want to support the current laws (or the rule of law in general) the person who commits the crime should go to jail no matter how ridiculous the laws are.

2) The other issue is if the law is just at all and if his punishment was just - was the penalty really deserved.

[Mags 112]

I have a friend who owns 2 pit bulls, actually she had 3 but one of them died, and they are the most gentle and sweet dogs I have ever seen. Dog aggresiveness is definitely instilled by the owners which is shame.

Diana

I agree completely.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

mawilson,

I agree with you completely. To destroy a mans life over a fukcing animal is retarded.

[russ 1]

42% of all dog related deaths in the US are from Pit Bulls - & they constitute 1% of all dogs. 70% of those deaths were children.

Without a citation of where this statistic comes from, I don't believe it. I am guessing AKC registrations, which is not a good source. The vast majority of pet dogs are not AKC registered. If you go by this as a source, the foxhound is all but extinct.

Large breeds will cause more deaths because of their size alone. Guess what? 2 year old children do not belong around 100 lb dogs. No more than they should be playing with elephants. Both parents and dog owners should know better.

I think that pitbulls constitute far more than 1% of US purebred dogs.

Also, this statistic is about deaths, not bites. Dog bites cause serious, non fatal injuries to children, and most of these injuries are not from pitbulls. Dogs are probably the largest source of serious injuries to children, and blaming pitbulls is ignoring a far larger problem.

[mawilson 2,133]

42% of all dog related deaths in the US are from Pit Bulls - & they constitute 1% of all dogs. 70% of those deaths were children.

Without a citation of where this statistic comes from, I don't believe it.

Oh dear - this is eerily reminiscent of the "black people commit 90% of the crimes" thread.

Which part do you find so hard to believe? That 42% of all dog-related deaths in the US

are from pit bulls? Or that pit bulls constitute 1% of all dogs? Or that 70% of those deaths

were children?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

42% of all dog related deaths in the US are from Pit Bulls - & they constitute 1% of all dogs. 70% of those deaths were children.

Without a citation of where this statistic comes from, I don't believe it. I am guessing AKC registrations, which is not a good source. The vast majority of pet dogs are not AKC registered. If you go by this as a source, the foxhound is all but extinct.

Large breeds will cause more deaths because of their size alone. Guess what? 2 year old children do not belong around 100 lb dogs. No more than they should be playing with elephants. Both parents and dog owners should know better.

I think that pitbulls constitute far more than 1% of US purebred dogs.

Also, this statistic is about deaths, not bites. Dog bites cause serious, non fatal injuries to children, and most of these injuries are not from pitbulls. Dogs are probably the largest source of serious injuries to children, and blaming pitbulls is ignoring a far larger problem.

From what I understand about Pit Bulls ... enormous jaw strength with the capacity to severe limbs combined with unpredictable behavior. That should be cause for alarm, irrespective of other dog breeds. Those two characteristics, IMO, should be bred out of the Pit Bull if people wish the breed to continue in existence.

[no name 1]

42% of all dog related deaths in the US are from Pit Bulls - & they constitute 1% of all dogs. 70% of those deaths were children.

Without a citation of where this statistic comes from, I don't believe it. I am guessing AKC registrations, which is not a good source. The vast majority of pet dogs are not AKC registered. If you go by this as a source, the foxhound is all but extinct.

Large breeds will cause more deaths because of their size alone. Guess what? 2 year old children do not belong around 100 lb dogs. No more than they should be playing with elephants. Both parents and dog owners should know better.

I think that pitbulls constitute far more than 1% of US purebred dogs.

Also, this statistic is about deaths, not bites. Dog bites cause serious, non fatal injuries to children, and most of these injuries are not from pitbulls. Dogs are probably the largest source of serious injuries to children, and blaming pitbulls is ignoring a far larger problem.

Did you miss this post?

Pitbulls bite people fairly rarely though, and they are a fairly common breed in the US.

The most frequent attacks are from German Shepherd Dogs and Chows. Since the don't look as scary or get reported on the evening news, no one talks about banning Chows though.

In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[

T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998.

It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and,

thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities."

The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA.

Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. Since 1975, fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.

source

[pedroh 21]

well, i think mawilson has a point.. yeah, the main issue with this dogfighting thing was the torture, more than the act itself.. the dogfighting is punishable because is illegal, the way of disposing the dogs, thats what sounds barbaric, to imagine someone drowning to death or electrocuting an almost dying dog, it's plain barbaric..

but other than that, would people have reacted different it if it were, bullfighting, or cockfighting? Would PETA had reacted that way if VIck had tortured fighting cocks instead of dogs? or, i dunno, horses, or some other non-common fighting animal?

[russ 1]

Oh dear - this is eerily reminiscent of the "black people commit 90% of the crimes" thread.

Which part do you find so hard to believe? That 42% of all dog-related deaths in the US

are from pit bulls? Or that pit bulls constitute 1% of all dogs? Or that 70% of those deaths

were children?

That they are 1% of purebred dogs. I don't think that reliable data are kept. That's what I meant, which is why I put it in bold.

And I have read that rottwielers kill more people from many sources.

Statistics are meaningless unless they are both specific, and cite sources.

[no name 1]

thats what sounds barbaric, to imagine someone drowning to death or electrocuting an almost dying dog, it's plain barbaric..

um, they weren't dying, they just didn't PERFORM well.