Evidence

[Fettman 0]

Hey all,

Question about evidence, I am curious as to what you all provided as proof of relationship and proof of seeing each other in the past two years. Yes, I have read the guide, I just want to make sure I have enough items.

As to what I am thinking:

Proof of relationship:

Cell phone bills that clearly state day and time as well as destination, in this case Germany.

Chat logs that have day and time.

Copies of Christmas and Birthday cards as well as anything handwritten I have from her.

Pictures of us together, obviously in Berlin, Germany.

I could add to that emails from the past 6 years if you all think that will help. The thing is that for the past year we stopped emailing and only chat since the time difference is not too bad now and we like it better than just emails. I could also have use write a very loving emails over the next week or so, if you all think that will help.

Proof of seeing each other in the past two years:

Pictures of us together in Berlin

Stamps in my passport that show the date when I entered Germany

My airline receipt that shows my itinerary with dates and times as well as my bank account statement that shows the exact same amount being deducted.

So, if you all have anything to add, I would love the suggestions. Thanks!

- Steven

[visceral image 0]

I would add any receipts you may have gotten during your visit to Berlin, maybe receipts for money exchange, receipts for a motel, receipts for visiting the museum, etc.

[Fettman 0]

I would add any receipts you may have gotten during your visit to Berlin, maybe receipts for money exchange, receipts for a motel, receipts for visiting the museum, etc.

Good idea, I have some of those, even some tickets for the underground there. They do not all have the date and time on them though, but I think that they will help.

[visceral image 0]

Maybe I am a bit #######, but I try to think of all the ways they might refuse my application. It is not hard to fake photos and emails; so I want to include tons of evidence of all types to show that we met, had time together, etc.

[Fettman 0]

Maybe I am a bit #######, but I try to think of all the ways they might refuse my application. It is not hard to fake photos and emails; so I want to include tons of evidence of all types to show that we met, had time together, etc.

Well, the tickets and such I have do not have a clear date on them, but they are obviously real and from Berlin, especially the U-bahn tickets. For the I-129F I should just include copies of my evidence and send Liliana the originals right?

[visceral image 0]

Maybe I am a bit #######, but I try to think of all the ways they might refuse my application. It is not hard to fake photos and emails; so I want to include tons of evidence of all types to show that we met, had time together, etc.

Well, the tickets and such I have do not have a clear date on them, but they are obviously real and from Berlin, especially the U-bahn tickets. For the I-129F I should just include copies of my evidence and send Liliana the originals right?

correct, copies in the 129-F and the original 129-F packet to her before interview

[Fettman 0]

Maybe I am a bit #######, but I try to think of all the ways they might refuse my application. It is not hard to fake photos and emails; so I want to include tons of evidence of all types to show that we met, had time together, etc.

Well, the tickets and such I have do not have a clear date on them, but they are obviously real and from Berlin, especially the U-bahn tickets. For the I-129F I should just include copies of my evidence and send Liliana the originals right?

correct, copies in the 129-F and the original 129-F packet to her before interview

You are right about faking stuff, but I think in this day and age one could fake anything ;-) , but I take your advice to heart. So, I guess I should include stuff I have from the past six years as well? I have a stack of emails, and I mean a real stack :-).

[visceral image 0]

I would certainly include some emails to show the length of the relationship; but I would not go overboard. I would prefer to see many different types of evidence, not a stack of one type.

[Fettman 0]

I would certainly include some emails to show the length of the relationship; but I would not go overboard. I would prefer to see many different types of evidence, not a stack of one type.

Yeah, I agree, a sampling to me makes much more sense. As for the stamps in my passport, it is in my old passport, which I just got renewed, would it make sense to send Liliana the canceled passport as a part of the original evidence?

[visceral image 0]

I would certainly include some emails to show the length of the relationship; but I would not go overboard. I would prefer to see many different types of evidence, not a stack of one type.

Yeah, I agree, a sampling to me makes much more sense. As for the stamps in my passport, it is in my old passport, which I just got renewed, would it make sense to send Liliana the canceled passport as a part of the original evidence?

No, copies of the passport will be better; better to not have the questions as to why she has your passport and stuff (even if it is an expired one)

[Fettman 0]

I would certainly include some emails to show the length of the relationship; but I would not go overboard. I would prefer to see many different types of evidence, not a stack of one type.

Yeah, I agree, a sampling to me makes much more sense. As for the stamps in my passport, it is in my old passport, which I just got renewed, would it make sense to send Liliana the canceled passport as a part of the original evidence?

No, copies of the passport will be better; better to not have the questions as to why she has your passport and stuff (even if it is an expired one)

Ok, I can agree with that ;-). I would not want our jokes about being spies to come true...

[Satellite 1]

It is not hard to fake photos and emails

You are right about faking stuff, but I think in this day and age one could fake anything ;-)

Plenty of folks have faked this entire process to get immigrations benefits. Just look at how many times just on VJ someone who was happy a year or two ago screams "she scammed me". So use your judgment in the evidence gathering. You don't need much. Go overboard only if you get an RFE for lack of evidence. People have gotten away with the bear minimum when it comes to evidence (1 photo, 1 passport stamp, and 1 boarding pass). Remember, they do the judging of relationship at the consulate interview, AOS in the states, and finally at lifting conditions. There are more built in reviews as the benefits increase.

[visceral image 0]

Go overboard only if you get an RFE for lack of evidence.

Why take the chance and delay this painful process any more than necessary. An RFE will delay you at least a week or more.

[Satellite 1]

Why take the chance and delay this painful process any more than necessary. An RFE will delay you at least a week or more.

Because (1) based on personal experience only minimum evidence is required (2) if you delay the filing of your I-129F by several weeks because you went overboard to begin the process you will actually lose more time.

The goal is to start the process. At least in 2004 when I was filing the wait was 150 to 180 days before any action was taken on my I-129F. A lot of us were dumping bare minimum petition just to get put in the queue and then took the time to prepare more evidence in case an RFE was requested and were able to respond immediately. Although a lot of us were scared that the entire petition would be sent back if we went with almost nothing at all.

It's your peace of mind. I always slept better with a NOA1 in hand than rather wasting weeks gathering evidence.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

My opinion, you have plenty. It's almost overkill!