Carnal Knowledge | What fuels the hatred of homosexuality?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How is incest comparable to homosexuality?

When consensual neither do any harm to you, your neighbors or themselves. Why are you so incestuphobic?

If someone else gets robbed, that doesn't affect me either - but society tends to take a dim view of it.

Incest between consenting adults is very much a 'what if', the most common form of incest being the abuse of a child. If you want to support that - go right ahead. I'm sure you'll find a 'willing audience'. Not.

Homosexual relationships however, are not a 'what if', they are a 'what is'.

You're the one that is bringing up incest of a child. You don't see me bringing up homosexual rape of children. Because it has nothing to do with consensual homosexual sex.

So why bring in incest at all then? Incest has nothing to do with consensual homosexual sex, that was my point. There's currently no demand for incest-marriage (unless I'm much mistaken). In fact the only consenting incest couple I can think of was that German brother and sister who made the news last year, and that couple started their relationship while the girl was legally underage which makes it rather questionable in my book.

Again I don't see the broad demand for this. Society I think has softened its view of homosexuality more over the last century than at any other point in recent history. Views on incest have remained more or less intractable, and there's little reason to expect this to change.

My point (yet again) is that everyone has a line. Your's is consensual incestuous relationships. For others it's consensual homosexual relationships. But 'they' are evil and homophobes.

Your 'line' is meaningless. It compares an unsubstantiated ideal of a deviant lifestyle (which is criminal at worst - hence the reference to pedophilia, and extremely untypical at best) to a homosexual relationship between consenting adults.

IMO there are many more people who would object to (any) incest than would object to homosexuality. However, none of this changes the fact that society views homosexuality rather differently than it did 50 years ago while attitudes to incest remain unchanged. That said - do you honestly think that those 'others' who object to consensual homosexual "marriage" (lets get the terminology right at least) don't object to incest at least as, if not more vehemently?

As I say - meaningless...

Edited September 2, 2007 by Number 6

[Sheriff Uling 3]

That psychologist is an idiot...

only, if the truth makes one an idiot...

Actually it does... because the more you know... the more you don't know... in short... "He's an idiot!"

sheriff, i respect you..but i do not understand your statement..sorry, dean

I'm just goofing off with useless rhetoric to eventually state that the psychologist is an idiot again... Don't mind me on this one... I'm just passing time...

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Your 'line' is meaningless. It compares an unsubstantiated ideal of a deviant lifestyle (which is criminal at worst - hence the reference to pedophilia, and extremely untypical at best) to a homosexual relationship between consenting adults.

IMO there are many more people who would object to (any) incest than would object to homosexuality. However, none of this changes the fact that society views homosexuality rather differently than it did 50 years ago while attitudes to incest remain unchanged. That said - do you honestly think that those 'others' who object to consensual homosexual "marriage" (lets get the terminology right at least) don't object to incest at least as, if not more vehemently?

As I say - meaningless...

I'm more open-minded than you. I bet that really gets to you. That's the problem.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Your 'line' is meaningless. It compares an unsubstantiated ideal of a deviant lifestyle (which is criminal at worst - hence the reference to pedophilia, and extremely untypical at best) to a homosexual relationship between consenting adults.

IMO there are many more people who would object to (any) incest than would object to homosexuality. However, none of this changes the fact that society views homosexuality rather differently than it did 50 years ago while attitudes to incest remain unchanged. That said - do you honestly think that those 'others' who object to consensual homosexual "marriage" (lets get the terminology right at least) don't object to incest at least as, if not more vehemently?

As I say - meaningless...

I'm more open-minded than you. I bet that really gets to you. That's the problem.

You? Mr "Religion of Peace"? Open-minded?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Bigotry sucks monkey balls.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

How is incest comparable to homosexuality?

When consensual neither do any harm to you, your neighbors or themselves. Why are you so incestuphobic?

Probably still in the closet on that one

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

Your 'line' is meaningless. It compares an unsubstantiated ideal of a deviant lifestyle (which is criminal at worst - hence the reference to pedophilia, and extremely untypical at best) to a homosexual relationship between consenting adults.

IMO there are many more people who would object to (any) incest than would object to homosexuality. However, none of this changes the fact that society views homosexuality rather differently than it did 50 years ago while attitudes to incest remain unchanged. That said - do you honestly think that those 'others' who object to consensual homosexual "marriage" (lets get the terminology right at least) don't object to incest at least as, if not more vehemently?

As I say - meaningless...

are you saying homosexuality isn't deviant?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Your 'line' is meaningless. It compares an unsubstantiated ideal of a deviant lifestyle (which is criminal at worst - hence the reference to pedophilia, and extremely untypical at best) to a homosexual relationship between consenting adults.

IMO there are many more people who would object to (any) incest than would object to homosexuality. However, none of this changes the fact that society views homosexuality rather differently than it did 50 years ago while attitudes to incest remain unchanged. That said - do you honestly think that those 'others' who object to consensual homosexual "marriage" (lets get the terminology right at least) don't object to incest at least as, if not more vehemently?

As I say - meaningless...

are you saying homosexuality isn't deviant?

I think attitudes can change (and have). If that were not the case, there wouldn't be calls for gay relationships to be recognised in marriage.

As I said, attitudes to incest and polygamy remain pretty much unchanged. Noone is calling for them to be legally recognised and just because views on homosexuality have softened it doesn't amount to a 'slippery slope'.