Limbaugh: Dems Interested In Darfur Soley To Secure Black "Voting Bloc"

[GaryC 7]

I find what Moore says (Bush was behind 9/11) just as odious as you see Rush. There are other examples of racism from the left that are far more egregious as what Imus said that didn't even make a ripple. Take Jessie Jackson, Louis Farrakan and Al Sharpton. The things that they say are astounding and yet they are given a pass. All I am saying is there seems to be a blatant double standard today.

Moore saying Bush was behind 9/11 is outrageous (in the absence of the actual quote), but to my knowledge he's not out there making broad brush comments about feminism being a vehicle for unattractive women, referring to muslims as 'ragheads' who should not be allowed to fly in planes but "use flying carpets" instead.

Um, I listen to Rush all the time and I never heard him refer to Muslims as ragheads or to use flying carpets. The feminism comment was firmly tongue in cheek.

Yet a clear racist like Sharpton isn't called to task for his racism but indeed embraced by the dems.

* Senator Hillary Clinton (NY): “I have enjoyed a long and positive relationship with Reverend Al Sharpton and National Action Network, and I don’t ever remember saying “no” to them and I intend to remain their partner in civil rights as I clean the dirt from under the carpet in the oval office when I am elected President”

* Senator Barack Obama (Ill): “Reverend Sharpton is a voice for the voiceless, and a voice for the dispossessed. What National Action Network has done is so important to change America, and it must be changed from the bottom up.”

* Senator John Edwards: “I will work with National Action Network to fight poverty and seek justice for those marginalized in our society.”

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I should also add that 'community leaders' are not packaged mass media products.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I find what Moore says (Bush was behind 9/11) just as odious as you see Rush. There are other examples of racism from the left that are far more egregious as what Imus said that didn't even make a ripple. Take Jessie Jackson, Louis Farrakan and Al Sharpton. The things that they say are astounding and yet they are given a pass. All I am saying is there seems to be a blatant double standard today.

Moore saying Bush was behind 9/11 is outrageous (in the absence of the actual quote), but to my knowledge he's not out there making broad brush comments about feminism being a vehicle for unattractive women, referring to muslims as 'ragheads' who should not be allowed to fly in planes but "use flying carpets" instead.

Um, I listen to Rush all the time and I never heard him refer to Muslims as ragheads or to use flying carpets. The feminism comment was firmly tongue in cheek.

Yet a clear racist like Sharpton isn't called to task for his racism but indeed embraced by the dems.

* Senator Hillary Clinton (NY): “I have enjoyed a long and positive relationship with Reverend Al Sharpton and National Action Network, and I don’t ever remember saying “no” to them and I intend to remain their partner in civil rights as I clean the dirt from under the carpet in the oval office when I am elected President”

* Senator Barack Obama (Ill): “Reverend Sharpton is a voice for the voiceless, and a voice for the dispossessed. What National Action Network has done is so important to change America, and it must be changed from the bottom up.”

* Senator John Edwards: “I will work with National Action Network to fight poverty and seek justice for those marginalized in our society.”

The 'ragheads' comment was one of Coulter's.

Can I ask though - why do you keep presenting these sorts of criticisms as a "Reps Vs. Dems" thing?

Does Rush really 'represent' the average Republican in any meaningful way? At a guess - probably not...

If we're talking comparisons between mass media products - why are we not comparing like with like? Why bring in the comments of politicians and community leaders in answer to criticisms of a Radio 'shock-jock' and a newspaper columnist? Different animals IMO.

Is there a 'left' equivalent of the Rush Limbaugh show out there?

Edited August 24, 2007 by Number 6

[GaryC 7]

The 'ragheads' comment was one of Coulter's.

Ok, I don't listen to much what she says so I missed that.

Can I ask though - why do you keep presenting these sorts of criticisms as a "Reps Vs. Dems" thing?

Because there is a clear (to me at least) line between what Reps and Dems say and do. It has gotten very polarized.

Does Rush really 'represent' the average Republican in any meaningful way? At a guess - probably not...

More than you may think. While Rush takes things to an extreme for the entertainment or illustrative reasons in general he does espouse rep views.

If we're talking comparisons between mass media products - why are we not comparing like with like? Why bring in the comments of politicians and community leaders in answer to criticisms of a Radio 'shock-jock' and a newspaper columnist? Different animals IMO.

Is there a 'left' equivalent of the Rush Limbaugh show out there?

They have tried but failed. Rush has over 20 million listeners on an average week. No left leaning commentator comes close. But while you don't see to many reps bring Rush or Ann around to speak for them you do see the dems bring racists like Sharpton around to speak for them. It's much worse if you ask me.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The 'ragheads' comment was one of Coulter's.

Ok, I don't listen to much what she says so I missed that.

Can I ask though - why do you keep presenting these sorts of criticisms as a "Reps Vs. Dems" thing?

Because there is a clear (to me at least) line between what Reps and Dems say and do. It has gotten very polarized.

Does Rush really 'represent' the average Republican in any meaningful way? At a guess - probably not...

More than you may think. While Rush takes things to an extreme for the entertainment or illustrative reasons in general he does espouse rep views.

If we're talking comparisons between mass media products - why are we not comparing like with like? Why bring in the comments of politicians and community leaders in answer to criticisms of a Radio 'shock-jock' and a newspaper columnist? Different animals IMO.

Is there a 'left' equivalent of the Rush Limbaugh show out there?

They have tried but failed. Rush has over 20 million listeners on an average week. No left leaning commentator comes close. But while you don't see to many reps bring Rush or Ann around to speak for them you do see the dems bring racists like Sharpton around to speak for them. It's much worse if you ask me.

But again - I don't understand why this argument has to hinge on comparing apples with oranges (a radio commentator with Democrat politicians and black community leaders).

What does pointing out controversial comments that a radio personality has made on his show have to do with who the Democratic party choose to ally itself with? Regardless of what those guys have said - that doesn't seem like a very valid comparison.

After all Rush isn't the official mouthpiece of the republican party... however he might 'represent' aspects of their ideology. Take someone like Rosie O'Donnell who has been characterised as 'far left' for the whacked out comments she made about 9/11 and George Bush. I seem to remember that causing a lot of offense. And its not hard to see why.... Rosie, like Rush had a daily audience of millions who were exposed to that stuff. If we're talking visibility - most politicians can't compete with that volume of output.

What I'm wondering is whether or not you would consider Rosie O'Donnell's views to be as offensive as Rush Limbaugh's. If not, I'd say that's your double standard right there.

Edited August 24, 2007 by Number 6

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I find what Moore says (Bush was behind 9/11) just as odious as you see Rush. There are other examples of racism from the left that are far more egregious as what Imus said that didn't even make a ripple. Take Jessie Jackson, Louis Farrakan and Al Sharpton. The things that they say are astounding and yet they are given a pass. All I am saying is there seems to be a blatant double standard today.

Moore saying Bush was behind 9/11 is outrageous (in the absence of the actual quote), but to my knowledge he's not out there making broad brush comments about feminism being a vehicle for unattractive women, referring to muslims as 'ragheads' who should not be allowed to fly in planes but "use flying carpets" instead.

Really? Please post a transcript link. I doubt you listen to Rush. Do you?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I find what Moore says (Bush was behind 9/11) just as odious as you see Rush. There are other examples of racism from the left that are far more egregious as what Imus said that didn't even make a ripple. Take Jessie Jackson, Louis Farrakan and Al Sharpton. The things that they say are astounding and yet they are given a pass. All I am saying is there seems to be a blatant double standard today.

Moore saying Bush was behind 9/11 is outrageous (in the absence of the actual quote), but to my knowledge he's not out there making broad brush comments about feminism being a vehicle for unattractive women, referring to muslims as 'ragheads' who should not be allowed to fly in planes but "use flying carpets" instead.

Really? Please post a transcript link. I doubt you listen to Rush. Do you?

To what? Coulter's 'raghead' comments?

Try - here, here and here.

[GaryC 7]

The 'ragheads' comment was one of Coulter's.

Ok, I don't listen to much what she says so I missed that.

Can I ask though - why do you keep presenting these sorts of criticisms as a "Reps Vs. Dems" thing?

Because there is a clear (to me at least) line between what Reps and Dems say and do. It has gotten very polarized.

Does Rush really 'represent' the average Republican in any meaningful way? At a guess - probably not...

More than you may think. While Rush takes things to an extreme for the entertainment or illustrative reasons in general he does espouse rep views.

If we're talking comparisons between mass media products - why are we not comparing like with like? Why bring in the comments of politicians and community leaders in answer to criticisms of a Radio 'shock-jock' and a newspaper columnist? Different animals IMO.

Is there a 'left' equivalent of the Rush Limbaugh show out there?

They have tried but failed. Rush has over 20 million listeners on an average week. No left leaning commentator comes close. But while you don't see to many reps bring Rush or Ann around to speak for them you do see the dems bring racists like Sharpton around to speak for them. It's much worse if you ask me.

But again - I don't understand why this argument has to hinge on comparing apples with oranges (a radio commentator with Democrat politicians and black community leaders).

What does pointing out controversial comments that a radio personality has made on his show have to do with who the Democratic party choose to ally itself with? Regardless of what those guys have said - that doesn't seem like a very valid comparison.

After all Rush isn't the official mouthpiece of the republican party... however he might 'represent' aspects of their ideology. Take someone like Rosie O'Donnell who has been characterised as 'far left' for the whacked out comments she made about 9/11 and George Bush. I seem to remember that causing a lot of offense. And its not hard to see why.... Rosie, like Rush had a daily audience of millions who were exposed to that stuff. If we're talking visibility - most politicians can't compete with that volume of output.

What I'm wondering is whether or not you would consider Rosie O'Donnell's views to be as offensive as Rush Limbaugh's. If not, I'd say that's your double standard right there.

Offensive is a relative thing and depends on your point of view. Most of what Rush says may be OTT but since I am on the right I wouldn't find it offensive. Just as what Moore might say isn't offensive to someone on the left. Since the left has no equivalent to Rush then a comparison must be made elsewhere.

To me a politician aligning himself to a blatant racist like Sharpton is worse that anything that Rush or Rosie might do or say. It gives the people the idea that the racism is official policy. That is the double standard that I speak of. It seems to be OK for people that have the power to condone racism while at the same time condemn someone else that is just an entertainer to say something they don't like.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I find what Moore says (Bush was behind 9/11) just as odious as you see Rush. There are other examples of racism from the left that are far more egregious as what Imus said that didn't even make a ripple. Take Jessie Jackson, Louis Farrakan and Al Sharpton. The things that they say are astounding and yet they are given a pass. All I am saying is there seems to be a blatant double standard today.

Moore saying Bush was behind 9/11 is outrageous (in the absence of the actual quote), but to my knowledge he's not out there making broad brush comments about feminism being a vehicle for unattractive women, referring to muslims as 'ragheads' who should not be allowed to fly in planes but "use flying carpets" instead.

Really? Please post a transcript link. I doubt you listen to Rush. Do you?

To what? Coulter's 'raghead' comments?

Try - here, here and here.

wikipedia and broken links?

[Nagishkaw 510]

History is worthless without the truth.

[Caladan 19]

What worries me about Rush is not his commentary. He's mildly entertaining radio personality. It's that 20 million people take his commentary as true unreflectively and so much of what he says is just hate-spewing garbage that people take as true. Coulter's even worse but little conservative college boys get a hard-on for her in leather skirts for some reason.

And I suspect Gupt's colleague is right about Darfur. A genocide in Bosnia had the world sending in peacekeepers and lots of aid. 800,000 people dying in Rwanda and everyone looked the other way until it was over. And with Darfur the UN pussyfoots around redefining 'genocide' so they don't have to send in troops.

[thesnowman 1]

This whole topic has made he sick to the stomach. My wife is black and my son mixed. The other day I was with my brother in law in a predominantly rich white neighborhood getting gas. This older white man drove up, nearly hit the car and then got out and preceded to get out and start calling my brother in law a "f**king Nig**r, get your gas in the black neighborhood", he then lashed out at me for being white and a traitor, and then threatened to get his gun out. We then left quickly as this happened without provocation and for no apparent reason. The reason Al Sharpton and the like have a voice is because s**t like this happens. These older white people listen to Rush and Imus and think it is acceptable to talk like that, it really isn't. Michael Moore might make crazy statements against the president, but he is the president and he has to take the criticism as part of the job. Imus in particular attacked some black girls that hadn't done anything to him and had no voice to protest, that is where these civil right leader come in.

We should go into Dafur because there is genocide going on, it is the right thing to, and I have to believe that at least some politicians want to the right thing. When genocide was happening in Kosovo we were in there fast enough, then again that is a white country in the heart of Europe.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The 'ragheads' comment was one of Coulter's.

Ok, I don't listen to much what she says so I missed that.

Can I ask though - why do you keep presenting these sorts of criticisms as a "Reps Vs. Dems" thing?

Because there is a clear (to me at least) line between what Reps and Dems say and do. It has gotten very polarized.

Does Rush really 'represent' the average Republican in any meaningful way? At a guess - probably not...

More than you may think. While Rush takes things to an extreme for the entertainment or illustrative reasons in general he does espouse rep views.

If we're talking comparisons between mass media products - why are we not comparing like with like? Why bring in the comments of politicians and community leaders in answer to criticisms of a Radio 'shock-jock' and a newspaper columnist? Different animals IMO.

Is there a 'left' equivalent of the Rush Limbaugh show out there?

They have tried but failed. Rush has over 20 million listeners on an average week. No left leaning commentator comes close. But while you don't see to many reps bring Rush or Ann around to speak for them you do see the dems bring racists like Sharpton around to speak for them. It's much worse if you ask me.

But again - I don't understand why this argument has to hinge on comparing apples with oranges (a radio commentator with Democrat politicians and black community leaders).

What does pointing out controversial comments that a radio personality has made on his show have to do with who the Democratic party choose to ally itself with? Regardless of what those guys have said - that doesn't seem like a very valid comparison.

After all Rush isn't the official mouthpiece of the republican party... however he might 'represent' aspects of their ideology. Take someone like Rosie O'Donnell who has been characterised as 'far left' for the whacked out comments she made about 9/11 and George Bush. I seem to remember that causing a lot of offense. And its not hard to see why.... Rosie, like Rush had a daily audience of millions who were exposed to that stuff. If we're talking visibility - most politicians can't compete with that volume of output.

What I'm wondering is whether or not you would consider Rosie O'Donnell's views to be as offensive as Rush Limbaugh's. If not, I'd say that's your double standard right there.

Offensive is a relative thing and depends on your point of view. Most of what Rush says may be OTT but since I am on the right I wouldn't find it offensive. Just as what Moore might say isn't offensive to someone on the left. Since the left has no equivalent to Rush then a comparison must be made elsewhere.

To me a politician aligning himself to a blatant racist like Sharpton is worse that anything that Rush or Rosie might do or say. It gives the people the idea that the racism is official policy. That is the double standard that I speak of. It seems to be OK for people that have the power to condone racism while at the same time condemn someone else that is just an entertainer to say something they don't like.

I dunno - the wife's parents are Republican and they don't much like Rush or Coulter... At all actually.

As for Sharpton et al - well that's tricky. People who represent minorities have always had more leeway to make statements that would otherwise be considered extremely offensive if someone else made them. I don't think thats something that can be levelled strictly at 'liberals' - after all - noone so far has brought in criticisms of statements made by Republican Party affiliates - such as Pat Robertson, Rick Santorum and (the late) Jerry Falwell...

Still I'm not sure people need to be claiming ownership (or affiliation) with Limbaugh and Coulter to justify their statements. I suspect those people represent fewer people than they'd like to think - though that those kinds of commentaries are I think responsible for a general dumbing down of political discussion in this country. People could do with more actual 'commentary' and less over-emotional sensationalism.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I find what Moore says (Bush was behind 9/11) just as odious as you see Rush. There are other examples of racism from the left that are far more egregious as what Imus said that didn't even make a ripple. Take Jessie Jackson, Louis Farrakan and Al Sharpton. The things that they say are astounding and yet they are given a pass. All I am saying is there seems to be a blatant double standard today.

Moore saying Bush was behind 9/11 is outrageous (in the absence of the actual quote), but to my knowledge he's not out there making broad brush comments about feminism being a vehicle for unattractive women, referring to muslims as 'ragheads' who should not be allowed to fly in planes but "use flying carpets" instead.

Really? Please post a transcript link. I doubt you listen to Rush. Do you?

To what? Coulter's 'raghead' comments?

Try - here, here and here.

wikipedia and broken links?

Oh well my HTML isn't that hot - what can you do? Still I'm sure if you're really curious about those comments it wouldn't be that hard to find. I guess you're one of those "if a tree falls in the middle of the night and there's noone around to hear it, does it make a sound?" guys.

[SteveLaura 0]

"What if they start having one of these bipolar episodes with nuclear weapons? I think our motto should be, post-9/11, 'Raghead talks tough, raghead faces consequences.'"

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