The Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007

[GaryC 7]

Illegal alien enabelers, there is no reasoning with them. I am just glad your in an ever increasing minority in this country. We will rid ourselves of this invasion. It's getting better by the day. Just look at the news, every day a city or state passes a law making it harder to be here illegally. At some point the congress will have to take notice and take a hard line nation wide. Those of us that believe in the rule of law will not rest until they do.

I prefer the label American who recognizes the history and need of immigration in this country. As far as minority? I guess that depends who you ask. Your friends and the people you know will likely share your view, but if you come to where I live, you will find that your view is rather scarce.

So do you have rebuttal for my argument on the article you quoted?

Yes, your wrong. Anchor babies are clearly covered under the quote. Your spin doesn't make sense. And I agree, we need immigrants and immigration in this country. Legal immigration, not gatecrashers that think they are above our laws.

[Dan J 277]

Illegal alien enabelers, there is no reasoning with them. I am just glad your in an ever increasing minority in this country. We will rid ourselves of this invasion. It's getting better by the day. Just look at the news, every day a city or state passes a law making it harder to be here illegally. At some point the congress will have to take notice and take a hard line nation wide. Those of us that believe in the rule of law will not rest until they do.

I prefer the label American who recognizes the history and need of immigration in this country. As far as minority? I guess that depends who you ask. Your friends and the people you know will likely share your view, but if you come to where I live, you will find that your view is rather scarce.

So do you have rebuttal for my argument on the article you quoted?

Yes, your wrong. Anchor babies are clearly covered under the quote. Your spin doesn't make sense. And I agree, we need immigrants and immigration in this country. Legal immigration, not gatecrashers that think they are above our laws.

How am I wrong? show me how a child born here is a alien or forigner? The original article was spin taken out of context to support a point of view.

a·li·en (ā'lē-ən, āl'yən) pronunciation

adj.

1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.

2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See synonyms at foreign.

3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.

n.

1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.

2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.

3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.

4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.

5. Ecology. An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.

for·eign·er (fôr'ə-nər, fŏr'-) pronunciation

n.

1. One who is from a foreign country or place.

2. One who is from outside a particular group or community; an outsider.

Edited August 31, 2007 by Dan + Gemvita

[GaryC 7]

Illegal alien enabelers, there is no reasoning with them. I am just glad your in an ever increasing minority in this country. We will rid ourselves of this invasion. It's getting better by the day. Just look at the news, every day a city or state passes a law making it harder to be here illegally. At some point the congress will have to take notice and take a hard line nation wide. Those of us that believe in the rule of law will not rest until they do.

I prefer the label American who recognizes the history and need of immigration in this country. As far as minority? I guess that depends who you ask. Your friends and the people you know will likely share your view, but if you come to where I live, you will find that your view is rather scarce.

So do you have rebuttal for my argument on the article you quoted?

Yes, your wrong. Anchor babies are clearly covered under the quote. Your spin doesn't make sense. And I agree, we need immigrants and immigration in this country. Legal immigration, not gatecrashers that think they are above our laws.

How am I wrong? show me how a child born here is a alien or foreigner? The original article was spin taken out of context to support a point of view.

a·lien (ā'lē-ən, āflyən) pronunciation

adj.

1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.

2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See synonyms at foreign.

3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.

n.

1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.

2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.

3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.

4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.

5. Ecology. An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.

foreigner (fôr'ə-nər, fŏr'-) pronunciation

n.

1. One who is from a foreign country or place.

2. One who is from outside a particular group or community; an outsider.

You just being argumentative and using circular logic. If the parents are aliens and they give birth to a child here then that child is an alien also unless the law allows the child to be granted citizenship. This amendment wasn't suppost to do that, only an activist judge at some point made it apply when it shouldn't have. I am not going to argue the point with you, the quote clearly states that children born to aliens were not to be given citizenship under the 14th amendment.

Edited August 31, 2007 by GaryC

[Dan J 277]

Illegal alien enabelers, there is no reasoning with them. I am just glad your in an ever increasing minority in this country. We will rid ourselves of this invasion. It's getting better by the day. Just look at the news, every day a city or state passes a law making it harder to be here illegally. At some point the congress will have to take notice and take a hard line nation wide. Those of us that believe in the rule of law will not rest until they do.

I prefer the label American who recognizes the history and need of immigration in this country. As far as minority? I guess that depends who you ask. Your friends and the people you know will likely share your view, but if you come to where I live, you will find that your view is rather scarce.

So do you have rebuttal for my argument on the article you quoted?

Yes, your wrong. Anchor babies are clearly covered under the quote. Your spin doesn't make sense. And I agree, we need immigrants and immigration in this country. Legal immigration, not gatecrashers that think they are above our laws.

How am I wrong? show me how a child born here is a alien or foreigner? The original article was spin taken out of context to support a point of view.

a·lien (ā'lē-ən, āflyən) pronunciation

adj.

1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.

2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See synonyms at foreign.

3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.

n.

1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.

2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.

3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.

4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.

5. Ecology. An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.

foreigner (fôr'ə-nər, fŏr'-) pronunciation

n.

1. One who is from a foreign country or place.

2. One who is from outside a particular group or community; an outsider.

You just being argumentative and using circular logic. If the parents are aliens and they give birth to a child here then that child is an alien also unless the law allows the child to be granted citizenship. This amendment wasn't suppost to do that, only an activist judge at some point made it apply when it shouldn't have. I am not going to argue the point with you, the quote clearly states that children born to aliens were not to be given citizenship under the 14th amendment.

The child does not necessarily automatically inherit the citizenship of its parents. Even the US doesn't make it automatic. So if you take away citizenship, the child becomes a stateless person, which they then become a refugee and could claim asylum in the US and stay here permanently. You cant really deport a stateless person as they would have no where to be deported too.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

Illegal alien enabelers, there is no reasoning with them. I am just glad your in an ever increasing minority in this country. We will rid ourselves of this invasion. It's getting better by the day. Just look at the news, every day a city or state passes a law making it harder to be here illegally. At some point the congress will have to take notice and take a hard line nation wide. Those of us that believe in the rule of law will not rest until they do.

I prefer the label American who recognizes the history and need of legal immigration in this country. As far as minority? I guess that depends who you ask. Your friends and the people you know will likely share your view, but if you come to where I live, you will find that your view is rather scarce.

So do you have rebuttal for my argument on the article you quoted?

there, now i can agree with that statement.

[Caladan 19]

Caladan - There is some logic in what you write. However, it's highly conceivable that is a percentage of illegals do "Anchor Babies" knowing that will be American Citizens.

I bet many people do know about it, but how many people are able to take advantage of it after waiting 20 plus years, assuming they are still alive is a lot lower.

More than the percentage here for the 10x pay increase? Call me skeptical. 21 years to majority + a 16 year backlog = not an incentive.

I believe in the rule of law, which is mostly why I am not for making stupid laws that don't address anything like the problem.

[GaryC 7]

Illegal alien enabelers, there is no reasoning with them. I am just glad your in an ever increasing minority in this country. We will rid ourselves of this invasion. It's getting better by the day. Just look at the news, every day a city or state passes a law making it harder to be here illegally. At some point the congress will have to take notice and take a hard line nation wide. Those of us that believe in the rule of law will not rest until they do.

I prefer the label American who recognizes the history and need of immigration in this country. As far as minority? I guess that depends who you ask. Your friends and the people you know will likely share your view, but if you come to where I live, you will find that your view is rather scarce.

So do you have rebuttal for my argument on the article you quoted?

Yes, your wrong. Anchor babies are clearly covered under the quote. Your spin doesn't make sense. And I agree, we need immigrants and immigration in this country. Legal immigration, not gatecrashers that think they are above our laws.

How am I wrong? show me how a child born here is a alien or foreigner? The original article was spin taken out of context to support a point of view.

a·lien (ā'lē-ən, āflyən) pronunciation

adj.

1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.

2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See synonyms at foreign.

3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.

n.

1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.

2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.

3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.

4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.

5. Ecology. An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.

foreigner (fôr'ə-nər, fŏr'-) pronunciation

n.

1. One who is from a foreign country or place.

2. One who is from outside a particular group or community; an outsider.

You just being argumentative and using circular logic. If the parents are aliens and they give birth to a child here then that child is an alien also unless the law allows the child to be granted citizenship. This amendment wasn't suppost to do that, only an activist judge at some point made it apply when it shouldn't have. I am not going to argue the point with you, the quote clearly states that children born to aliens were not to be given citizenship under the 14th amendment.

The child does not necessarily automatically inherit the citizenship of its parents. Even the US doesn't make it automatic. So if you take away citizenship, the child becomes a stateless person, which they then become a refugee and could claim asylum in the US and stay here permanently. You cant really deport a stateless person as they would have no where to be deported too.

You can't be serious. The child is the nationality of the parents regardless of where he is born.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

Caladan - There is some logic in what you write. However, it's highly conceivable that is a percentage of illegals do "Anchor Babies" knowing that will be American Citizens.

I bet many people do know about it, but how many people are able to take advantage of it after waiting 20 plus years, assuming they are still alive is a lot lower.

More than the percentage here for the 10x pay increase? Call me skeptical. 21 years to majority + a 16 year backlog = not an incentive.

I believe in the rule of law, which is mostly why I am not for making stupid laws that don't address anything like the problem.

just in time for social security payments

[Dan J 277]

Illegal alien enabelers, there is no reasoning with them. I am just glad your in an ever increasing minority in this country. We will rid ourselves of this invasion. It's getting better by the day. Just look at the news, every day a city or state passes a law making it harder to be here illegally. At some point the congress will have to take notice and take a hard line nation wide. Those of us that believe in the rule of law will not rest until they do.

I prefer the label American who recognizes the history and need of immigration in this country. As far as minority? I guess that depends who you ask. Your friends and the people you know will likely share your view, but if you come to where I live, you will find that your view is rather scarce.

So do you have rebuttal for my argument on the article you quoted?

Yes, your wrong. Anchor babies are clearly covered under the quote. Your spin doesn't make sense. And I agree, we need immigrants and immigration in this country. Legal immigration, not gatecrashers that think they are above our laws.

How am I wrong? show me how a child born here is a alien or foreigner? The original article was spin taken out of context to support a point of view.

a·lien (ā'lē-ən, āflyən) pronunciation

adj.

1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.

2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See synonyms at foreign.

3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.

n.

1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.

2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.

3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.

4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.

5. Ecology. An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.

foreigner (fôr'ə-nər, fŏr'-) pronunciation

n.

1. One who is from a foreign country or place.

2. One who is from outside a particular group or community; an outsider.

You just being argumentative and using circular logic. If the parents are aliens and they give birth to a child here then that child is an alien also unless the law allows the child to be granted citizenship. This amendment wasn't suppost to do that, only an activist judge at some point made it apply when it shouldn't have. I am not going to argue the point with you, the quote clearly states that children born to aliens were not to be given citizenship under the 14th amendment.

The child does not necessarily automatically inherit the citizenship of its parents. Even the US doesn't make it automatic. So if you take away citizenship, the child becomes a stateless person, which they then become a refugee and could claim asylum in the US and stay here permanently. You cant really deport a stateless person as they would have no where to be deported too.

You can't be serious. The child is the nationality of the parents regardless of where he is born.

That depends on the country. A child born to US parent(s) outside of the country doesn't automatically gain citizenship, I think military bases are the only exception. The child has a right to citizenship, according to US law, but does not automatically gain it. And if not given citizenship by birth by the country the child was born in, the child is effectively stateless. It depends on the country the child was born in, and what country their parents hold citizenship.

[Scott & Lai 12]

Illegal alien enabelers, there is no reasoning with them. I am just glad your in an ever increasing minority in this country. We will rid ourselves of this invasion. It's getting better by the day. Just look at the news, every day a city or state passes a law making it harder to be here illegally. At some point the congress will have to take notice and take a hard line nation wide. Those of us that believe in the rule of law will not rest until they do.

I prefer the label American who recognizes the history and need of immigration in this country. As far as minority? I guess that depends who you ask. Your friends and the people you know will likely share your view, but if you come to where I live, you will find that your view is rather scarce.

So do you have rebuttal for my argument on the article you quoted?

Yes, your wrong. Anchor babies are clearly covered under the quote. Your spin doesn't make sense. And I agree, we need immigrants and immigration in this country. Legal immigration, not gatecrashers that think they are above our laws.

How am I wrong? show me how a child born here is a alien or forigner? The original article was spin taken out of context to support a point of view.

a·li·en (ā'lē-ən, āl'yən) pronunciation

adj.

1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.

2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See synonyms at foreign.

3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.

n.

1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.

2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.

3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.

4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.

5. Ecology. An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.

for·eign·er (fôr'ə-nər, fŏr'-) pronunciation

n.

1. One who is from a foreign country or place.

2. One who is from outside a particular group or community; an outsider.

If a child born of a foreign national on American soil is not themselves an alien by virtue of being born of a foreign national (in spite of the clear wording of the author of the 14th ammendment), then what is that child's relationship to the country of its parents? If the family returns to their home country, is the child now an alien there?

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

That depends on the country. A child born to US parent(s) outside of the country doesn't automatically gain citizenship, I think military bases are the only exception. The child has a right to citizenship, according to US law, but does not automatically gain it. And if not given citizenship by birth by the country the child was born in, the child is effectively stateless. It depends on the country the child was born in, and what country their parents hold citizenship.

actually it depends on treaties with the host country. for example, my daughter is dual national us-dutch as she was born during an assignment to the netherlands.

[mawilson 2,133]

That depends on the country. A child born to US parent(s) outside of the country doesn't automatically gain citizenship

Actually - yes, they do. Children born abroad to US parents are native-born US citizens who

can even run for President. Example: John McCain.

That depends on the country. A child born to US parent(s) outside of the country doesn't automatically gain citizenship, I think military bases are the only exception. The child has a right to citizenship, according to US law, but does not automatically gain it. And if not given citizenship by birth by the country the child was born in, the child is effectively stateless. It depends on the country the child was born in, and what country their parents hold citizenship.

actually it depends on treaties with the host country. for example, my daughter is dual national us-dutch as she was born during an assignment to the netherlands.

You have an EU anchor baby, Charles? :o

[almaty 19]

That depends on the country. A child born to US parent(s) outside of the country doesn't automatically gain citizenship

Actually - yes, they do. Children born abroad to US parents are native-born US citizens who

can even run for President. Example: John McCain.

That depends on the country. A child born to US parent(s) outside of the country doesn't automatically gain citizenship, I think military bases are the only exception. The child has a right to citizenship, according to US law, but does not automatically gain it. And if not given citizenship by birth by the country the child was born in, the child is effectively stateless. It depends on the country the child was born in, and what country their parents hold citizenship.

actually it depends on treaties with the host country. for example, my daughter is dual national us-dutch as she was born during an assignment to the netherlands.

You have an EU anchor baby, Charles? :o

,,,hmmmm..

[peejay 327]

Other than possibly creating a bunch of problems, even some for legal immigration, and making some anti-immigration nuts happy, what does this really solve?

What is an anti-immigration nut? Is that the opposite of an illegal alien cheerleader?

Is that somebody that believes paying a human smuggler several thousand $$$ to sneak into the USA in the middle of the night like a sneak thief, paying criminals even more $$$ for counterfeit work/residency documents, and making an anchor baby doesn't entitle them to permanent residency and a path to citizenship? If so...count me in. Guilty as charged.

[peejay 327]

Here's an interesting website. Maybe some folks can learn how most of the other world operates in the 21st Century.

http://www.multiplecitizenship.com/worldsummary.html