Deal reached on immigration

[NeonExile 0]

*Cough* So much for that debate then.

Heh.

[rebeccajo 14]

....interesting.........

[kaydee457 13]

but Democrats, who have insisted on no amendments, lost six votes from their members.

Does this surprise anyone?

[Ladylethal 12]

So what does all this mean exactly?

[peejay 327]

Republicans were united in the 38-60 vote but Democrats, who have insisted on no amendments, lost six votes from their members.

Why? Because a vast majority of rank and file Americans citizens are hammering their representatives in the Senate to kill these amnesties and massive increases of foreign worker legislations eminating from the Senate. They are nothing more than wish lists for the US Chamber of Commerce, Big Business, and the ethnic lobbies. Most Americans know these legislations are horrible and not in their best interests.

Is it any wonder that Senator Hagel sponsored this "amnesty light" or "diet amnesty". I remember quite well when the meat packing industry in his state was ridding the unions from their plants years ago. No small coincidence that the meat packing industry has been a major target of illegal immigration sweeps.

Jobs Americans won't do? They used to not be...but they are now! Where is the outpouring of sympathy for the American workers and their families that used to have decent jobs in the meat packing industry? Did you ever think their lives were uprooted?

I'm neither Republican or Democrat...I've always maintained my status as an independent voter. Look at who is looking out for YOUR interests, not what their party affiliation is.

Call, FAX, write, e-mail, and/or visit your Senator's offices. Let them know we are tired of the deceptions.

[PsychoKat 0]

Being one to always take media reports and politician statements with a grain of salt, I studied the information available myself.

Having actually read the research documents that everyone quoting the 11 million illegal immigrants number from and doing some calculations myself I discovered something I thought was interesting. According to the numbers it appears that the problem isn't so much about people working here to send money home. It instead seems to indicate that the problem lies in the process we ourselves are struggling with and how some aspects of it can lead one to feel there are no other viable options available. As such I sent the following letter to my Congress Woman. Maybe she will take the time to read this before anything solid is decided and turn the attention to the difficulties we face in this process.

I am writing in regards to the issue of illegal immigration.

Disturbed by the way I was hearing and seeing people respond in regards to immigration and Hispanics I decided to research this myself.

The number of undocumented immigrants is being reported in the news is 11 million which is the value listed in the "Size and Characteristics of the Unauthorized Migrant Population in the U.S." report on the Pew Hispanic Report site. After studying the information available, along with calculating specific group data that had not been displayed, I found that the data appears to indicate family as the driving force rather than jobs in the US. Following are my results.

The number of undocumented immigrants given is 11.1 million. That is not an accurate value, included in the total are 1 to 1.5 million documented aliens, some waiting adjustment of status on K visa's, some are refugee's and asylee's, awaiting approval. etc.

That leaves 9,600,00 of the original number. Of that 2,035,000 are living in non-family environments with no children, and some were solo. 7,625,000 were living in family environments with children, the information in the report appears to indicate that although not a head of household the majority of these families include at least one member that is in legal status.

The percentages are 21% non-family environments and 79% family environments.

Of the entire 11.1 million, 1.6 were children and 6.2 Mexican. Not included in my values as they are considered citizens there are 3.1 children living within the family based environment that have citizenship status.

The percentages lean very strongly towards the family unit being the strongest motivating factor. Although these people might be working illegally, if family unity is the motivating factor then, focusing on the job and work aspect might not be the most effective means of resolving this.

Having personal experience going through the family immigration process, I can see how the process could easily fail for some leading them to choose this path out of desperation. If this is a high motivating factor in the issue, then although the financial aspect of the process would play a strong roll in it, the creation of guest worker type programs would do nothing to alleviate it.

Consider the requirements of the family based visa, combine that the difficulties of managing a family as a single parent. We know that the highest percentage of population within our welfare system can be attributed to single parent families. What options would be available in a situation where the petitioner was a single parent unable to meet the proof of support requirements. If the children were the product of a previous marriage then the petitioner would require approval from the other parent to move out of the country, which may be impossible. If it was possible to obtain that, it still might be impossible, considering the best interests of the children in terms of physical and emotional well being. The petitioner could choose to leave their children behind with a relative and move to the beneficiaries home country, although it has been done some would find it unthinkable to give up their children that way. Another option would be to give up the marriage, with no way to live their lives together and act as a family unit how could they maintain a viable marriage? But how many would be willing to give up their love and marriage that easily? The last option would be to live in an undocumented illegal status within the country to keep the family together.

In a situation such as the one just outlined, creating a guest worker type of program would not resolve the problem. It might provide a means for the beneficiary to work in the country on a temporary basis, but it would not resolve the problems that cause this in the first place. As a result it might work at least temporarily for those here now, it would still leave the initial cause in place allowing this to continue happening..

Of course these are my views and there might be other aspects of this I am not aware of, but with our government working to address this issue I felt compelled to offer my observations and thought in hopes it might help.

One thing I wish I had thought to add to my letter is that by turning a single parent home into a two parent home, you increase the chances of those families becoming self sufficient which can play a part in decreasing the burden on our welfare system.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

PsychoKat, that's an interesting point you're raising, and if nothing else it will remind your senator that illegal immigration has a lot to do with legal immigration and maybe more importantly that there are actually people who immigrate legally.

[PsychoKat 0]

PsychoKat, that's an interesting point you're raising, and if nothing else it will remind your senator that illegal immigration has a lot to do with legal immigration and maybe more importantly that there are actually people who immigrate legally.

Or try and are thwarted by the process as it is now.

If you notice I have been married since 2002, yet my husband STILL is not living with me. This is because neither of us were educated in he process and only found out the requirements after we were married. I was in the middle of a career change, after 22 years at the same company I developed a health condition that nearly killed me, forced me to leave the company and my field of expertise and start a new carreer path from scratch. Although I had never gotten to the point of having to accept assistance from the government, my income for 2 years was below the requirements for proof of support. It was devestating when we discovered this, but since I had faith that I could recover from this given time we waited to start the process.

Having been in this position though I can see how people who don't feel so confident they could eventually meet the requirements might be desperate enough to take the other road.

[pedroh 21]

well.. first of all

fisch! u've become my foreign affairs 1st consul lol.. ur post was great..

2nd.. kaydee.. I agree with ya.. unfortunately this post has become a whiny thing of 'my case doesn't get approved because of the illegals'.. and sincerely, guys.. u're taking a childlish attitude of 'if im not first, then noone goes first'.. it's true, some of us took the immigration highway and by luck, or whatever our cases got approved, but.. again, I don't think that the USCIS clerk who forgot to check some cases from 2 years ago has anything to do with the immigration bill.. and I rather see a 'why them and not me' why a 'no. me first, me first' attitude...

and.. in the other post agent smith made.. yes. braceros program has been there from a long time.. companies process a 2 3 year work visa for some dudes, they go, work and go back.. then next time.. that's nothing new.. now i guess it's gonna be long scale..

now.. remember that not because u pay u have a god given right compared to the illegals.. as they can get deported, u can not get authorized too.. they have to check and process,.. its not a 'go' automatic light.. so, i dont know why this cocky attitude of 'i payed' if.. anyway u have to submit to a procedure.. that's not an automatic approval..

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The program ended in 1964, according to that article.

and.. in the other post agent smith made.. yes. braceros program has been there from a long time.. companies process a 2 3 year work visa for some dudes, they go, work and go back.. then next time.. that's nothing new..

[pedroh 21]

The program ended in 1964, according to that article.

and.. in the other post agent smith made.. yes. braceros program has been there from a long time.. companies process a 2 3 year work visa for some dudes, they go, work and go back.. then next time.. that's nothing new..

well i know that in monterrey some companies keep doing it.. they pay for the h1b sponsor

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The program ended in 1964, according to that article.

and.. in the other post agent smith made.. yes. braceros program has been there from a long time.. companies process a 2 3 year work visa for some dudes, they go, work and go back.. then next time.. that's nothing new..

well i know that in monterrey some companies keep doing it.. they pay for the h1b sponsor

OIC.

[charmac7 4]

well.. first of all

fisch! u've become my foreign affairs 1st consul lol.. ur post was great..

2nd.. kaydee.. I agree with ya.. unfortunately this post has become a whiny thing of 'my case doesn't get approved because of the illegals'.. and sincerely, guys.. u're taking a childlish attitude of 'if im not first, then noone goes first'.. it's true, some of us took the immigration highway and by luck, or whatever our cases got approved, but.. again, I don't think that the USCIS clerk who forgot to check some cases from 2 years ago has anything to do with the immigration bill.. and I rather see a 'why them and not me' why a 'no. me first, me first' attitude...

I never said that my case did not get approved because of illegals and I don't recall reading that on anyone else's either. and you are damn right I have a me first attitude - why the hell shouldn't I...my husband pays a ridiculous amount of taxes in the US, we have been in this damn line for close to 3 years and along comes the same government he has been paying taxes to and they say to the people still in the country illegally ....oh you are here without paperwork...well come on in ...we are now going to process you....you basically get forgiven for entering the country and staying illegally...you don't have to file a waiver.... we forgive you. Meanwhile people like me are still jumping through the hoops with no end in sight.

Were you aware that people who have been deported for an overstay, whether it be removed at POE or otherwise in most cases are afforded the opportunity to file a waiver to overcome this. Alot of these waivers are handled either at the Embassy, Service Center and or Dept. of State. Waivers can take years to process depending on the country....but guess what the number one consulate/embassy is Ciudad Juarez, number 1 in approvals.....and number 1 in processing them.....most in a few months.

and.. in the other post agent smith made.. yes. braceros program has been there from a long time.. companies process a 2 3 year work visa for some dudes, they go, work and go back.. then next time.. that's nothing new.. now i guess it's gonna be long scale..

now.. remember that not because u pay u have a god given right compared to the illegals.. as they can get deported, u can not get authorized too.. they have to check and process,.. its not a 'go' automatic light.. so, i dont know why this cocky attitude of 'i payed' if.. anyway u have to submit to a procedure.. that's not an automatic approval..

I paid and am going through the checks and balances of this process and I am not living in the US and working without documentation.....therefore I have more rights than the illegals!!!!....they know when they enter illegally that they face deportation....so that just doesn't cut it for me. And what about all the people who got deported and are no longer in the Country ( like Miss Liss's fiance) He is not afforded anything here.....he has to wait in line and file a waiver like the rest of us who are not already in the US. So I would be really interested in knowing why you think that my husbands rights as a US law abiding citizen should not be put above people who knowingly and willingly broke the law.

Char

[pax 0]

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/immigrati...hell-165810.php

Hee.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/immigrati...hell-165810.php

Hee.