fiance unaware of previous marriage

[jerseyboy483 0]

i think you have to understand that this is all just alittle too much to believe. And the easy one to get the info from is your fiance since she can get all the details from the aunt. but not many details do you or her seem to know. It all seems so foggy.

1. you fiancee was married but doesnt know it.

2. she came to the USA on a "RARELY given tourist visa. that alone puts her in the 1% top of all filipinos

3. her aunt somehow married her off while she was here and forged her name on the marriage certificate. no info is given on who attended or if you fiance was there. If that is the case, why did she leave? why didnt she adjust status and stay in the usa? If she went back was the guy doing K1? why would the guy marry her and then do nothing to get his wife to stay with him?

4. it doesnt show up on the Cenomar. is she married? is she single?

5. her "husband in the USA" grants her a divorce and pays for it though they have never really been married or together?

all this piled together says either you havent posted all the pertinent facts or your fiance isnt telling the complete story to you and is thus not being honest. And i can tell you for sure, the embassy will ask much harder questions then were asked here. i hope you have a very good attorney. ive seen many tell the filers that their girl will be in the usa in 2 months tops. Some of them give bad advice. i hope the one you have is on the mark and you get thru everything with no problems. No one here wishes you bad things. in fact most are concerned for you getting taken. maybe you could step back and look at it and then see why people here are seeing red flags everywhere.

Chris

You're right, i have not given all the facts and information about our situation, and im not about to get into every single little details and post it on the internet. We'd like to keep our lives private to an extent if that's ok w/ you guys:), and for me to just lay it all out here is just sharing too much w/ the world. I've given just the important facts and thought that was enough. I've done all my homework and covered all the bases in my situation. I appreciate everyone's help and concerns but i assure you guys everything will be fine and my girl will be w/ me in no time. I was just a little offended when someone just flat out called my fiance a liar, and you don't even know her. Then LonaD goes on to say, "they're just telling u the truth." Cmon now! I'm not an idiot, nor gullible, nor lonely or desperate. I don't have problems hooking up w/ girls from anywhere (don't mean to sound cocky or anything:) haha. But the fact that i choose to be w/ my fiance and go through all this trouble just to bring her to me, should hopefully tell you something, but maybe not. Like i said before, if you are THAT curious to know every single detail, just private message me. I know to some of u guys, this is just a soap opera and are just curious to know about every single detail. You guys can stop asking questions here, cuz u surely will not get anything from me. JUST PM ME! Again I appreciate all ur concerns. this site is wonderful!

[Kez/JWolf 6]

amesina40...

Know one is asking you to give every little detail about your life... you came to VJ and told us that your fiance has been married before but did not know about the marriage... and then she happily gets a divorce for the husband she does not know and is going to marry you.... you then asked us if we thought this was going to cause you any problems...

People are trying to help you but they have questions about the marriage... if you do not wish to post that info then why ask the question in the first place.... I fear you will have many problems getting a K1... this is going to raise very big red flags when she goes for her interview.... the fact that she claims to have no knowledge of the marriage but went on to get a divorce is the part that most interviewers are going to have issues with....

I wish you the best of luck.... I do fear you are going to need it.

Kez

[Lona.C. 16]

first of all I cant care less about your case since I dont know you nor your fiance

so nope i will not PM you for more information , you came for advice in open room so as I said before if you cant handle the advice you been given here , how will you be able to handle down right heartburning questions from an officer ?, ( but as you said you got it under controll , so good luck )

as to your statment "Then LonaD goes on to say, "they're just telling u the truth." Cmon now! I'm not an idiot, nor gullible, nor lonely or desperate. "

well I never calld you any names and wont start too ,

but if the shoe fits and you call your self those names ,its beond my controll , Lona

[Logres 0]

My fiance's auntie somehow married my fiance to another man from the states without her even knowing it back in 2004, around the time i first met my fiance. This was done for the aunt's personal reasons as no one in her whole circle of family knew about the marriage. We were getting ready to file for the K-1 visa a few months ago, but got lucky and found out about the false marriage. To make a long story short, the guy agreed to file for divorce, and that completed just a couple of weeks ago, so we can now start the visa process. I wanted to get the marriage annuled but that would've been a more lengthy and more costly process.

My question is will this pose as a problem when it comes time for the interview or when they are reviewing the paperwork. Because they will notice she got married in 2004, but my statement will say we met around that time and started our relationship. I'm thinking it's best we just come open w/ all this so we dont have to hide anything from them; we'll state on the papers what exactly happened and that my fiance never knew about the marriage. If we do this will anyone get in trouble?? We have the marriage certificates, and my fiance's signature is not really hers. What I really want is to get her here as soon as possible w/out any problems & w/out anyone getting in trouble. Any advice?

Thanks!

An incredible situation...... how did you find out about the false marriage?

[Sinergy 3]

Aright there seems to be much overreacting and am very offended some of you would say ###### about my fiance. i thought this site was to help people out, not offend.. It's true it's a very awkward situation but i've talked to some laywers and everything will be all right. I have everything i need to know and if anyone has any further questions just go ahead and private message me. i'd be glad if this topic would just be erased. i'm not gonna sit here and prove how true our relationship is and how much we wanna be together. i'd check some of your all's wives and fiances, before u start bashing mine.

If I had a dollar...

I went home lastnight and checked my hubby, hes seems ok to me. atleast he was alive and breathing oh and married to only me and concience enough to know about it

[Fandango 1,440]

OP, you need to open your eyes!

...or there's this bridge I wanna sell ya....

[okspider 0]

...or there's this bridge I wanna sell ya....

That made me chuckle! Funny stuff!

[jerseyboy483 0]

amesina40...

Know one is asking you to give every little detail about your life... you came to VJ and told us that your fiance has been married before but did not know about the marriage... and then she happily gets a divorce for the husband she does not know and is going to marry you.... you then asked us if we thought this was going to cause you any problems...

People are trying to help you but they have questions about the marriage... if you do not wish to post that info then why ask the question in the first place.... I fear you will have many problems getting a K1... this is going to raise very big red flags when she goes for her interview.... the fact that she claims to have no knowledge of the marriage but went on to get a divorce is the part that most interviewers are going to have issues with....

I wish you the best of luck.... I do fear you are going to need it.

Kez

Yes you are right on. I came here to ask a question, gave the necessary details, got the necessary advice which was to go see a lawyer. I went to go talk to a few lawyers and some people who do work in the embassy. They assured me we won't have a problem and to just be honest w/ the situation. I already said early on the situation was all good and gravy, but so many questions were still being asked when the situation was already handled. Like i said i'd rather not post publicly all the private details of this situation. I'm sure that is understandable. Again i appreciate everyone's advice and honesty, and LonaD i apologize if u were offended by my comments. God bless and good luck to you all...

[okspider 0]

i will always be the first person in line to jump on the "that persons a liar train". And yet I feel not ashamed. I found in my life I am very intuitive and have NEVER been wrong about a person. But amesina40 I am sorry for calling your fiance' a liar without knowing her or any disregard for your feelings. cause I would feel HIGHLY afronted if someone called my fiance' a liar and didn't know them. But the way you put out your facts eventhough you had stated that you didn't put ALL the fact for privacy reason. the way your portrayed your story was you didn't know why the aunt did what she did. Your fiance' didn't know why the aunt did what she did. And for all you guys cared her divorce was finalized and yay your hands are washed clean of the problem. So I sift through these morsals of details that you give. EACH more crazy and far fetched. I come to this conclusion of doing my own research on the web about how this could have happened. And still I personally (and I am no lawyer obviously) I can't see how it works. I just don't. I know stranger things have happened like finding out that my grandpa whom was a miner got caught in a cave in and they found that the cave in was not what killed him.. but in fact his peg leg had gone through his heart. I know I know where is his parrot right? But that is a strange story. But also a very true story. All I am saying is I am sorry for being mean cause I was pretty mean. But I have no filter. Ecspecially when it comes to stories that are TOO strange to be true. It just seemed to me like you situation was a a badly written story with lots and lots and LOTS of plot holes. Just because of your lack of knowledge of what was going on with your fiance'. I am just ####### and arrogant. yes I typed ####### and I do feel gross for it. I didn't mean to offend you and I am about to go into lands of backhanded apologies when I write. I am sorry for saying your fiance' was a liar and hurting your feelings... however despite the details missing and your talk with lawyers. I believe it about as much as I believe in goblins. Wait.. wait.. I do believe in goblins so .. as much as I believe in Unicorns... I love unicorns though

Edited August 24, 2007 by okspider

[okspider 0]

i will always be the first person in line to jump on the "that persons a liar train". And yet I feel not ashamed. I found in my life I am very intuitive and have NEVER been wrong about a person. But amesina40 I am sorry for calling your fiance' a liar without knowing her or any disregard for your feelings. cause I would feel HIGHLY afronted if someone called my fiance' a liar and didn't know them. But the way you put out your facts eventhough you had stated that you didn't put ALL the fact for privacy reason. the way your portrayed your story was you didn't know why the aunt did what she did. Your fiance' didn't know why the aunt did what she did. And for all you guys cared her divorce was finalized and yay your hands are washed clean of the problem. So I sift through these morsals of details that you give. EACH more crazy and far fetched. I come to this conclusion of doing my own research on the web about how this could have happened. And still I personally (and I am no lawyer obviously) I can't see how it works. I just don't. I know stranger things have happened like finding out that my grandpa whom was a miner got caught in a cave in and they found that the cave in was not what killed him.. but in fact his peg leg had gone through his heart. I know I know where is his parrot right? But that is a strange story. But also a very true story. All I am saying is I am sorry for being mean cause I was pretty mean. But I have no filter. Ecspecially when it comes to stories that are TOO strange to be true. It just seemed to me like you situation was a a badly written story with lots and lots and LOTS of plot holes. Just because of your lack of knowledge of what was going on with your fiance'. I am just ####### and arrogant. yes I typed ####### and I do feel gross for it. I didn't mean to offend you and I am about to go into lands of backhanded apologies when I write. I am sorry for saying your fiance' was a liar and hurting your feelings... however despite the details missing and your talk with lawyers. I believe it about as much as I believe in goblins. Wait.. wait.. I do believe in goblins so .. as much as I believe in Unicorns... I love unicorns though

No really I am sorry I am just being an a-hole. I have a poor sense of humor

[otherone32 0]

My fiance's auntie somehow married my fiance to another man from the states without her even knowing it back in 2004, around the time i first met my fiance. This was done for the aunt's personal reasons as no one in her whole circle of family knew about the marriage. We were getting ready to file for the K-1 visa a few months ago, but got lucky and found out about the false marriage. To make a long story short, the guy agreed to file for divorce, and that completed just a couple of weeks ago, so we can now start the visa process. I wanted to get the marriage annuled but that would've been a more lengthy and more costly process.

My question is will this pose as a problem when it comes time for the interview or when they are reviewing the paperwork. Because they will notice she got married in 2004, but my statement will say we met around that time and started our relationship. I'm thinking it's best we just come open w/ all this so we dont have to hide anything from them; we'll state on the papers what exactly happened and that my fiance never knew about the marriage. If we do this will anyone get in trouble?? We have the marriage certificates, and my fiance's signature is not really hers. What I really want is to get her here as soon as possible w/out any problems & w/out anyone getting in trouble. Any advice?

Thanks!

Your fiance auntie is not eligible or doesn't have authority to marry them or arrange the marriage.unless she forged your signature in the marriage contract, or put your name or other information on the marriage certificate.This would be a big mistake and can put her/you in jail.Ignorance of the law is no excuse!

On the other hand, your fiance might be making up stories to conceal her past mistake, maybe it was too difficult for her to explain her past marriage/...I dont know her personal reasons of doing this but it seems that the story is not appropriate to a true filipina woman. Assume whatever you want.

i dont want to break your heart but you have to think 1000 times.There is no way in the philippine law that a bride is not knowledgeable on her marriage.IN fact, for your information in every marriage there should be a signing of marriage certificate with the witnesses.Unless again, her aunt bribe anyone in there to get a false marriage contract(just a paper).If this is true then both of you guyz (the american first husband and you are victims of lying)....

Also Depends of what your fiance's situation, if she is a smart/have a degree then she might not be stupid to marry and not knowning it.! if she does'nt know that she was married before then what about the american first husband, i mean are they have communications both or just the aunt,cos there are many connecting stories in here, i dont know if this is true or not..

[Magnolia31 0]

Not trying to be arrogant but how on earth does a person not know they are getting married? And what on earth did her aunt have to gain by doing this?

My fiance's auntie somehow married my fiance to another man from the states without her even knowing it back in 2004, around the time i first met my fiance. This was done for the aunt's personal reasons as no one in her whole circle of family knew about the marriage. We were getting ready to file for the K-1 visa a few months ago, but got lucky and found out about the false marriage. To make a long story short, the guy agreed to file for divorce, and that completed just a couple of weeks ago, so we can now start the visa process. I wanted to get the marriage annuled but that would've been a more lengthy and more costly process.

My question is will this pose as a problem when it comes time for the interview or when they are reviewing the paperwork. Because they will notice she got married in 2004, but my statement will say we met around that time and started our relationship. I'm thinking it's best we just come open w/ all this so we dont have to hide anything from them; we'll state on the papers what exactly happened and that my fiance never knew about the marriage. If we do this will anyone get in trouble?? We have the marriage certificates, and my fiance's signature is not really hers. What I really want is to get her here as soon as possible w/out any problems & w/out anyone getting in trouble. Any advice?

Thanks!

[LovinLiberia 0]

LET ME GIVE YOU SOME BASIC TO THE POINT ADVICE.....IT WILL NOT BE A PROBLEM.....I DIDNT GET A DIVORCE FROM MY FIRST HUSBAND BECAUSE OF FINICIAL REASONS......MY DIVORCE DATE IS SHORTLY BEFORE I FILED FOR MY K1....NO PROBLEM....YOU DO NOT NEED A LAWYER , JUST TELL THE TRUTH AND ALL SHOULD BE FINE....I AM SPEAKING FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPIERENCE(ONLY).

GOOD LUCK !

That's horrible advice to the OP and it's not even the same situation. I, too, got divorced shortly before I filed my K-1, but the OP's fiance got "married" at the same time she started dating the OP. That will definately look suspicious to a CO. You need to read better before posting because you have a totally different situation. OP, I agree with the others and suggest you find a good lawyer.

Aright there seems to be much overreacting and am very offended some of you would say ###### about my fiance. i thought this site was to help people out, not offend.. It's true it's a very awkward situation but i've talked to some laywers and everything will be all right. I have everything i need to know and if anyone has any further questions just go ahead and private message me. i'd be glad if this topic would just be erased. i'm not gonna sit here and prove how true our relationship is and how much we wanna be together. i'd check some of your all's wives and fiances, before u start bashing mine.

To the OP, you surely got your panties in a bunch over this thread! Why would you ask advice in a public forum, only post half of the facts to a story that sounds fishy and straight up fraudulent, and then have the nerve to get mad and go off because we weren't sympathetic towards you. Honestly, you may know your story, but we can only answer you based on what you told us and it doesn't look good. How can anyone agree that the story sounds right and unsuspicious? If that is how the story goes, then I think you will have a hard time at the interview.

Even if you tell the "truth", it will still raise red flags to the CO. From YOUR details, you and your fiance sound way too relaxed about this whole thing. I definately wouldn't have signed the divorce papers, either, because that's basically admitting to getting married in the first place. I really hope the lawyers and "embassy people" you spoke with know what they are talking about because it seems like you will be in for a wild and messy ride. Hey, you said you have a handle on your fishy story so more power to you and best of luck to you and your fiance.

Edited August 24, 2007 by LovinLiberia

[radsr2002 0]

My fiance's auntie somehow married my fiance to another man from the states without her even knowing it back in 2004, around the time i first met my fiance. This was done for the aunt's personal reasons as no one in her whole circle of family knew about the marriage. We were getting ready to file for the K-1 visa a few months ago, but got lucky and found out about the false marriage. To make a long story short, the guy agreed to file for divorce, and that completed just a couple of weeks ago, so we can now start the visa process. I wanted to get the marriage annuled but that would've been a more lengthy and more costly process.

My question is will this pose as a problem when it comes time for the interview or when they are reviewing the paperwork. Because they will notice she got married in 2004, but my statement will say we met around that time and started our relationship. I'm thinking it's best we just come open w/ all this so we dont have to hide anything from them; we'll state on the papers what exactly happened and that my fiance never knew about the marriage. If we do this will anyone get in trouble?? We have the marriage certificates, and my fiance's signature is not really hers. What I really want is to get her here as soon as possible w/out any problems & w/out anyone getting in trouble. Any advice?

Thanks!

I would suggest you read this thread in detail!

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84417

[garya505 2]

My fiance's auntie somehow married my fiance to another man from the states without her even knowing it back in 2004, around the time i first met my fiance. This was done for the aunt's personal reasons as no one in her whole circle of family knew about the marriage. We were getting ready to file for the K-1 visa a few months ago, but got lucky and found out about the false marriage. To make a long story short, the guy agreed to file for divorce, and that completed just a couple of weeks ago, so we can now start the visa process. I wanted to get the marriage annuled but that would've been a more lengthy and more costly process.

My question is will this pose as a problem when it comes time for the interview or when they are reviewing the paperwork. Because they will notice she got married in 2004, but my statement will say we met around that time and started our relationship. I'm thinking it's best we just come open w/ all this so we dont have to hide anything from them; we'll state on the papers what exactly happened and that my fiance never knew about the marriage. If we do this will anyone get in trouble?? We have the marriage certificates, and my fiance's signature is not really hers. What I really want is to get her here as soon as possible w/out any problems & w/out anyone getting in trouble. Any advice?

Thanks!

I would suggest you read this thread in detail!

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84417

Are you suggesting that jonkam and amesina40 are one and the same?