Mom lets 5-year-old drive

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What ever happened to being a responsible parent

That was dropped after the 60's.

Now it's up to society to take care of people's kids.

Really? I know plenty of responsible parents.

[Heracles 417]

What ever happened to being a responsible parent

That was dropped after the 60's.

Now it's up to society to take care of people's kids.

Really? I know plenty of responsible parents.

Must be like this one:

A North Carolina woman has been charged with killing her 2 1/2 -year-old daughter after she told a detective that she shook, kicked and repeatedly punched the child, Prince William County police said yesterday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5070701964.html

Mother Charged In Death Of 9-Month-Old Son

http://www.news4jax.com/news/14005162/detail.html

Mother charged for leaving baby at Wal-Mart

http://www.indianz.com/News/2007/004672.asp

Mother charged after leaving five-year-old girl alone in filthy house

http://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/sto...p-5908901c.html

A Michigan woman accused in the death of her newborn son,

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/new...0,2783830.story

Mother Charged In Toddler's Death In Hot Napa Car

http://www.ktvu.com/news/13971358/detail.html

Mother Charged With Felony Abuse After Child Takes Ecstasy

http://www.knbc.com/news/14013295/detail.html?subid=10101581

As Children Buried, Mother Charged With Murder

http://www.wdsu.com/news/13961454/detail.html

Mother charged in Wal-Mart beating case

http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/ar...almart0817.html

Mother charged with starving daughter gets 10 years

http://www.topix.net/city/louisville-ky/20...r-gets-10-years

And I could have kept going and going. Guess who has to bear the burden be it for the kids who survived or paying for the mothers prison term..

Edited September 2, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Um no. I was thinking about friends of mine who actually have kids.

As usual though - feel free to jump to the most extreme conclusion from a few newspaper headlines.

[Marilyn. 340]

What ever happened to being a responsible parent

That was dropped after the 60's.

Now it's up to society to take care of people's kids.

Really? I know plenty of responsible parents.

Must be like this one:

A North Carolina woman has been charged with killing her 2 1/2 -year-old daughter after she told a detective that she shook, kicked and repeatedly punched the child, Prince William County police said yesterday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5070701964.html

Mother Charged In Death Of 9-Month-Old Son

http://www.news4jax.com/news/14005162/detail.html

Mother charged for leaving baby at Wal-Mart

http://www.indianz.com/News/2007/004672.asp

Mother charged after leaving five-year-old girl alone in filthy house

http://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/sto...p-5908901c.html

A Michigan woman accused in the death of her newborn son,

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/new...0,2783830.story

Mother Charged In Toddler's Death In Hot Napa Car

http://www.ktvu.com/news/13971358/detail.html

Mother Charged With Felony Abuse After Child Takes Ecstasy

http://www.knbc.com/news/14013295/detail.html?subid=10101581

As Children Buried, Mother Charged With Murder

http://www.wdsu.com/news/13961454/detail.html

Mother charged in Wal-Mart beating case

http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/ar...almart0817.html

Mother charged with starving daughter gets 10 years

http://www.topix.net/city/louisville-ky/20...r-gets-10-years

And I could have kept going and going. Guess who has to bear the burden be it for the kids who survived or paying for the mothers prison term..

yup, there are a few bad apples in the bunch but there are millions of mothers out there who are quite responsible....

you can't label all mothers as irresponsible based on a few incidents...

[Heracles 417]

yup, there are a few bad apples in the bunch but there are millions of mothers out there who are quite responsible....

you can't label all mothers as irresponsible based on a few incidents...

I did not label all mothers bad apples but there is clearly a problem. The articles I posted are only the first few of many; Hardly an isolated incident.

[Caladan 19]

Before the sixties, there were no irresponsible mothers.

[Marilyn. 340]

What ever happened to being a responsible parent

That was dropped after the 60's.

Now it's up to society to take care of people's kids.

this seems to imply that you think no parents are responsible nowadays ....

there have been irresponsible parents since the beginning of time... it just seems like it is going on more now because of the news and that kind of stuff is all they like to talk about...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

yup, there are a few bad apples in the bunch but there are millions of mothers out there who are quite responsible....

you can't label all mothers as irresponsible based on a few incidents...

I did not label all mothers bad apples but there is clearly a problem. The articles I posted are only the first few of many; Hardly an isolated incident.

I don't think its unreasonable to question the unqualified assertion that there has been some sort of radical value shift since the 1960's, that today's parents are generally less responsible in generations past; or indeed that similar incidents to the ones you highlighted in those articles didn't take place back then. Biggest difference as I see it is the expansion of the mass media. They just weren't publicised in the way that they are now.

As I say - I personally know plenty of responsible parents, both married, divorced and single. So your argument simply doesn't hold water. From my experience....

Edited September 3, 2007 by Number 6

[Peikko 1,575]

What an excellent argument for the re-introduction of that very successful strategy, corporal punishment. I am sure once all kids are beaten to a pulp by strong, masculine father figures, the kids will see sense and tow the line and there will be no further incidents of irresponsible parenting.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What an excellent argument for the re-introduction of that very successful strategy, corporal punishment. I am sure once all kids are beaten to a pulp by strong, masculine father figures, the kids will see sense and tow the line and there will be no further incidents of irresponsible parenting.

Interestingly enough - there was mention earlier of the Jamie Bulger murder case in the UK. Reading the background of the pre-teen kids who killed that toddler - it doesn't seem as though violence had much of a positive effect in forming their characters... Strangely I'm not really surprised...

Robert Thompson

John Venables

Edited September 3, 2007 by Number 6

[Heracles 417]

What an excellent argument for the re-introduction of that very successful strategy, corporal punishment. I am sure once all kids are beaten to a pulp by strong, masculine father figures, the kids will see sense and tow the line and there will be no further incidents of irresponsible parenting.

Interestingly enough - there was mention earlier of the Jamie Bulger murder case in the UK. Reading the background of the pre-teen kids who killed that toddler - it doesn't seem as though violence had much of a positive effect in forming their characters... Strangely I'm not really surprised...

Robert Thompson

John Venables

Do you think kids watching stuff like Marry Poppins, growing pains, family ties, The Cosby Show, The sound of music etc will turn out the same as kids watching Hostel and other modern horror and thriller #######??

[Heracles 417]

What an excellent argument for the re-introduction of that very successful strategy, corporal punishment. I am sure once all kids are beaten to a pulp by strong, masculine father figures, the kids will see sense and tow the line and there will be no further incidents of irresponsible parenting.

Yes we have tried appeasement, harsh sentencing, lenient sentencing, get out of jail for free like your Lohans and all of these have failed.

PS Where did you see a proposal of beating up kids?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What an excellent argument for the re-introduction of that very successful strategy, corporal punishment. I am sure once all kids are beaten to a pulp by strong, masculine father figures, the kids will see sense and tow the line and there will be no further incidents of irresponsible parenting.

Interestingly enough - there was mention earlier of the Jamie Bulger murder case in the UK. Reading the background of the pre-teen kids who killed that toddler - it doesn't seem as though violence had much of a positive effect in forming their characters... Strangely I'm not really surprised...

Robert Thompson

John Venables

Do you think kids watching stuff like Marry Poppins, growing pains, family ties, The Cosby Show, The sound of music etc will turn out the same as kids watching Hostel and other modern horror and thriller #######??

I'd say that compared with an abusive and delinquent upbringing, the viewing of a couple of video nasties pales into relative insignificance. Interesting you mention that though - as one of the 'excuses' touted through the initial media coverage was that the boys watched a couple of horror movies (Child's Play 3 was featured specifically on the BBC, but there was no evidence whatsoever that the kids had actually watched it) movies and were somehow spontaneously inspired to act out what they'd seen. To be honest with you I'd say that someone who carries out the torture and murder of another child cannot fall back on a movie to excuse what they did. IMO they were inspired and prepared for that kind of cruelty a long time beforehand.

The media does not cause mental illness.

What an excellent argument for the re-introduction of that very successful strategy, corporal punishment. I am sure once all kids are beaten to a pulp by strong, masculine father figures, the kids will see sense and tow the line and there will be no further incidents of irresponsible parenting.

Yes we have tried appeasement, harsh sentencing, lenient sentencing, get out of jail for free like your Lohans and all of these have failed.

PS Where did you see a proposal of beating up kids?

You're the one who brought up the Jamie Bulger murderers in close relation to your advocating corporal punishment. Not a huge leap to see the implication being made there...

[Ban Hammer 13,620]

What an excellent argument for the re-introduction of that very successful strategy, corporal punishment. I am sure once all kids are beaten to a pulp by strong, masculine father figures, the kids will see sense and tow the line and there will be no further incidents of irresponsible parenting.

it can start with some of them brats in wal-mart.

[Peikko 1,575]

I am quite sure that you witness bad/irresponsible parenting from time to time, maybe even often. However, corporal punishment is definitely not good parenting and will not miraculously solve behavioural problems.

I am not at all certain that there is a 'crisis' with regards parenting either. Yes, I have seen kids that are allowed to 'run amok' from time to time but most don't because they are being brought up by responsible parents. The media loves this kind of story, personally, I don't see it as newsworthy at all.

PS Where did you see a proposal of beating up kids?

Corporal punishment is?????