Mom lets 5-year-old drive

[Peikko 1,575]

As for this idea that the inevitable consequence of women working is a smaller and smaller amount of time being spent with the children compared with the early 20th century, again, it's a delusion. Actually, I think children are 'valued' more today than they were in the late 19th and early 20th century, for all kinds of reasons.

But, still and yet, I still don't see where you are going with all this even if I were to suddenly accept your hypothosis that parenting is not worth a damm today. You are not going to create better parents by 'lashing' parents who do idiotic things. You are not going to improve society by re-introducing coroporal punishment. You might improve society if poverty didn't play such a damaging role in the lives of a proportion of society. You might improve things if it were possible to somehow reduce the number of people who made bad decisions. It might help things if those who suffer from psychological and psychiactric illnesses could be treated more successfully.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Given the appeals processes on death row to (theoretically) ensure that an innocent person isn't executed, its hard to see how judicially imposed Corporal Punishment would even be workable without significantly scaling back people's human rights.

Its barbaric IMO, but well in line with countries whose regimes are universally condemned, and a stupid idea for all that.

[Caladan 19]

As for this idea that the inevitable consequence of women working is a smaller and smaller amount of time being spent with the children compared with the early 20th century, again, it's a delusion. Actually, I think children are 'valued' more today than they were in the late 19th and early 20th century, for all kinds of reasons.

But, still and yet, I still don't see where you are going with all this even if I were to suddenly accept your hypothosis that parenting is not worth a damm today. You are not going to create better parents by 'lashing' parents who do idiotic things. You are not going to improve society by re-introducing coroporal punishment. You might improve society if poverty didn't play such a damaging role in the lives of a proportion of society. You might improve things if it were possible to somehow reduce the number of people who made bad decisions. It might help things if those who suffer from psychological and psychiactric illnesses could be treated more successfully.

I read somewhere once that the number of children being raised in single-parent homes has actually decreased since the turn of the last century. I wish I could remember the citation.

Lots more accidents down in the mines or at the factory or deaths in childbirth leaving children to be raised by one parent. The occasional war, where dear old daddy was off for years at a time with little more than a letter every couple of months. Both parents (working class families usually have both parents working -- mom staying home is a middle-to-upper class ideal) working.

[pedroh 21]

I am quite sure that you witness bad/irresponsible parenting from time to time, maybe even often. However, corporal punishment is definitely not good parenting and will not miraculously solve behavioural problems.

I am not at all certain that there is a 'crisis' with regards parenting either. Yes, I have seen kids that are allowed to 'run amok' from time to time but most don't because they are being brought up by responsible parents. The media loves this kind of story, personally, I don't see it as newsworthy at all.

PS Where did you see a proposal of beating up kids?

Corporal punishment is?????

Where do you see the word kids in corporal punishment??? Corporal punishment is great for adult repeat offenders.

Looks like there's something we agree on lol.. my generation was spanked, and our folks used their belts.. none of my friends or I grew up to be arseholes like these parents.. sometimes when I see my wife's kids @ HS (she's a teacher), they are a bunch of brats, instead of 'counseling', or 'parenting sessions', they just need a good slap in the effin mouth, and a 'are you fukcin serious? grow up!"

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I am quite sure that you witness bad/irresponsible parenting from time to time, maybe even often. However, corporal punishment is definitely not good parenting and will not miraculously solve behavioural problems.

I am not at all certain that there is a 'crisis' with regards parenting either. Yes, I have seen kids that are allowed to 'run amok' from time to time but most don't because they are being brought up by responsible parents. The media loves this kind of story, personally, I don't see it as newsworthy at all.

PS Where did you see a proposal of beating up kids?

Corporal punishment is?????

Where do you see the word kids in corporal punishment??? Corporal punishment is great for adult repeat offenders.

Looks like there's something we agree on lol.. my generation was spanked, and our folks used their belts.. none of my friends or I grew up to be arseholes like these parents.. sometimes when I see my wife's kids @ HS (she's a teacher), they are a bunch of brats, instead of 'counseling', or 'parenting sessions', they just need a good slap in the effin mouth, and a 'are you fukcin serious? grow up!"

I think he's suggesting corporal punishment being meted out by the courts. That's a whole other game IMO.

[Peikko 1,575]

Doesn't work for kids either. Bashing them instead of teaching them values/right from wrong is a very poor substitution. If a kid understands why what they do is wrong (education) and the consequence of doing something wrong is consistant and not to their liking (taking away their favourite activities for an appropriate period of time normally works) they do learn not to make the poor choices. It might take a little more effort on the part of the parent (good parenting) than getting out the belt, but it is much more effective.

[Peikko 1,575]

First hand experience of being at the hands of a bully does far more to incite violence than watching a bunch of inappropriate tv.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

First hand experience of being at the hands of a bully does far more to incite violence than watching a bunch of inappropriate tv.

Agreed.

[Heracles 417]

I am quite sure that you witness bad/irresponsible parenting from time to time, maybe even often. However, corporal punishment is definitely not good parenting and will not miraculously solve behavioural problems.

I am not at all certain that there is a 'crisis' with regards parenting either. Yes, I have seen kids that are allowed to 'run amok' from time to time but most don't because they are being brought up by responsible parents. The media loves this kind of story, personally, I don't see it as newsworthy at all.

PS Where did you see a proposal of beating up kids?

Corporal punishment is?????

Where do you see the word kids in corporal punishment??? Corporal punishment is great for adult repeat offenders.

Looks like there's something we agree on lol.. my generation was spanked, and our folks used their belts.. none of my friends or I grew up to be arseholes like these parents.. sometimes when I see my wife's kids @ HS (she's a teacher), they are a bunch of brats, instead of 'counseling', or 'parenting sessions', they just need a good slap in the effin mouth, and a 'are you fukcin serious? grow up!"

Exactly. My folks dared me to disrespect the teacher.. Nowadays so many parents are trying to be a kids friend, which is a failed concept. Kids have friends. They need role models. They need actual parents..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I am quite sure that you witness bad/irresponsible parenting from time to time, maybe even often. However, corporal punishment is definitely not good parenting and will not miraculously solve behavioural problems.

I am not at all certain that there is a 'crisis' with regards parenting either. Yes, I have seen kids that are allowed to 'run amok' from time to time but most don't because they are being brought up by responsible parents. The media loves this kind of story, personally, I don't see it as newsworthy at all.

PS Where did you see a proposal of beating up kids?

Corporal punishment is?????

Where do you see the word kids in corporal punishment??? Corporal punishment is great for adult repeat offenders.

Looks like there's something we agree on lol.. my generation was spanked, and our folks used their belts.. none of my friends or I grew up to be arseholes like these parents.. sometimes when I see my wife's kids @ HS (she's a teacher), they are a bunch of brats, instead of 'counseling', or 'parenting sessions', they just need a good slap in the effin mouth, and a 'are you fukcin serious? grow up!"

Exactly. My folks dared me to disrespect the teacher.. Nowadays so many parents are trying to be a kids friend, which is a failed concept. Kids have friends. They need role models. They need actual parents..

Some are more 'liberal' with the belt than others. Again - I know plenty of parents who abhor corporal punishment, and instead find other ways to discipline their children; including taking away their privileges. I don't see their kids acting up...

These days I'm more inclined to respect a parent who can actually exercise a measure of restraint, rather than lashing out with their fists in anger.

[Heracles 417]

Doesn't work for kids either. Bashing them instead of teaching them values/right from wrong is a very poor substitution. If a kid understands why what they do is wrong (education) and the consequence of doing something wrong is consistant and not to their liking (taking away their favourite activities for an appropriate period of time normally works) they do learn not to make the poor choices. It might take a little more effort on the part of the parent (good parenting) than getting out the belt, but it is much more effective.

No one is talking about bashing a child. It is about teaching a child consequences for their actions. I would like to see how you would educate a kids who is bullying or threatening you.

PS Teachers are not allowed to do what you suggested anymore. I have a good friend who is a teacher here and she said because of a parent producing some sort of legislation they are no long allowed to take lunch away because it is mandated. They cannot give detentions. They obviously cannot physically handle the kid. So what can they do to a trouble maker?

Just the other week I read an article where they had to shut down an elementary school in Sydney because the kids rioted..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Doesn't work for kids either. Bashing them instead of teaching them values/right from wrong is a very poor substitution. If a kid understands why what they do is wrong (education) and the consequence of doing something wrong is consistant and not to their liking (taking away their favourite activities for an appropriate period of time normally works) they do learn not to make the poor choices. It might take a little more effort on the part of the parent (good parenting) than getting out the belt, but it is much more effective.

No one is talking about bashing a child. It is about teaching a child consequences for their actions. I would like to see how you would educate a kids who is bullying or threatening you.

PS Teachers are not allowed to do what you suggested anymore. I have a good friend who is a teacher here and she said because of a parent producing some sort of legislation they are no long allowed to take lunch away because it is mandated. They cannot give detentions. They obviously cannot physically handle the kid. So what can they do to a trouble maker?

Just the other week I read an article where they had to shut down an elementary school in Sydney because the kids rioted..

I just find it rather spurious that you, a man without kids (and therefore no direct experience of child-raising) are making these explicit claims suggesting that you know how to better bring up children than people who do. Seems rather arrogant to me.

And again - you brought up corporal punishment, though your rationale for it seems to change with every post.

[eric&gen 0]

Hope the mother had GEICO insurance lol.

[Peikko 1,575]

Why would a teacher want to take away lunch? That's just crazy. However, there are many 'privelages' within schools that can be withheld when a child misbehaves.

It is of course very true, that if a parent does not understand how to teach their child right from wrong, it is going to cause problems within a school as well as in the home. However, what you are suggesting seems to be, that these parents simply administer a good slap every time their child misbehaves. Clearly, that's not going to teach the child anything except that their parent resorts to violence when things go wrong. That isn't exactly an educational tool.

Sadly, there is no simple solution to the 'small' percentage of parents who are not capable of bringing up their children to understand rules and appropriate behaviour.

Threatening a bully with violence or actual caning, whipping or any other physical punishment is simply going to teach them that violence is an appropriate response, which isn't a sensible message for a bully.

[russ 1]

Some are more 'liberal' with the belt than others. Again - I know plenty of parents who abhor corporal punishment, and instead find other ways to discipline their children; including taking away their privileges. I don't see their kids acting up...

These days I'm more inclined to respect a parent who can actually exercise a measure of restraint, rather than lashing out with their fists in anger.

Fear was far more effective for my dad. He didn't need to do much, just the threat of what he might do was enough to keep me in line.