just when you think things will get worse they do.

[Ron/Sharon 0]

I just received this from Montreal in reply to a question asked.

please focus on the waiver which might take 12-18 mths. Once that is approved we will review your file again and ask you for expired documents.

Which should be sent to the consulate in Montreal as a reply:

#######

Or

Good God, you must be serious there's no smiley to be found anywhere.

With a few taps on the keyboard you managed to change the time frame on the information letter I received from 3 to 12 month to 12 to 18 months. So now I fill the form for the waiver, send it to Montreal and it sits there until someone sends it to Vermont in 3 to 6 month, November 2007 or February 2008 and then wait for Vermont to adjudicate at a cost of $545.00 in approximately 12 to 18 month, which will bring us into somewhere between February and August 2009 then wait for the review to be done at the consulate at a cost of $385.00 in approximately 6 to 12 months which brings us to January or July 2010. Then once I get the decision everything we have will be out of date approximately 13 items have to be done again from the beginning which means that if everything goes as you plan I will have buried both of my in-laws before I ever had the chance of saying I do.

Why did the consular officer not tell me, you have been denied for 2 asinine reasons, but $545.00 for an adjudication, and $385.00 for a review of the adjudication paid now will expedite the process. This whole process could take as little as 2 years and as many as they wish.

The above sure felt good writing, I just had to get it out. The hardest part right now will be telling Sharon not to buy the house she saw and wants.

The good thing is I have a big rig driver and two helpers ready to move her here at a moments notice.

[Mephys 2]

[desert_fox 32]

I just received this from Montreal in reply to a question asked.

please focus on the waiver which might take 12-18 mths. Once that is approved we will review your file again and ask you for expired documents.

Which should be sent to the consulate in Montreal as a reply:

#######

Or

Good God, you must be serious there's no smiley to be found anywhere.

With a few taps on the keyboard you managed to change the time frame on the information letter I received from 3 to 12 month to 12 to 18 months. So now I fill the form for the waiver, send it to Montreal and it sits there until someone sends it to Vermont in 3 to 6 month, November 2007 or February 2008 and then wait for Vermont to adjudicate at a cost of $545.00 in approximately 12 to 18 month, which will bring us into somewhere between February and August 2009 then wait for the review to be done at the consulate at a cost of $385.00 in approximately 6 to 12 months which brings us to January or July 2010. Then once I get the decision everything we have will be out of date approximately 13 items have to be done again from the beginning which means that if everything goes as you plan I will have buried both of my in-laws before I ever had the chance of saying I do.

Why did the consular officer not tell me, you have been denied for 2 asinine reasons, but $545.00 for an adjudication, and $385.00 for a review of the adjudication paid now will expedite the process. This whole process could take as little as 2 years and as many as they wish.

The above sure felt good writing, I just had to get it out. The hardest part right now will be telling Sharon not to buy the house she saw and wants.

The good thing is I have a big rig driver and two helpers ready to move her here at a moments notice.

???

what are we talking about here?

[trailmix 77]

???

what are we talking about here?

Have a look at Ron and Sharon's profile/posts to get the whole story.

I'm sorry to hear that you guys, it's got to be so incredibly frustrating for you both. I hope things take a turn for the better soon and that it won't take the amount of time they are throwing out at you.

[Tinker 0]

Don't give up Ron!! *hugs*

Is there anything we can do? Write to? In some way help to get things moving at all?

[kitkat1 5]

Unfortunately 12-18 months is the norm for waivers in Vermont. At least it is now totally clear that you are indeed waiver eligible - now you just have to submit it with the hardship letter and evidence and try to wait patiently.

[Ron/Sharon 0]

After a long discussion last night we (Sharon and I) have come to the conclusion that we have other priorities that need addressing more urgently than this visa trip we are on.

Kitkat1, the consulate packet I received for the waiver has oversized bolded letter stating that the waiver process would take 3 to 12 months, the person who replied to my e-mail is the one that stated 12 to 18 months. The only evidence I have is proof that Debbie's nose is out of whack and I am alcohol free.

Desert_fox, this is about a I-601 I received for 1, Alcoholism and 2, here in Canada I was charged with (taking a vehicle with intent to drive) and in the states according to the consulate it is called (car theft) and what BPS calls (grand theft auto), both are now older than some of the members here.

Tinker, thank you very much. We aren't stopping anything just putting things on hold for the time being.

Right now because of what was written to me in their response I have a new thorn to stick in their side (please focus on the waiver which might take 12-18 mths. Once that is approved we will review your file again and ask you for expired documents.) ((The word review here meaning they will look for other reason for denial)) by sending them a complete copy of everything I have and asking them to review it so I have all of their reasons that a waiver would be required instead of having to go through this whole process again and adding a further 12 to 18 months to the process.

[kitkat1 5]

Ron, since no office can give you exact timing, it's pretty normal for one person to say one thing (3-12 months) and another to say something else (12-18 months). Post waiver approval, there is a second "interview"/visa pick up. If one year has passed, new documents and medical exam results are required.

I'm confused about the alcohol thing. "Alcohol abuse" or whatever they are calling it is NOT waivable. So it appears to me you are only dealing with the criminal issue. Do you have the exact denial codes to be clear on what needs to be addressed? Since you do qualify for a waiver, seems like you should go for it unless it's easier for her to move there. Just my opinion.

[Ron/Sharon 0]

Ron, since no office can give you exact timing, it's pretty normal for one person to say one thing (3-12 months) and another to say something else (12-18 months). Post waiver approval, there is a second "interview"/visa pick up. If one year has passed, new documents and medical exam results are required.

I'm confused about the alcohol thing. "Alcohol abuse" or whatever they are calling it is NOT waivable. So it appears to me you are only dealing with the criminal issue. Do you have the exact denial codes to be clear on what needs to be addressed? Since you do qualify for a waiver, seems like you should go for it unless it's easier for her to move there. Just my opinion.

I beleive that the 221(g) for alcoholism is a REF only.

DEPARTMENT OF STATE

OF THE

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Date: 9-Aug-2007

Visa Symbol: K1

(LAST NAME, First, Middle)

Dear Visa Applicant:

This office regrets to inform you that it is unable to issue a visa to you because you have been found ineligible to

receive a visa under the following section(s) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. The information contained

in the paragraphs marked with "X" pertain to your visa application. Please disregard the unmarked paragraphs.

(X) Section 221(g) which prohibits the issuance of a visa to anyone whose application does not comply with the

provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act or regulations issued pursuant thereto. The following remarks apply in your case:*

Need follow-up with medical for alcoholism

( ) Section212(a)(1)health-relatedgrounds.

( ) Section 212(a)(4) which prohibits the issuance of a visa to anyone likely to become a public charge.

(X) Section 212(a)(2)(A)1 Car theft 24-JUL-1976 in British Columbia

See Form DSL-851A for further details.

() Other:

() Further consideration will be given to your visa application after you obtain and present the documents

listed above and/or the following:*

() You are eligible for waiver of the grounds of ineligibility. To apply for a waiver, follow the instructions in the

attached Form 1-724.

*WARNING: IF YOU FAIL TO TAKE THE ACTION REQUESTED WITHIN ONE YEAR FOLLOWING

VISA DENIAL UNDER SECTION 221(G) OF THE IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT, SECTION

223(G) OF THE ACT REQUIRES THAT YOUR APPLICATION BE CANCELLED.

Sincerely yours,

NSN 7540-00-149-0995

50194-104 PREVIOUS EDITIONS USABLE

OPTIONAL FORM 194 (Rev. 4-91)

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE

[kitkat1 5]

OK so there's no question you are eligible. Writing a good hardship letter and providing the necessary evidence is not very difficult and there are tons of great examples on the net. What do you have to lose? $545 plus any additional fees. What do you have to gain? The change for legal residency in the US. Ultimately only you two can decide what to do, but the option does exist.

[Ron/Sharon 0]

OK so there's no question you are eligible. Writing a good hardship letter and providing the necessary evidence is not very difficult and there are tons of great examples on the net. What do you have to lose? $545 plus any additional fees. What do you have to gain? The change for legal residency in the US. Ultimately only you two can decide what to do, but the option does exist.

Being eligible has not been an issue with me, it is the reasons for 221g and 212 that I find has no logic.

The reason for the blood test for alcoholism is based on Debbie writing in my file that she could smell alcohol on my breath, anyone who has been to window 12 at Montreal would find that comment a bit questionable, hence there were no grounds plus there was documentation in the medical records from my family stating that over the past 10 years alcohol was never an issue during examinations and ultra sounds showed liver and kidneys were in fine form.

The car theft thing happened at about the same time the person that gave me the denial news was born 31 years ago and the RCMP check confirmed that there were no priors or other offences after that one therefore the chances of my re-offending after 31 yrs are quite slim.

As far as a hardship letter being written I don't see any valid reason for one being written, her father will be passing very shortly and her mother will surely give up a short time later, both should be gone before the adjudication even begins therefore no grounds for hardship. The only evidence they requested was a blood test for the alcoholism and I have those results in hand, and none was requested re: the auto theft because they already have that in their hands. I'm not going to hand over $545.00 to any government agency in any country just because they say so, not without my getting a few digs in first. What do I have to gain? A chance for legal residency in the States. That was an option, hope and dream but has quickly been removed from the list of to dos, now the priority is to get everything in order there by living there as long as required. Mind you I love the people and area I'm going to there, but I'm not spending one moment more than I have to. Our decision was made a long time ago with the option of changing it, bureaucratic fumbling has made our decision quite clear.

Edited August 28, 2007 by Ron/Sharon

[joelunchbox 0]

I just received this from Montreal in reply to a question asked.

please focus on the waiver which might take 12-18 mths. Once that is approved we will review your file again and ask you for expired documents.

Which should be sent to the consulate in Montreal as a reply:

#######

Or

Good God, you must be serious there's no smiley to be found anywhere.

With a few taps on the keyboard you managed to change the time frame on the information letter I received from 3 to 12 month to 12 to 18 months. So now I fill the form for the waiver, send it to Montreal and it sits there until someone sends it to Vermont in 3 to 6 month, November 2007 or February 2008 and then wait for Vermont to adjudicate at a cost of $545.00 in approximately 12 to 18 month, which will bring us into somewhere between February and August 2009 then wait for the review to be done at the consulate at a cost of $385.00 in approximately 6 to 12 months which brings us to January or July 2010. Then once I get the decision everything we have will be out of date approximately 13 items have to be done again from the beginning which means that if everything goes as you plan I will have buried both of my in-laws before I ever had the chance of saying I do.

Why did the consular officer not tell me, you have been denied for 2 asinine reasons, but $545.00 for an adjudication, and $385.00 for a review of the adjudication paid now will expedite the process. This whole process could take as little as 2 years and as many as they wish.

The above sure felt good writing, I just had to get it out. The hardest part right now will be telling Sharon not to buy the house she saw and wants.

The good thing is I have a big rig driver and two helpers ready to move her here at a moments notice.

It is beginning to get embarrassing to admit that I am an American. My heavens...is this how we treat people?? I wish you best of luck, and hope you get satisfaction with this soon.

[Ron/Sharon 0]

I just received this from Montreal in reply to a question asked.

please focus on the waiver which might take 12-18 mths. Once that is approved we will review your file again and ask you for expired documents.

Which should be sent to the consulate in Montreal as a reply:

#######

Or

Good God, you must be serious there's no smiley to be found anywhere.

With a few taps on the keyboard you managed to change the time frame on the information letter I received from 3 to 12 month to 12 to 18 months. So now I fill the form for the waiver, send it to Montreal and it sits there until someone sends it to Vermont in 3 to 6 month, November 2007 or February 2008 and then wait for Vermont to adjudicate at a cost of $545.00 in approximately 12 to 18 month, which will bring us into somewhere between February and August 2009 then wait for the review to be done at the consulate at a cost of $385.00 in approximately 6 to 12 months which brings us to January or July 2010. Then once I get the decision everything we have will be out of date approximately 13 items have to be done again from the beginning which means that if everything goes as you plan I will have buried both of my in-laws before I ever had the chance of saying I do.

Why did the consular officer not tell me, you have been denied for 2 asinine reasons, but $545.00 for an adjudication, and $385.00 for a review of the adjudication paid now will expedite the process. This whole process could take as little as 2 years and as many as they wish.

The above sure felt good writing, I just had to get it out. The hardest part right now will be telling Sharon not to buy the house she saw and wants.

The good thing is I have a big rig driver and two helpers ready to move her here at a moments notice.

It is beginning to get embarrassing to admit that I am an American. My heavens...is this how we treat people?? I wish you best of luck, and hope you get satisfaction with this soon.

Joelunchbox, You have no need to feel anything but proud of who you are, the laws of each and every country are made to protect theri inhabitants, I am more pissed off at myself for getting myself into this mess and maybe a few people at the consulate for not having the balls to make a on the spot decission since they had all the information in their hands when I was there. Sahron is from the tornado alley area so we will ride out the storm and raise a little dust as we do.

Thank you and all the best to you and yours on this journey

[kitkat1 5]

The thing is, there are laws in place that make people with certain backgrounds or experiences ineligible for visas. Most of those ineligibilities can be waived.

So if you believe the denial is incorrect, why not fight it with the help of a lawyer? If it is correct, why not submit a waiver?

Not submitting a waiver means never having the opportunity to live in the US. Ever. Since you were pursuing a visa to live in the US, it's hard to grasp that it's not worth it to you. Again in the end it's your decision. It's just hard to understand that you prefer to do nothing when you have options.

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

Why aren't USC questioned and or convicted under INA 274(a)(1)(A)(iii). of possibly harboring illegal aliens when they apply for a waiver?